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Old February 5th, 2007, 10:32 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-calorie
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Whatever you may think of me, PLEASE do not encourage Jenny's eating
disorder! If you truly are a psychologist then you understand this illness
better than any of us on these newsgroups, and you might just be the best
person to come along to help her. She binges, she starves herself. She has
posted pics of herself, and she is downright tiny! Please help her Caleb...


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Old February 5th, 2007, 11:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-calorie
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On Feb 5, 1:32 pm, "determined" wrote:
Whatever you may think of me, PLEASE do not encourage Jenny's eating
disorder! If you truly are a psychologist then you understand this illness
better than any of us on these newsgroups, and you might just be the best
person to come along to help her. She binges, she starves herself. She has
posted pics of herself, and she is downright tiny! Please help her Caleb...



Determined - You have read my responses to her. Therefore, you know I
am not encouraging an eating disorder.


Yours,

Caleb

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Old February 5th, 2007, 11:21 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-calorie
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"Caleb" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 1:32 pm, "determined" wrote:
Whatever you may think of me, PLEASE do not encourage Jenny's eating
disorder! If you truly are a psychologist then you understand this
illness
better than any of us on these newsgroups, and you might just be the best
person to come along to help her. She binges, she starves herself. She
has
posted pics of herself, and she is downright tiny! Please help her
Caleb...



Determined - You have read my responses to her. Therefore, you know I
am not encouraging an eating disorder.


Yours,

Caleb


I did read your response. But I also figured since you are an expert in
this area, you could offer her additional guidance. She's in trouble Caleb.


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Old February 5th, 2007, 11:34 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-calorie
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A BMI of 22.6 is well within the normal range. She is only 4' 11". BMI of
18 is supposed to be optimal for health.


"determined" wrote in message
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"Caleb" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 1:32 pm, "determined" wrote:
Whatever you may think of me, PLEASE do not encourage Jenny's eating
disorder! If you truly are a psychologist then you understand this
illness
better than any of us on these newsgroups, and you might just be the
best
person to come along to help her. She binges, she starves herself. She
has
posted pics of herself, and she is downright tiny! Please help her
Caleb...



Determined - You have read my responses to her. Therefore, you know I
am not encouraging an eating disorder.


Yours,

Caleb


I did read your response. But I also figured since you are an expert in
this area, you could offer her additional guidance. She's in trouble
Caleb.



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Old February 6th, 2007, 12:40 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-calorie
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On Feb 5, 5:34 pm, "Cubit" wrote:
A BMI of 22.6 is well within the normal range. She is only 4' 11". BMI of
18 is supposed to be optimal for health.


You're right Cubit, I could stand to lose a few pounds. I'm aiming for
a very healthy weight of 95 pounds (BMI 19.2). I think my plan is
good. I'm making sure I get my nutrients. I should exercise more. I'm
not going to purge. I haven't purged since Jan. 15. I think I'm
alright. My pdoc tells me not to lose weight, but she doesn't realize
that I can stand to lose a few pounds. I'm not going to be anorexic.
I'm aiming for a healthy weight. That should be OK.

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Old February 6th, 2007, 02:09 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-calorie
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On Feb 5, 3:40 pm, "Jenny" wrote:
On Feb 5, 5:34 pm, "Cubit" wrote:

A BMI of 22.6 is well within the normal range. She is only 4' 11". BMI of
18 is supposed to be optimal for health.


You're right Cubit, I could stand to lose a few pounds. I'm aiming for
a very healthy weight of 95 pounds (BMI 19.2). I think my plan is
good. I'm making sure I get my nutrients. I should exercise more. I'm
not going to purge. I haven't purged since Jan. 15. I think I'm
alright. My pdoc tells me not to lose weight, but she doesn't realize
that I can stand to lose a few pounds. I'm not going to be anorexic.
I'm aiming for a healthy weight. That should be OK.


Jenny -- You said that you would talk with you pdoc and I strongly,
strongly advise you to do so.

