A Weightloss and diet forum. WeightLossBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » WeightLossBanter forum » alt.support.diet newsgroups » General Discussion
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Bread Question



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old September 22nd, 2003, 02:02 PM
jmk
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Bread Question

On 9/19/2003 11:44 AM, Jacob Andersen wrote:
"jmk" skrev i en meddelelse

Try an up to date nutrition textbook or the USDA database and check the
Aa profile of those foods. This is a 10+ year out of date concept.


Please provide your sources.



He did. "the USDA database"

/Jacob


The USDA food database just says if the item contains protein or not.
The question was: "Does grain contain complete protein?" I said that I
did not think that grain provided a complete protein (especially when
you consider any single grain) and I provided a factual basis for my
opinion. In fact, I could find no source that stated that grains
provide a complete protein -- including vegetarian advocates.

"The only problem is that vegetable sources of protein, with the
exception of soybeans, are not complete proteins, so you need to eat
more than one in order to get the complete protein."
- http://veggietable.allinfo-about.com...s/protein.html (please
note that soybeans are not a grain)

"Plant-based proteins are usually incomplete, that is, they're abundant
in some amino acids and lack others." -
http://www.vegkitchen.com/protein.html

"vegetable sources of protein do not contain all the essential amino
acids" - http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1...87-673,00.html

I am not opposed to grains by any means and I think that it is certainly
possible to have a complete and well-balanced diet without consuming
foods from animal sources.



  #12  
Old September 22nd, 2003, 02:20 PM
jmk
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Bread Question



On 9/18/2003 6:51 PM, Ellis wrote:
"David Cohen" wrote in message
ink.net...

snip stuff

177 is a virtually perfect total cholesterol. Correlated with longest
life span. 128 is way too low, correlated with earlier death,
particularly from vascular weakness.



David, does the ratio HDL:LDL come into this? I mean is it possible to have
a more or less healthy figure of 177 or whatever?

Ellis


Perhaps you are thinking of CRP? Dr. Paul Ridker of Brigham & Women's
Hospital in Boston recently published a study on C-reactive protein
(CRP) as a marker for heart disease risk.

  #13  
Old September 22nd, 2003, 03:55 PM
SJ
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Bread Question

ignorcrew wrote:

Lyle McDonald wrote in message ...

Lyle McDonald wrote:

ignorcrew wrote:

Lyle McDonald wrote in message news:




Yeah, 48 whole calories of fat. 5 grams.
Does the concept of percentage vs. absolutes mean anything to you, moron?

Percentage matters. Whoever eats foods that are essentially 50% fat
are not on the road to a great diet. 140 lb female, for example, on
1400 kcal a day diet, may not have the 5 grams of fat to spend on a
piece of tortilla if she is trying to limit her fat to 20-30% of total
calories.

Get it, moron?

Lemme make sure I have this straight:

A diet that is 30% fat but contains, say 200 grams of fat (6000
calories/1800 cal from fat) is healther than one that contains 50% fat
but only 100 grams of fat (1800 cal/900 cal from fat)?


What if I'm eating a diet that is 50 grams of fat and nothing else?
That's a 100% fat diet.
But it's still only 50 grams.

is that unhealhier than either of the exmaples above,. both of which
contain more fat on an absolute scale but a lower percentage?

Would it be healthier if I added enough table sugar to my 50 grams of
fat to bring the percentage below 30%?

Is any of this sinking in or are you just determined to be a ****wit?

Lyle



You took whatever I said out of context. It's presicely because people
who consume good diet must eat some foods that are much higher in fat
than others, like oil on your salad, fat in your meat, nuts,fatty
fish, etc, is why a small person on a good low cal diet may not be
able to affort bread which is 50% fat.


Ahh, so it makes sense to consume foods that are 100% fat, but not 50%fat?

When I try to stick to my 1500 kcal a day diet while eating some low
fat meats, low fat milk products, some fish, and maybe some oil on a
salad, I get plenty of fat (about 30% of total calories, or 50 grams)
while not eating anything like a 50% fat tortilas.


