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Hi - anyone else tried "no dieting" approach to finally getting weight under control?
"janice" wrote in message ... This sounds familiar to me, Jennifer, and is what I was trying to convey a bit of in my own response to Becky's post. I don't go for quite the same foods you mention, but certainly those that are very high in fat and refined carbs. And, as you say, it has nothing to do with hunger or stopping when you're full. I have it under control most of the time nowadays, but I know for me the behaviour is always lurking in the background and I don't believe that I will ever regard myself as "cured". janice 233/161/133 From my research (a little), experience (loads), and anecdotal information, I also don't believe you can consider yourself "cured." I'm hoping that the 9 months of practice I've had dealing with the urges in other ways and multiple plans I've created for myself will provide me with the skills to cope with the urges in the earliest stages and most positive fashion. I think we need to be as dilligent as alcoholics and drug addicts in being aware of what trips the trigger. Keep up the good work. Jennifer 300/157/140 |
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Hi - anyone else tried "no dieting" approach to finally getting weight under control?
"Ignoramus8847" wrote in message ... In article , Jennifer Austin wrote: So Jennifer, what happened? Let's say in the middle of the binge, a police officer came and forced you to stop eating. Would you feel bad at that moment? i I guess the same thing would happen as if SPACE ALIENS came down and tried the same thing. I can't predict something that would never actually happen, nor do I waste the energy in the pursuit of such folly. In case you weren't aware, another aspect of the bingeing process for many people is secrecy. If I had been discovered, I would have felt the same as I did when I wasn't discovered - ashamed, miserable, & self-loathing. When I made my post revealing the actual contents of a binge, it was the first time I publicly acknowledged to anyone besides my shrink something that I have always carried inside and was very ashamed of. It's less of a threat in the light of day. Jennifer |
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Hi - anyone else tried "no dieting" approach to finally getting weight under control?
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:24:23 -0500, "Jennifer Austin"
wrote: "janice" wrote in message .. . This sounds familiar to me, Jennifer, and is what I was trying to convey a bit of in my own response to Becky's post. I don't go for quite the same foods you mention, but certainly those that are very high in fat and refined carbs. And, as you say, it has nothing to do with hunger or stopping when you're full. I have it under control most of the time nowadays, but I know for me the behaviour is always lurking in the background and I don't believe that I will ever regard myself as "cured". janice 233/161/133 From my research (a little), experience (loads), and anecdotal information, I also don't believe you can consider yourself "cured." I'm hoping that the 9 months of practice I've had dealing with the urges in other ways and multiple plans I've created for myself will provide me with the skills to cope with the urges in the earliest stages and most positive fashion. I think we need to be as dilligent as alcoholics and drug addicts in being aware of what trips the trigger. Keep up the good work. Jennifer 300/157/140 Have just read your reply to Ig's question - and it reminds me that I meant to say that another hallmark of a binge for me is that it is something that always happens in secret. There's no way I could disclose the true extent of the amount of food to anyone else. janice 233/161/133 |
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Hi - anyone else tried "no dieting" approach to finally getting weight under control?
"Julie Villani" wrote in message ... Hi Julianne, I can so relate to the "alien son" experience.... I have two that qualify and I hate to say it but my 20 year old utters the "C" word within my earshot. He knows it distresses me to hear him swear like that. I think it shows a total lack of respect for my feelings. When he is not around I would prefer he not use that language (I am not a prude and occasionally let a few blasphemes flow) but I cannot control his every thought or move, but I certainly believe that when he is around me he should absolutely not speak this way. Grrrr....just thinking about it makes my blood boil. Does he still live at home? If so, kick him out if he refuses to give you respect. He does things like that because there are no repercussions. At 20 years old, it's about time he learns how the world works. I have zero tolerance for this type of thing. Martha |
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Hi - anyone else tried "no dieting" approach to finally getting weight under control?
