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21 days and eighteen (18) pounds lost ! WWWHHHOOOOSSHH!!!!!
Sorry if this is long, but I'm excited about this news and want to shout it!
I had gotten a bit lax with my carbs in the past year or so and gained back a few pounds. But when my doctor diagnosed me three weeks ago with T2 diabetes, it was like getting hit with a two by four upside the head. She told me I had to lose weight (no kidding), and she actually recommended a low-carb diet. We set up an another appointment for one month later. Since I was both going on vacation AND with the Christmas Holiday coming up , she recommended that I just try to maintain my weight for now -- no fast food or sugar --until my next visit to determine where to go from there. Well, I went back to the Dr. today, a week early, because I have a strep throat. When I got on the scales she couldn't believe it (neither could I)! 18 pounds lost and documented in 21 days. And 8 pounds of the loss was over a two-week Holiday trip to visit relatives in New England with lots of food available with all the trimmings. This is how I did it: Because I've been basically a low-carber for about 4 years now, this time I knew exactly what I could and could not eat. I decided to break the mold and, for my health's sake, *temporarily* cut both carbs *and* watch calories. I didn't mess with keostix this time (don't need the reinforcement), and was only weighed twice in the 3 weeks. I don't recommend this for everyone or for long-term, but it sure worked in the short term for me. This is what I ate: Week 1: Very, very strict Atkins induction-type low carb. For breakfast: just a handful or two of supplements (including a range of B vitamins, time-release Niacin, Folic acid, antioxidant vitamins, grape seed extract, garlic, flax oil, CoQ10, and more), flushed down with three large glasses of water. For lunch each day I ate 2 oz. of cheddar or muenster cheese and 10 small olives. (I had bought macadamias for snacks, but didn't get hungry so didn't eat them). Dinner each night was a modest portion of meat with freshly cooked cauliflower, brocholli or spinach, and a medium salad drizzled with a bit of olive oil. I Drank lots of water; eliminated all sodium, and completely cut out all other beverages for this week. I weighed myself after the first week and had lost 10 pounds, much of it water weight I'm sure. I had no cravings or hunger whatsoever. Week 2: (Start of 2-week vacation). This was a challenge. Traveling with my cousin, our first meal stop was on the NJ Turnpike. Try low-carbing at one of *those* hyper-priced slop-pits! I ended up ordering a double cheeseburger, plain, and threw away the bread. Drank water. Back in the car I ate a few macadamias. I followed this with another bottle of water. (lots of pit stops!) The rest of this week was easier. We stayed in a hotel for the week in West Springfield, MA, and except for Christmas day ate our meals out. Picking out lc foods on restaurant menus is second nature to me by now and I find it remarkably easy just about anywhere. Those of you in the NorthEast U.S. know "Friendly's;" restaurant; there was one across from our hotel. They have a wonderful variety of filling salads (with chicken, for instance), and the best burgers anywhere ... which they are happy to accommodate by leaving the bread off and putting lettuce tomato and cole slaw on the side. Again, I just drank water and really didn't give into the temptation of Friendly's awesome sundaes! On Christmas day at my Niece's house, with a typical spread, I didn't deny myself. Instead, I took a reasonably small portion of everything, ate that plate of food, and did not go back for more. I went and played with the kids while the other adults were still eating and passing around the pies and coffee. Week 3: Returned home to Gastonia, NC for my 2nd weekend of vacation with lots of projects planned around the house. First day there I started to get sick (earache, fever) so I wet out and bought several cans of chicken soup. Rather than go on forever here, that is what I lived on for the rest of the week. Chicken soup. (Chunky style, low sodium). I was so sick that at first I didn't care that there was rice or noodles in the soup. After I read the labels, I really didn't care because 1 medium-large can of Healty Choice chunky chicken with rice, low-sodium, has only 12g of carbs -- and 90 calories -- per serving, two servings per can. I literally ate a can of this soup for lunch and dinner every day for the next 6 days. I did not get in the least bit hungry. Yesterday, (Sunday) still feeling under the weather, I made the 300-mile drive back to Emporia VA where I work (and live most of each month) managing a hotel. More soup last night, augmented with some cheddar cheese and a few olives. So this morning when I went to the Doctor to get my throat and ear checked out (I've now added Amoxicillin to my supplements list) , I climbed on her scale and .. *eighteen* pounds dropped. No wonder I have to keep hiking my pants up! Now I'm back on my regular low-carb, ongoing weight loss meals, but decided to continue to go lighter on calories than in the past -- for a while anyway. As long as I can keep losing, knowing I'm in most likely in ketosis and my blood sugar is stabilizing, I'll keep it up. Sorry about the book I just wrote; if it's helpful or inspirational to even one person, it was worth it. -- -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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21 days and eighteen (18) pounds lost ! WWWHHHOOOOSSHH!!!!!