Why would 5 more grams of fat make a difference if you still ate the
same number of total calories?

This might be
personal preference, of course, but I would not actually be able to
work that tortila in while still maintaining a good diet.


It's 100 calories. If you really wanted it and couldn't find a way to
work it in, then you have a serious problem.

When consuming a low amount of calories (in an absolute, not relative
sense) some foods just don't have a place in your diet.


Nope, any food you want can have a place in your diet somewhere. You can
eat it in small quantities and/or infrequently, but if you really want
it you can work it in somehow.

If you start
working these foods in you will be missing something essential that
should be your diet.


And what would that be? 1500 calories leaves you plenty of room to work
in all the protein and EFA's you need, with several hundred calories to
spare.


I hope I made myself clear.


Yes, you've made it very clear that you're a moron.

  #14  
Old September 22nd, 2003, 09:39 PM
Randy Shrader
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Bread Question


"Ignoramus23507" wrote in message
...
The idea that "you cannot afford to eat fat while losing weight" is
pure unadulterated bull****.

I lost 46 lbs and I eat butter almost every day. Also walnuts, which
are 70% fat.

i


The last time I was dieting, I had to spend the last month at 1200 kcal/day
to keep the fat coming off. Getting 150g protein a day while staying under
1200 kcal means that high-fat foods really aren't an option. Especially if
I want to have some carbs in there somewhere.

Randy






---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003


  #15  
Old September 22nd, 2003, 10:17 PM
Lyle McDonald
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Bread Question

Randy Shrader wrote:

"Ignoramus23507" wrote in message
...
The idea that "you cannot afford to eat fat while losing weight" is
pure unadulterated bull****.

I lost 46 lbs and I eat butter almost every day. Also walnuts, which
are 70% fat.

i


The last time I was dieting, I had to spend the last month at 1200 kcal/day
to keep the fat coming off. Getting 150g protein a day while staying under
1200 kcal means that high-fat foods really aren't an option. Especially if
I want to have some carbs in there somewhere.


Fine, but tangential. More an issue of low calories than anything else.

Lyle
  #16  
Old September 23rd, 2003, 12:21 AM
Owen Lowe
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Bread Question

In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:

Saturated fat (found predominantly in
animal source fats) reliably and negatively impacts on cholesterol
levels. There are numerous mechanism for it to do so.


Lyle - do you know of any research on the amounts of the various
lipoproteins in animal products (like beef, eggs, milk, etc.)? And... If
an item has a high ratio of HDL to LDL or VLDL, then what impact may
ingesting that have on the human blood serum levels vs. a high LDL to
HDL item?

More simply put, has anyone done a cholesterol breakdown of common foods
and then monitored how those consumed foods affect a study group?
  #17  
Old September 23rd, 2003, 12:26 AM
Lyle McDonald
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Bread Question

Owen Lowe wrote:

In article ,
Lyle McDonald wrote:

Saturated fat (found predominantly in
animal source fats) reliably and negatively impacts on cholesterol
levels. There are numerous mechanism for it to do so.


Lyle - do you know of any research on the amounts of the various
lipoproteins in animal products (like beef, eggs, milk, etc.)? And... If
an item has a high ratio of HDL to LDL or VLDL, then what impact may
ingesting that have on the human blood serum levels vs. a high LDL to
HDL item?

More simply put, has anyone done a cholesterol breakdown of common foods
and then monitored how those consumed foods affect a study group?


Not that I'm aware of but I don't honestly pay that much attention to
this type of stuff. I do very tangentially in that health is still
important for body recomp but if it doesn't affect fat loss or muscle
gain or whatever directly, I don't keep as current or read up on it as I
probalby should.

In general, dietary cholesterol tends to have a minimal impact on blood
cholesterol levels. Some folks are sensitive but they are in the
minority. So I think it's really a non-issue. The types of fat,
saturated vs. mono vs. poly has a much larger impact than dietary
cholesterol ever would.

Lyle
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 WeightLossBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.