Which one is easier?

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:10:41 -0400, Gloria wrote:

I jst want to see how many here count calories and who finds this the
better way? I sometimes have felt that counting just made me feel like
I'm dieting and so I stopped doing this but it seems to not change the
"diet" thing in my head. Does anyone see what I mean? I wonder what YOUR
feelings are with this ?

Yes, I do know what you mean. I got very very bored with counting the
calories and putting my results into fitday. Then I received a booklet
from Weight Watchers with a short points list. I experimented with that,
and it has paid off. Just the joy of learning something new was enough to
keep me motivated and adjust my diet to a low-fat, medium-carb WOE.

Since then I've been adding items I like to eat and figuring out their
points based on what I want my diet to be. WW is nice, but very focused on
the low-fat part, so items with high protein always get loads of points
(even if you eat non-fat varieties) compared to low-fat high-carb foods.
According to them I can eat 22 points a day, I added to that one free
serving of dairy, or one egg, or one serving of lean meat. Since I have no
way of calculating bonus points for my exercise, I allow myself 2 extra
points on workout days.

I've been doing this for 2 weeks now, lost a nice couple of lb's on the
go, enjoyed my WOE, never got hungry and am bursting with energy. What I
most like about the WW system is you can eat most fruit and veggies for
'free', so I eat a lot healthier too. I don't like I have to pay $40 per
month to get the full details of their system so I decided not to join.

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-- Boemsi
207 - 194 - 180

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:10:41 -0400, Gloria wrote:

I jst want to see how many here count calories and who finds this the
better way? I sometimes have felt that counting just made me feel like
I'm dieting and so I stopped doing this but it seems to not change the
"diet" thing in my head. Does anyone see what I mean? I wonder what YOUR
feelings are with this ?

Yes, I do know what you mean. I got very very bored with counting the
calories and putting my results into fitday. Then I received a booklet
from Weight Watchers with a short points list. I experimented with that,
and it has paid off. Just the joy of learning something new was enough to
keep me motivated and adjust my diet to a low-fat, medium-carb WOE.

Since then I've been adding items I like to eat and figuring out their
points based on what I want my diet to be. WW is nice, but very focused on
the low-fat part, so items with high protein always get loads of points
(even if you eat non-fat varieties) compared to low-fat high-carb foods.
According to them I can eat 22 points a day, I added to that one free
serving of dairy, or one egg, or one serving of lean meat. Since I have no
way of calculating bonus points for my exercise, I allow myself 2 extra
points on workout days.

I've been doing this for 2 weeks now, lost a nice couple of lb's on the
go, enjoyed my WOE, never got hungry and am bursting with energy. What I
most like about the WW system is you can eat most fruit and veggies for
'free', so I eat a lot healthier too. I don't like I have to pay $40 per
month to get the full details of their system so I decided not to join.

--
-- Boemsi
207 - 194 - 180

"Boemsi" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:10:41 -0400, Gloria wrote:

I jst want to see how many here count calories and who finds this the
better way? I sometimes have felt that counting just made me feel like
I'm dieting and so I stopped doing this but it seems to not change the
"diet" thing in my head. Does anyone see what I mean? I wonder what YOUR
feelings are with this ?

Yes, I do know what you mean. I got very very bored with counting the
calories and putting my results into fitday. Then I received a booklet
from Weight Watchers with a short points list. I experimented with that,
and it has paid off. Just the joy of learning something new was enough to
keep me motivated and adjust my diet to a low-fat, medium-carb WOE.

Since then I've been adding items I like to eat and figuring out their
points based on what I want my diet to be. WW is nice, but very focused on
the low-fat part, so items with high protein always get loads of points
(even if you eat non-fat varieties) compared to low-fat high-carb foods.
According to them I can eat 22 points a day, I added to that one free
serving of dairy, or one egg, or one serving of lean meat. Since I have no
way of calculating bonus points for my exercise, I allow myself 2 extra
points on workout days.

I've been doing this for 2 weeks now, lost a nice couple of lb's on the
go, enjoyed my WOE, never got hungry and am bursting with energy. What I
most like about the WW system is you can eat most fruit and veggies for
'free', so I eat a lot healthier too.

All WW literature I've seen lists most fruits at 1 point. This includes
apples, oranges, berries, etc. What fruits have zero points on your list?

Beverly

(Gloria) wrote in news:12503-412B7691-58@storefull-
3134.bay.webtv.net:

I jst want to see how many here count calories and who finds this the
better way? I sometimes have felt that counting just made me feel like
I'm dieting and so I stopped doing this but it seems to not change the
"diet" thing in my head. Does anyone see what I mean? I wonder what YOUR
feelings are with this ?

Thanx,
glo

I started out and ended my weight loss counting calories. Now I practice
portion control and eat when Im hungry. I am maintaining just fine with
this method. I must note that counting calories really taught me how to get
more bang for my buck. The healthier you eat the more you can eat. (in most
cases) I really dont restrict myself from anything anymore. If I want a
candy bar, I eat a candy bar. ((just 1)) This really helps me alot. I am a
natural born binger so I have to be very carefull not to restrict myself
from anyone food for too long or I will go crazy thinking about it. And
eventually give in and eat 12 or more candy bars. Tomorrow is a free day
for me. I went to the store and got myself a sugar free king size candybar
that I will enjoy after supper tomorrow. And I WILL enjoy it. When I got
over the fear of eating, my maintenance became easy. Its not really the
fear of eating but the fear of gaining all the weight back that kept me
from enjoying food. I mean that fear will always be there a tiny bit. But
releasing it for the most part has made living easier. Those primal binge
urges have been greatly reduced also!



--
start 365
goal 200
maintaining 189-194 range
current 192

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:36:25 -0400, Beverly wrote:

All WW literature I've seen lists most fruits at 1 point. This includes
apples, oranges, berries, etc. What fruits have zero points on your list?