marengo wrote in message
s.com Sorry if this is long, but I'm excited about this news and want to shout it! That is great news Peter. I'm so glad for you. -- revek Give me ambivalence ... or give me something else. -- [unknown] |
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21 days and eighteen (18) pounds lost ! WWWHHHOOOOSSHH!!!!!
You mean you ate less and it worked?
Shocker! -- JC Eat less, exercise more. -- marengo wrote in message s.com... Sorry if this is long, but I'm excited about this news and want to shout it! I had gotten a bit lax with my carbs in the past year or so and gained back a few pounds. But when my doctor diagnosed me three weeks ago with T2 diabetes, it was like getting hit with a two by four upside the head. She told me I had to lose weight (no kidding), and she actually recommended a low-carb diet. We set up an another appointment for one month later. Since I was both going on vacation AND with the Christmas Holiday coming up , she recommended that I just try to maintain my weight for now -- no fast food or sugar --until my next visit to determine where to go from there. Well, I went back to the Dr. today, a week early, because I have a strep throat. When I got on the scales she couldn't believe it (neither could I)! 18 pounds lost and documented in 21 days. And 8 pounds of the loss was over a two-week Holiday trip to visit relatives in New England with lots of food available with all the trimmings. This is how I did it: Because I've been basically a low-carber for about 4 years now, this time I knew exactly what I could and could not eat. I decided to break the mold and, for my health's sake, *temporarily* cut both carbs *and* watch calories. I didn't mess with keostix this time (don't need the reinforcement), and was only weighed twice in the 3 weeks. I don't recommend this for everyone or for long-term, but it sure worked in the short term for me. This is what I ate: Week 1: Very, very strict Atkins induction-type low carb. For breakfast: just a handful or two of supplements (including a range of B vitamins, time-release Niacin, Folic acid, antioxidant vitamins, grape seed extract, garlic, flax oil, CoQ10, and more), flushed down with three large glasses of water. For lunch each day I ate 2 oz. of cheddar or muenster cheese and 10 small olives. (I had bought macadamias for snacks, but didn't get hungry so didn't eat them). Dinner each night was a modest portion of meat with freshly cooked cauliflower, brocholli or spinach, and a medium salad drizzled with a bit of olive oil. I Drank lots of water; eliminated all sodium, and completely cut out all other beverages for this week. I weighed myself after the first week and had lost 10 pounds, much of it water weight I'm sure. I had no cravings or hunger whatsoever. Week 2: (Start of 2-week vacation). This was a challenge. Traveling with my cousin, our first meal stop was on the NJ Turnpike. Try low-carbing at one of *those* hyper-priced slop-pits! I ended up ordering a double cheeseburger, plain, and threw away the bread. Drank water. Back in the car I ate a few macadamias. I followed this with another bottle of water. (lots of pit stops!) The rest of this week was easier. We stayed in a hotel for the week in West Springfield, MA, and except for Christmas day ate our meals out. Picking out lc foods on restaurant menus is second nature to me by now and I find it remarkably easy just about anywhere. Those of you in the NorthEast U.S. know "Friendly's;" restaurant; there was one across from our hotel. They have a wonderful variety of filling salads (with chicken, for instance), and the best burgers anywhere ... which they are happy to accommodate by leaving the bread off and putting lettuce tomato and cole slaw on the side. Again, I just drank water and really didn't give into the temptation of Friendly's awesome sundaes! On Christmas day at my Niece's house, with a typical spread, I didn't deny myself. Instead, I took a reasonably small portion of everything, ate that plate of food, and did not go back for more. I went and played with the kids while the other adults were still eating and passing around the pies and coffee. Week 3: Returned home to Gastonia, NC for my 2nd weekend of vacation with lots of projects planned around the house. First day there I started to get sick (earache, fever) so I wet out and bought several cans of chicken soup. Rather than go on forever here, that is what I lived on for the rest of the week. Chicken soup. (Chunky style, low sodium). I was so sick that at first I didn't care that there was rice or noodles in the soup. After I read the labels, I