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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
On Apr 22, 1:16*pm, Billy wrote:
In article , *Doug Freyburger wrote: About 5 million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last couple of centuries. *Since it takes around 5 million years of steady diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't have any optimal diet. *But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year. I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less. Where does this 50K for herding come from? I'd also like to know where the 20 hrs/wk foraging for hunter gatherers came from. Most likely, it's pure speculation and totally unreliable, because obviously no one could know for sure. Or did they punch clocks back then? It's news to me. 10K ago is the usual number given for the beginning of agriculture. The industrial revolution started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white, wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last 50 years. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3l...Zinn_page.html |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
Billy wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: About 5 million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last couple of centuries. Since it takes around 5 million years of steady diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't have any optimal diet. But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year. I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less. I remember the same from my lower division undergraduate anthropolgy courses. It didn't account for the several hours walked per day. Much of that walking is the result of nomadic movements. The book NeanderThin by Ray Audette is one of several books on paleolithic dieting. In it he suggests an exercise program that mimics a hunter gatherer exercise program. Some days have long walks, others intense games all in a time frame long enough that the body does not settle into a routine. He suggests falconry as a good hobby, too. That sounds like fun/ Where does this 50K for herding come from? It's news to me. It's a wild extrapolation on my part based on estimates that dogs may have started their domestication process longer ago than that, on extinctions spanning anywhere from that long ago to more recent than the glacier retreats, on the degree of domestication suggested by the furs worn by "Otsi the iceman". It's not hard to find suggestions that animal husbandry is a lot older than plant argiculture so I got very aggressive in a guees. 10K ago is the usual number given for the beginning of agriculture. But it might have been as far back as 20K in a few regions of the world. And animal husbandry is an unknown amount older. The industrial revolution started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white, wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last 50 years. It's the evolutionary source for a claim that certain of the highest sugar fruits aren't beneficial in this thread. |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote: Billy wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: About 5 million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last couple of centuries. Since it takes around 5 million years of steady diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't have any optimal diet. But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year. I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less. I remember the same from my lower division undergraduate anthropolgy courses. It didn't account for the several hours walked per day. Much of that walking is the result of nomadic movements. The book NeanderThin by Ray Audette is one of several books on paleolithic dieting. In it he suggests an exercise program that mimics a hunter gatherer exercise program. Some days have long walks, others intense games all in a time frame long enough that the body does not settle into a routine. He suggests falconry as a good hobby, too. That sounds like fun/ Where does this 50K for herding come from? It's news to me. It's a wild extrapolation on my part based on estimates that dogs may have started their domestication process longer ago than that, on extinctions spanning anywhere from that long ago to more recent than the glacier retreats, on the degree of domestication suggested by the furs worn by "Otsi the iceman". It's not hard to find suggestions that animal husbandry is a lot older than plant argiculture so I got very aggressive in a guees. 10K ago is the usual number given for the beginning of agriculture. But it might have been as far back as 20K in a few regions of the world. And animal husbandry is an unknown amount older. I don't think so. Mesopotamia, site of the civilizations of Akkad, Sumer, Babylonia, and Assyria, is our first positive example of a societies based on agriculture (Fertile Crescent and all that). The industrial revolution started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white, wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last 50 years. It's the evolutionary source for a claim that certain of the highest sugar fruits aren't beneficial in this thread. High carb foods were seasonal though, not like high carb "snacks" which are always present. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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"Fruits are great for you!". Really?
In article
, Billy wrote: In article , Doug Freyburger wrote: Billy wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: About 5 million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last couple of centuries. Since it takes around 5 million years of steady diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't have any optimal diet. But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year. I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less. I remember the same from my lower division undergraduate anthropolgy courses. It didn't account for the several hours walked per day. Much of that walking is the result of nomadic movements. The book NeanderThin by Ray Audette is one of several books on paleolithic dieting. In it he suggests an exercise program that mimics a hunter gatherer exercise program. Some days have long walks, others intense games all in a time frame long enough that the body does not settle into a routine. He suggests falconry as a good hobby, too. That sounds like fun/ Where does this 50K for herding come from? It's news to me. It's a wild extrapolation on my part based on estimates that dogs may have started their domestication process longer ago than that, on extinctions spanning anywhere from that long ago to more recent than the glacier retreats, on the degree of domestication suggested by the furs worn by "Otsi the iceman". It's not hard to find suggestions that animal husbandry is a lot older than plant argiculture so I got very aggressive in a guees. 10K ago is the usual number given for the beginning of agriculture. But it might have been as far back as 20K in a few regions of the world. And animal husbandry is an unknown amount older. I don't think so. Mesopotamia, site of the civilizations of Akkad, Sumer, Babylonia, and Assyria, is our first positive example of a societies based on agriculture (Fertile Crescent and all that). The industrial revolution started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white, wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last 50 years. It's the evolutionary source for a claim that certain of the highest sugar fruits aren't beneficial in this thread. High carb foods were seasonal though, not like high carb "snacks" which are always present. If there is wisdom in eating by the season then so simple a option may be of import. Take stuff with labels out and soft drinks and our margin of error that hurts bnot only T's may be reduced as well. Easy to say but necessary to regain health. My guess is try to eat what you can grow or someone 1000 miles a way and then try to find tune it via local production. Oh but my Manchengo is from Spain....But it special and a rare treat . Sounds like this is a wreck gardens issue but they are connected. -- Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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Hey....
I think fruit are realy very good for health... Fruit have fibers which are good enough for health and pretty effective for lose weight |
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Fruits are really great for everyone and if you take it as a diet then it is the best thing to eat. Because fruits are the best thing to eat and it has many things in it. And i like to eat it and my favorite fruit is orange, banana and apple.
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Fruits are excellent.. especially those which have anti-oxidants...
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There would be another reason for this problem..
fruits does not work as insulin for body... Banana contains much sugar in it .. personal trainer orange county Last edited by Hadwin : April 16th, 2011 at 10:16 AM. |
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you can make it at home and add to it your diet sugar. it is an easy drink : your preferred fruit + ice + your suger |
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