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:41:19 -0500, "Julianne"
wrote: Hello Jul... to put the sweet potatoes in the crockpot at noon? Will the sweet corn be caramelized or just plain yucky? How horrible it is to have your food laid next to someone who is very accomplished! I have to smile at this one. I see it from the other side of your postion. I have often been asked at social gatherings to go in the kitchen and do the meal. Most of the time right out of the blue while I am attending one. I have agreed many times with the stipulation that I only help and not do the whole meal alone. During those prepreations I have had to take a few minutes out and try to talk to the co-ladies who are in there. I have to give them my little cooking speech. All recipes are subjective. There isn't any such thing as one which isn't right for someone. When I first began to cook I worked under a German Chef who had been cooking for over fifty years. And this man taught me more in those two years then I have learned in the past forty. One of the first things he taught me was that tastes were as far left as they are to the right. Once I over baked some calzones.. They were as dark brown as one could get them before they turned black in ashe. Smile. I was going to toss them out when Chef Otto told me: "Nein, erlauben die Leute haben sie" (no, allow the people to have them) I set those "over baked" calzones out on the line. (steam tables) beside some others which I felt were baked perfectly. The dark ones were chose faster than the light tan ones were . I was surprised but that point has been proven over and over again in the following years. Everyone has a different taste. There isn't one taste for anything. Once in my first year of cooking I worked extra hard and long over a large pan of mashed potatoes. I made absolutely certain there were no lumps in them. At the end of the meal I had five or six people tell me they felt my potatoes were NOT right. As there were no lumps in them as their mom always had. Smile. So I tell the co-workers to relax and fix what ever they are fixing the way they like them and it will be "correctly fixed".. I don't know of the number of entrees, vegetables and starches I have learned to fix which I wouldn't eat as it is not of my taste. I do not mean it isn't good, it just isn't my cup of tea. When a Chef gets hired on a job. He is either hired as a Chef or a cook. There is a difference. In a kitchen there is a main chef. He/she is the one who decides on all of the recipes. If there are six cooks in a kitchen and the menu calls for meat loaf. If one were to allow each cook to cook a meat loaf you would have six different meat loaves. So there has to be a leader. In some places he/she is called The lead Chef. My point, is that I always cook my food the way I like for me. But most of the food I cook now is under Chef Tom. He tells me how he wants the recipes to be. We will discuss them and after a few months of working together one learns how he wants it fixed. I love to watch others cook. I love to watch the cook shows on the food network. I learn so much. It is one of the facts of cooking which I have always found interesting. One will never learn it all. No matter how long one cooks there is always thousands of different recipes to learn. My cooking at home is totally different than cooking for the public. I cook and eat as healthy as I can figure it out to be. At work I am required to cook it for taste which comes from grease and oil. I would love to cook for a living but frankly, I have invested so much into being a nurse and I really do love it. always welcome Yes, I see your point. How nice to have a double intense feeling for different things. I have always admired people who have dedicated themselves to the medical outreach of others. I have a sister who was the lead nurse for transplants in a large San Francisco Hospital for years. She took me with her once and I sat in this room and watched about six operations she was involved in. It was amazing. But I felt so bad for those sick people I don't know if I could do that. I was a photographer for the corners office for thirteen years. I had to photograph all the deaths in three counties which were classifed not natural. Most of these deaths were violent. I never did get comfortable with it. I was always upset for hours after we left the scene. While many others there didn't seem to be bothered at all. Glad to see you here I hope you always have as much fun as you are having now with your job. I hope the women in your life paint it with color and drama the way that men are leery of recognizing. Yes. I hope so too. I have found that moods come and they go. I have woke up from my sleep and discover a mood or feeling which seems to just have come on it's own. I can feel wonderful for no particular reason or I can feel sad for no reason. But I have discoverd that I can control my moods to a certain extent by forcing myself to think of the positive things in my life. I have discovered that if one waits long enough, a few days at the most the bad moods will go away and contendful ones will come. I think hope plays an important role in my life. I have hopes that something nice will happen. I have hopes that tomorrow I might find something which will make my life have more meaning and maybe find a purpose to it. I was a husband and father for most of my life that I find it most difficult to find a deeper meaning to my life without it. I do alot of thinking. I lay on the sofa, and I turn off the t.v. computer or anything which might be a distraction and I lay down and think about things. I do this on purposes. I look at things in my life and I try to evaluate them. If I need to make changes etc. I kind of believe that we have time tables. We do certain things in our lives at certain times. I was a father until my children were raised. I am not a father in the same sence as I once believe that role to be. Actually my grown children have kind of taught me that. Smile. (Father I would rather do it myself!) I did that work (rasing children) when it was time to do it. And now I must push onward and find another role which might be of value for me and my self worth in the remaining years I have. I don't know what the future will bring. But I do know that I need to take an interest in my state of health. And that dieting is very important to that end. I know that the human mind with its many moods can play an important part to a person's motivation towards their health. I certtainly believe I could have remained in that state of depression and a state of just giving up from the American Dream. It was dangeoursly too close for me. I could have stayed there and lost many good years of my life. I get chills thinking of how close I came to just staying in that defeated state of mind and allowing my body to live under those unhealthy conditions. Thanks for the nice chat.. Monte |