Something you should remember is that with a history of an eating
disorder you are at risk for future harm. It's somewhat like a
diabetic who has a strong taste for alcohol. That is, it can greatly
harm you. For me, if a drink a bit too much, I might have a hangover,
but some diabetics could go into a life-threatening shock and perhaps
a coma. Three months ago I learned (suddenly) that I had a bleeding
ulcer and that was because I was taking Advil. So for me, no more
advil without additional medication (Acifex) to protect my stomach.

You too have a condition, an eating disorder, and as I cannot have
Advil by itself (it's not as innocuous as it seems, at least not for
me), so too you shouldn't lower your calorie intake without advice
from the professionals following your case. In part it's the old
Aesop's fabile frog-in-the-pot effect. You probably remember the
fable, with a frog put into the pot and the pot then put on to the
fire, and the frog then boiled before it knows to jump out of the
boiling water. (On the other hand, had the frog been put into the
boiling water, maybe it would have jumped out immediately.) The point
of that story is that things oftentimes change so gradaully for us and
we are not aware of some of the important elements going on around us.

With the eating disorder you describe you are probably particularly
likely to emphasize some stimuli (perhaps non-existent fat - you'd be
ill at seeing my tummy, for example) and likely to de-emphasize other
stimuli (such as the potential harm you may well visit upon yourself
by returning to a course of action that has already proven harmful for
you).

As you are probalby aware I am very concerned about overweight people
being able to control their weight and reaching a better state of
health, but I tthink your losing more weight in an uncontrolled
fashion is likely to hurt you (especially given your eating disorder
problems). Once one has gone down certain paths to possible self-harm
it is far too easy to go down those paths again. If I were you, I'd
talk to your physician -- make that phonecall and contact her/him
again.

There is a huge world out there you should enjoy -- people to see,
things to do, places to see. But I would try to limit the time i spend
focusing on weight loss, if I were you. And I certainly would not
restrict calories unless I had a clean bill of health from my
physician. (And if my own doctor told me it was bad for me, I'd stop.
But she says, "Go for it!")

As you said yourself, your PDOC probably would be against further
weight loss for you. Could be that your physician is pretty damned
smart! I'd bet that is the case.

Yours,

Caleb

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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:31 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-calorie
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On Feb 5, 6:40 pm, "Jenny" wrote:
On Feb 5, 5:34 pm, "Cubit" wrote:

A BMI of 22.6 is well within the normal range. She is only 4' 11". BMI of
18 is supposed to be optimal for health.


You're right Cubit, I could stand to lose a few pounds. I'm aiming for
a very healthy weight of 95 pounds (BMI 19.2). I think my plan is
good. I'm making sure I get my nutrients. I should exercise more. I'm
not going to purge. I haven't purged since Jan. 15. I think I'm
alright. My pdoc tells me not to lose weight, but she doesn't realize
that I can stand to lose a few pounds. I'm not going to be anorexic.
I'm aiming for a healthy weight. That should be OK.


Hi Jenny,

I'm also a Jen, and I'm only 5' tall. I am currently at 117 and want
to lose a few more pounds to get down to my usual weight, which is
around your current weight - 110-112. For me, that is a healthy weight
that I know I can maintain, because I was at that weight for over a
decade, before gaining up to 125 (due to a med I was taking and
quitting smoking).

I just wanted to ask, have you ever weighed 95 lbs since you hit
adulthood? I ask because my 12 year old is 4'11" and she hasn't
weighed 95 lbs since around 6th grade, before she hit puberty. She is
about 110 and currently fits very nicely in children's size 14
clothes or in a size 0 women's.

So you might want to consider that if you did manage to get down to 95
lbs, you're going to have an awful terrible time finding fashionable
clothes that fit. You'll probably be stuck with children's size 12 and
10 - not very fashionable, if you ask me, and the quality is pretty
shoddy. You're already petite framed and if like me, resigned to
having few selections except for petite departments.... imagine if you
got down to 95 lbs and even the petites didn't fit, forcing you to
shop in the children's department??? Ugh! At that weight, you will
have no womanly hips to speak of, and also you'll lose any chest you
may have. It is highly likely that you will also stop menstruating.

If deep down your true desire is to crawl back into childhood again -
you really wouldn't mind looking like a child - then perhaps this is a
topic of further exploration for you and your pdoc?

jen

 




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