really didn't care because 1 medium-large can of Healty Choice chunky chicken with rice, low-sodium, has only 12g of carbs -- and 90 calories -- per serving, two servings per can. I literally ate a can of this soup for lunch and dinner every day for the next 6 days. I did not get in the least bit hungry. Yesterday, (Sunday) still feeling under the weather, I made the 300-mile drive back to Emporia VA where I work (and live most of each month) managing a hotel. More soup last night, augmented with some cheddar cheese and a few olives. So this morning when I went to the Doctor to get my throat and ear checked out (I've now added Amoxicillin to my supplements list) , I climbed on her scale and .. *eighteen* pounds dropped. No wonder I have to keep hiking my pants up! Now I'm back on my regular low-carb, ongoing weight loss meals, but decided to continue to go lighter on calories than in the past -- for a while anyway. As long as I can keep losing, knowing I'm in most likely in ketosis and my blood sugar is stabilizing, I'll keep it up. Sorry about the book I just wrote; if it's helpful or inspirational to even one person, it was worth it. -- -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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21 days and eighteen (18) pounds lost ! WWWHHHOOOOSSHH!!!!!
congradulations on ur loss peter. keep up the great work. you must be proud
of your self i shared with everyone when i lost my 30lbs on weight watchers. keep working at it angie ps hope you feel better soon marengo wrote in message s.com... Sorry if this is long, but I'm excited about this news and want to shout it! I had gotten a bit lax with my carbs in the past year or so and gained back a few pounds. But when my doctor diagnosed me three weeks ago with T2 diabetes, it was like getting hit with a two by four upside the head. She told me I had to lose weight (no kidding), and she actually recommended a low-carb diet. We set up an another appointment for one month later. Since I was both going on vacation AND with the Christmas Holiday coming up , she recommended that I just try to maintain my weight for now -- no fast food or sugar --until my next visit to determine where to go from there. Well, I went back to the Dr. today, a week early, because I have a strep throat. When I got on the scales she couldn't believe it (neither could I)! 18 pounds lost and documented in 21 days. And 8 pounds of the loss was over a two-week Holiday trip to visit relatives in New England with lots of food available with all the trimmings. This is how I did it: Because I've been basically a low-carber for about 4 years now, this time I knew exactly what I could and could not eat. I decided to break the mold and, for my health's sake, *temporarily* cut both carbs *and* watch calories. I didn't mess with keostix this time (don't need the reinforcement), and was only weighed twice in the 3 weeks. I don't recommend this for everyone or for long-term, but it sure worked in the short term for me. This is what I ate: Week 1: Very, very strict Atkins induction-type low carb. For breakfast: just a handful or two of supplements (including a range of B vitamins, time-release Niacin, Folic acid, antioxidant vitamins, grape seed extract, garlic, flax oil, CoQ10, and more), flushed down with three large glasses of water. For lunch each day I ate 2 oz. of cheddar or muenster cheese and 10 small olives. (I had bought macadamias for snacks, but didn't get hungry so didn't eat them). Dinner each night was a modest portion of meat with freshly cooked cauliflower, brocholli or spinach, and a medium salad drizzled with a bit of olive oil. I Drank lots of water; eliminated all sodium, and completely cut out all other beverages for this week. I weighed myself after the first week and had lost 10 pounds, much of it water weight I'm sure. I had no cravings or hunger whatsoever. Week 2: (Start of 2-week vacation). This was a challenge. Traveling with my cousin, our first meal stop was on the NJ Turnpike. Try low-carbing at one of *those* hyper-priced slop-pits! I ended up ordering a double cheeseburger, plain, and threw away the bread. Drank water. Back in the car I ate a few macadamias. I followed this with another bottle of water. (lots of pit stops!) The rest of this week was easier. We stayed in a hotel for the week in West Springfield, MA, and except for Christmas day ate our meals out. Picking out lc foods on restaurant menus is second nature to me by now and I find it remarkably easy just about anywhere. Those of you in the NorthEast U.S. know "Friendly's;" restaurant; there was one across from our