Oh, my list is *very* incomplete. It only lists fruits that have points
and then says "most others have none like berries, apples, pears..."
Interesting that you have seen different, this one I got from a Dutch
friend of mine. I would really like to see the complete lists one day and
compare the US lists with other countries...

I must say, expressing the "quality" of a food in a single value has an
enormous benefit, as long as you are aware of the downsides of not knowing
anything about the protein or carbs it has.

--
-- Boemsi
207 - 194 - 180

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:36:25 -0400, Beverly wrote:

All WW literature I've seen lists most fruits at 1 point. This includes
apples, oranges, berries, etc. What fruits have zero points on your list?

Oh, my list is *very* incomplete. It only lists fruits that have points
and then says "most others have none like berries, apples, pears..."
Interesting that you have seen different, this one I got from a Dutch
friend of mine. I would really like to see the complete lists one day and
compare the US lists with other countries...

I must say, expressing the "quality" of a food in a single value has an
enormous benefit, as long as you are aware of the downsides of not knowing
anything about the protein or carbs it has.

--
-- Boemsi
207 - 194 - 180

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:52:31 GMT, "
wrote:

(Gloria) wrote in news:12503-412B7691-58@storefull-
3134.bay.webtv.net:

I jst want to see how many here count calories and who finds this the
better way? I sometimes have felt that counting just made me feel like
I'm dieting and so I stopped doing this but it seems to not change the
"diet" thing in my head. Does anyone see what I mean? I wonder what YOUR
feelings are with this ?

Thanx,
glo

I started out and ended my weight loss counting calories. Now I practice
portion control and eat when Im hungry. I am maintaining just fine with
this method. I must note that counting calories really taught me how to get
more bang for my buck. The healthier you eat the more you can eat. (in most
cases) I really dont restrict myself from anything anymore. If I want a
candy bar, I eat a candy bar. ((just 1)) This really helps me alot. I am a
natural born binger so I have to be very carefull not to restrict myself
from anyone food for too long or I will go crazy thinking about it. And
eventually give in and eat 12 or more candy bars. Tomorrow is a free day
for me. I went to the store and got myself a sugar free king size candybar
that I will enjoy after supper tomorrow. And I WILL enjoy it. When I got
over the fear of eating, my maintenance became easy. Its not really the
fear of eating but the fear of gaining all the weight back that kept me
from enjoying food. I mean that fear will always be there a tiny bit. But
releasing it for the most part has made living easier. Those primal binge
urges have been greatly reduced also!

A very sensible message -- thanks!

Chris
262/141/ (145-150) -- 2+ months in maintenance

OH MY GOSH!!! You were all just sooo helpful with answers of every kind!
THANK YOU,THANK YOU , THANK YOU! GREAT IDEAS and ya know, I took a bit
from each one and now I FEEL better as I feel noooo guilt for my
reasonings at all after knowing what people do in many plans as we lose
weight/maintain ETC. GREAT ideas and some are NEW ideas and some are
"OLD" GREAT!!!! THANX AGAIN!!!

glo

OH MY GOSH!!! You were all just sooo helpful with answers of every kind!
THANK YOU,THANK YOU , THANK YOU! GREAT IDEAS and ya know, I took a bit
from each one and now I FEEL better as I feel noooo guilt for my
reasonings at all after knowing what people do in many plans as we lose
weight/maintain ETC. GREAT ideas and some are NEW ideas and some are
"OLD" GREAT!!!! THANX AGAIN!!!

glo

I 2nd Jenn's and Chris's words. You are an inspiration, Alien. I hope I
can overcome my binge eating like you did someday. It is a daily struggle
and I am still triggered too easily. Did the Fattitudes book help you the
most?

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(Gloria) wrote in news:12503-412B7691-58@storefull-
3134.bay.webtv.net:

I jst want to see how many here count calories and who finds this the
better way? I sometimes have felt that counting just made me feel like
I'm dieting and so I stopped doing this but it seems to not change the
"diet" thing in my head. Does anyone see what I mean? I wonder what
YOUR
feelings are with this ?

Thanx,
glo

I started out and ended my weight loss counting calories. Now I practice
portion control and eat when Im hungry. I am maintaining just fine with
this method. I must note that counting calories really taught me how to
get
more bang for my buck. The healthier you eat the more you can eat. (in
most
cases) I really dont restrict myself from anything anymore. If I want a
candy bar, I eat a candy bar. ((just 1)) This really helps me alot. I am
a
natural born binger so I have to be very carefull not to restrict myself
from anyone food for too long or I will go crazy thinking about it. And
eventually give in and eat 12 or more candy bars. Tomorrow is a free day
for me. I went to the store and got myself a sugar free king size
candybar
that I will enjoy after supper tomorrow. And I WILL enjoy it. When I
got
over the fear of eating, my maintenance became easy. Its not really the
fear of eating but the fear of gaining all the weight back that kept me
from enjoying food. I mean that fear will always be there a tiny bit.
But
releasing it for the most part has made living easier. Those primal
binge
urges have been greatly reduced also!



--
start 365
goal 200
maintaining 189-194 range
current 192

Aliendude - you rock! You definitely seem to have a handle on this and
are
doing it in a sensible manner. I'm thrilled for you that you've been able
to pinpoint some binge triggers, and you are able to relax and enjoy the
occasional "junk food" treat. Sugar free chocolate has also been a
lifesaver for me too, even if it is "fake junk food." I'd rather go for
that than go through life believing I'm some sort of superior human being
by
suffering from the urges that come when I ignore the little "itches."

I think I'm more thrilled for you overcoming the binge eating than even
the
maintenance, though that is equally awesome

Jenn