hotel. They have a wonderful variety of filling salads (with chicken, for instance), and the best burgers anywhere ... which they are happy to accommodate by leaving the bread off and putting lettuce tomato and cole slaw on the side. Again, I just drank water and really didn't give into the temptation of Friendly's awesome sundaes! On Christmas day at my Niece's house, with a typical spread, I didn't deny myself. Instead, I took a reasonably small portion of everything, ate that plate of food, and did not go back for more. I went and played with the kids while the other adults were still eating and passing around the pies and coffee. Week 3: Returned home to Gastonia, NC for my 2nd weekend of vacation with lots of projects planned around the house. First day there I started to get sick (earache, fever) so I wet out and bought several cans of chicken soup. Rather than go on forever here, that is what I lived on for the rest of the week. Chicken soup. (Chunky style, low sodium). I was so sick that at first I didn't care that there was rice or noodles in the soup. After I read the labels, I really didn't care because 1 medium-large can of Healty Choice chunky chicken with rice, low-sodium, has only 12g of carbs -- and 90 calories -- per serving, two servings per can. I literally ate a can of this soup for lunch and dinner every day for the next 6 days. I did not get in the least bit hungry. Yesterday, (Sunday) still feeling under the weather, I made the 300-mile drive back to Emporia VA where I work (and live most of each month) managing a hotel. More soup last night, augmented with some cheddar cheese and a few olives. So this morning when I went to the Doctor to get my throat and ear checked out (I've now added Amoxicillin to my supplements list) , I climbed on her scale and .. *eighteen* pounds dropped. No wonder I have to keep hiking my pants up! Now I'm back on my regular low-carb, ongoing weight loss meals, but decided to continue to go lighter on calories than in the past -- for a while anyway. As long as I can keep losing, knowing I'm in most likely in ketosis and my blood sugar is stabilizing, I'll keep it up. Sorry about the book I just wrote; if it's helpful or inspirational to even one person, it was worth it. -- -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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marengo wrote in message ws.com...
Really great job, but... Week 1: Very, very strict Atkins induction-type low carb. For breakfast: just a handful or two of supplements (including a range of B vitamins, time-release Niacin, Folic acid, antioxidant vitamins, grape seed extract, garlic, flax oil, CoQ10, and more), flushed down with three large glasses of water. ....is this really what's recommended by Atkins as a good breakfast? I've never read the Atkins book (I'm doing another LC diet), but if this is what's recommended, I don't have any interest in reading it either. The water consumption is great, but how about some fuel to get you cranking through your day? Lee |
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Marengo,
Congrats on the impressive weight loss! Was your appointment with the doctor where she told you that you were diabetic in the morning? The reason I ask is that for many people with diabetes the blood sugar will be at its highest in the morning and not eating breakfast allows it to climb even higher. As much as you might not feel like eating first thing in the morning, eating breakfast will suppress the dumping of glucose by the liver that otherwise occurs. Google alt.support.diabetes on the search terms "dawn effect" to learn more about how this works. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm marengo wrote in message s.com... Sorry if this is long, but I'm excited about this news and want to shout it! I had gotten a bit lax with my carbs in the past year or so and gained back a few pounds. But when my doctor diagnosed me three weeks ago with T2 diabetes, it was like getting hit with a two by four upside the head. She told me I had to lose weight (no kidding), and she actually recommended a low-carb diet. We set up an another appointment for one month later. Since I was both going on vacation AND with the Christmas Holiday coming up , she recommended that I just try to maintain my weight for now -- no fast food or sugar --until my next visit to determine where to go from there. Well, I went back to the Dr. today, a week early, because I have a strep throat. When I got on the scales she couldn't believe it (neither could I)! 18 pounds lost and documented in 21 days. And 8 pounds of the loss was over a two-week Holiday trip to visit relatives in New England with lots of food available with all the trimmings. This is how I did it: Because I've been basically a low-carber for about 4 years now, this time I knew exactly what I could and could not eat. I decided to break the mold and, for my health's sake, *temporarily* cut both carbs *and* watch calories. I didn't mess with keostix this time (don't need the reinforcement), and was only weighed twice in the 3 weeks. I don't recommend this for everyone or for long-term, but it sure worked in the short term for me. This is what I ate: Week 1: Very, very strict Atkins induction-type low carb. For breakfast: just a handful or two of supplements (including a range of B vitamins, time-release Niacin, Folic acid, antioxidant vitamins, grape seed extract, garlic, flax oil, CoQ10, and more), flushed down with three large glasses of water. For lunch each day I ate 2 oz. of cheddar or muenster cheese and 10 small olives. (I had bought macadamias for snacks, but didn't get hungry so didn't eat them). Dinner each night was a modest portion of meat with freshly cooked cauliflower, brocholli or spinach, and a medium salad drizzled with a bit of olive oil. I Drank lots of water; eliminated all sodium, and completely cut out all other beverages for this week. I weighed myself after the first week and had lost 10 pounds, much of it water weight I'm sure. I had no cravings or hunger whatsoever. Week 2: (Start of 2-week vacation). This was a challenge. Traveling with my cousin, our first meal stop was on the NJ Turnpike. Try low-carbing at one of *those* hyper-priced slop-pits! I ended up ordering a double cheeseburger, plain, and threw away the bread. Drank water. Back in the car I ate a few macadamias. I followed this with another bottle of water. (lots of pit stops!) The rest of this week was easier. We stayed in a hotel for the week in West Springfield, MA, and except for Christmas day ate our meals out. Picking out lc foods on restaurant menus is second nature to me by now and I find it remarkably easy just about anywhere. Those of you in the NorthEast U.S. know "Friendly's;" restaurant; there was one across from our hotel. They have a wonderful variety of filling salads (with chicken, for instance), and the best burgers anywhere ... which they are happy to accommodate by leaving the bread off and putting lettuce tomato and cole slaw on the side. Again, I just drank water and really didn't give into the temptation of Friendly's awesome sundaes! On Christmas day at my Niece's house, with a typical spread, I didn't deny myself. Instead, I took a reasonably small portion of everything, ate that plate of food, and did not go back for more. I went and played with the kids while the other adults were still eating and passing around the pies and coffee. Week 3: Returned home to Gastonia, NC for my 2nd weekend of vacation with lots of projects planned around the house. First day there I started to get sick (earache, fever) so I wet out and bought several cans of chicken soup. Rather than go on forever here, that is what I lived on for the rest of the week. Chicken soup. (Chunky style, low sodium). I was so sick that at first I didn't care that there was rice or noodles in the soup. After I read the labels, I really didn't care because 1 medium-large can of Healty Choice chunky chicken with rice, low-sodium, has only 12g of carbs -- and 90 calories -- per serving, two servings per can. I literally ate a can of this soup for lunch and dinner every day for the next 6 days. I did not get in the least bit hungry. Yesterday, (Sunday) still feeling under the weather, I made the 300-mile drive back to Emporia VA where I work (and live most of each month) managing a hotel. More soup last night, augmented with some cheddar cheese and a few olives. So this morning when I went to the Doctor to get my throat and ear checked out (I've now added Amoxicillin to my supplements list) , I climbed on her scale and .. *eighteen* pounds dropped. No wonder I have to keep hiking my pants up! Now I'm back on my regular low-carb, ongoing weight loss meals, but decided to continue to go lighter on calories than in the past -- for a while anyway. As long as I can keep losing, knowing I'm in most likely in ketosis and my blood sugar is stabilizing, I'll keep it up. Sorry about the book I just wrote; if it's helpful or inspirational to even one person, it was worth it. -- -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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Jenny wrote:
Marengo, Congrats on the impressive weight loss! Was your appointment with the doctor where she told you that you were diabetic in the morning? The reason I ask is that for many people with diabetes the blood sugar will be at its highest in the morning and not eating breakfast allows it to climb even higher. As much as you might not feel like eating first thing in the morning, eating breakfast will suppress the dumping of glucose by the liver that otherwise occurs. Google alt.support.diabetes on the search terms "dawn effect" to learn more about how this works. So it sounds like the blood tests need to be done at different time--fasting for some and not for others. I wonder if there is a list somewhere about this. -- Jean B. |
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Jenny wrote:
| Marengo, | | Congrats on the impressive weight loss! | | Was your appointment with the doctor where she told you that you were | diabetic in the morning? | | The reason I ask is that for many people with diabetes the blood sugar | will be at its highest in the morning and not eating breakfast allows it | to climb even higher. | | As much as you might not feel like eating first thing in the morning, | eating breakfast will suppress the dumping of glucose by the liver that | otherwise occurs. Google alt.support.diabetes on the search terms "dawn | effect" to learn more about how this works. | Jenny, My blood glucose was a bit high at the time of the test, but not terribly so. (It was actually a fasting blood test because they were checking cholesterol and triglycerides also). The diagnosis of diabetes was made based on the A1C1 hemoglobin test. Normal is under 6; my reading was 9 -- showing consistently elevated bg over the past 3 months. But thanks for the input. I am one of those people who never eats breakfast; I never have. Maybe it's time that I start. Peter |
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Jean,
No. It's not a question of moving your blood test to get better results. The person is still diabetic no matter what the time of day. It's about how, when you are diabetic, eating more frequently can keep your blood sugars lower and hence make it less likely you'll develop complications. -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm "Jean B." wrote in message ... Jenny wrote: Marengo, Congrats on the impressive weight loss! Was your appointment with the doctor where she told you that you were diabetic in the morning? The reason I ask is that for many people with diabetes the blood sugar will be at its highest in the morning and not eating breakfast allows it to climb even higher. As much as you might not feel like eating first thing in the morning, eating breakfast will suppress the dumping of glucose by the liver that otherwise occurs. Google alt.support.diabetes on the search terms "dawn effect" to learn more about how this works. So it sounds like the blood tests need to be done at different time--fasting for some and not for others. I wonder if there is a list somewhere about this. -- Jean B. |
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Lee wrote:
| marengo wrote in message | ws.com... | | Really great job, but... | || Week 1: Very, very strict Atkins induction-type low carb. For || breakfast: just a handful or two of supplements (including a range of B || vitamins, time-release Niacin, Folic acid, antioxidant vitamins, grape || seed extract, garlic, flax oil, CoQ10, and more), flushed down with || three large glasses of water. | | ...is this really what's recommended by Atkins as a good breakfast? | I've never read the Atkins book (I'm doing another LC diet), but if | this is what's recommended, I don't have any interest in reading it | either. The water consumption is great, but how about some fuel to get | you cranking through your day? | | Lee If you'll note, I said "Atkins induction-tyoe low carb," not "Atkins." I also wrote a disclaimer that I wouldn not recommend that every do what I have been doing, Having said that, I have been low-carbing for several years, and know my body; I pretty much know what I can and can't get away with. I have never eaten breakfast my whole adult life , and never get hungry until lunch time. As far as the furl to get me cranking through the day; I have it, thanks to the low-carb miracle -- ketosis! I know that the old low-fat way of thinking is hard to break. But ketosis provides and even, steady round-the-clock supply of fuel for the body as the stored fats are burned and converted to glucose. My engine cranks just fine in the morning! ;-) -- Peter website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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