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"Montgomery Hounchell" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:41:19 -0500, "Julianne" wrote: Hello Jul... to put the sweet potatoes in the crockpot at noon? Will the sweet corn be caramelized or just plain yucky? How horrible it is to have your food laid next to someone who is very accomplished! I have to smile at this one. I see it from the other side of your postion. I have often been asked at social gatherings to go in the kitchen and do the meal. Most of the time right out of the blue while I am attending one. I have agreed many times with the stipulation that I only help and not do the whole meal alone. During those prepreations I have had to take a few minutes out and try to talk to the co-ladies who are in there. I have to give them my little cooking speech. All recipes are subjective. There isn't any such thing as one which isn't right for someone. When I first began to cook I worked under a German Chef who had been cooking for over fifty years. And this man taught me more in those two years then I have learned in the past forty. One of the first things he taught me was that tastes were as far left as they are to the right. Once I over baked some calzones.. They were as dark brown as one could get them before they turned black in ashe. Smile. I was going to toss them out when Chef Otto told me: "Nein, erlauben die Leute haben sie" (no, allow the people to have them) I set those "over baked" calzones out on the line. (steam tables) beside some others which I felt were baked perfectly. The dark ones were chose faster than the light tan ones were . I was surprised but that point has been proven over and over again in the following years. Everyone has a different taste. There isn't one taste for anything. Once in my first year of cooking I worked extra hard and long over a large pan of mashed potatoes. I made absolutely certain there were no lumps in them. At the end of the meal I had five or six people tell me they felt my potatoes were NOT right. As there were no lumps in them as their mom always had. Smile. So I tell the co-workers to relax and fix what ever they are fixing the way they like them and it will be "correctly fixed".. I don't know of the number of entrees, vegetables and starches I have learned to fix which I wouldn't eat as it is not of my taste. I do not mean it isn't good, it just isn't my cup of tea. When a Chef gets hired on a job. He is either hired as a Chef or a cook. There is a difference. In a kitchen there is a main chef. He/she is the one who decides on all of the recipes. If there are six cooks in a kitchen and the menu calls for meat loaf. If one were to allow each cook to cook a meat loaf you would have six different meat loaves. So there has to be a leader. In some places he/she is called The lead Chef. My point, is that I always cook my food the way I like for me. But most of the food I cook now is under Chef Tom. He tells me how he wants the recipes to be. We will discuss them and after a few months of working together one learns how he wants it fixed. I love to watch others cook. I love to watch the cook shows on the food network. I learn so much. It is one of the facts of cooking which I have always found interesting. One will never learn it all. No matter how long one cooks there is always thousands of different recipes to learn. My cooking at home is totally different than cooking for the public. I cook and eat as healthy as I can figure it out to be. At work I am required to cook it for taste which comes from grease and oil. I would love to cook for a living but frankly, I have invested so much into being a nurse and I really do love it. always welcome Yes, I see your point. How nice to have a double intense feeling for different things. I have always admired people who have dedicated themselves to the medical outreach of others. I have a sister who was the lead nurse for transplants in a large San Francisco Hospital for years. She took me with her once and I sat in this room and watched about six operations she was involved in. It was amazing. But I felt so bad for those sick people I don't know if I could do that. I was a photographer for the corners office for thirteen years. I had to photograph all the deaths in three counties which were classifed not natural. Most of these deaths were violent. I never did get comfortable with it. I was always upset for hours after we left the scene. While many others there didn't seem to be bothered at all. Glad to see you here I hope you always have as much fun as you are having now with your job. I hope the women in your life paint it with color and drama the way that men are leery of recognizing. Yes. I hope so too. I have found that moods come and they go. I have woke up from my sleep and discover a mood or feeling which seems to just have come on it's own. I can feel wonderful for no particular reason or I can feel sad for no reason. But I have discoverd that I can control my moods to a certain extent by forcing myself to think of the positive things in my life. I have discovered that if one waits long enough, a few days at the most the bad moods will go away and contendful ones will come. I think hope plays an important role in my life. I have hopes that something nice will happen. I have hopes that tomorrow I might find something which will make my life have more meaning and maybe find a purpose to it. I was a husband and father for most of my life that I find it most difficult to find a deeper meaning to my life without it. I do alot of thinking. I lay on the sofa, and I turn off the t.v. computer or anything which might be a distraction and I lay down and think about things. I do this on purposes. I look at things in my life and I try to evaluate them. If I need to make changes etc. I kind of believe that we have time tables. We do certain things in our lives at certain times. I was a father until my children were raised. I am not a father in the same sence as I once believe that role to be. Actually my grown children have kind of taught me that. Smile. (Father I would rather do it myself!) I did that work (rasing children) when it was time to do it. And now I must push onward and find another role which might be of value for me and my self worth in the remaining years I have. I don't know what the future will bring. But I do know that I need to take an interest in my state of health. And that dieting is very important to that end. I know that the human mind with its many moods can play an important part to a person's motivation towards their health. I certtainly believe I could have remained in that state of depression and a state of just giving up from the American Dream. It was dangeoursly too close for me. I could have stayed there and lost many good years of my life. I get chills thinking of how close I came to just staying in that defeated state of mind and allowing my body to live under those unhealthy conditions. Thanks for the nice chat.. Monte Your message is inspiring in more than one way. Starting backwards, I have observed how easy it is for people to ruminate over failures and losses in life. I think that your habit of forcing yourself to think about the positive things in life is remarkable. Being devastated by a loss is normal and recovery comes at different times for different folks but there is always a reason to go on. You have to be willing to look for it, though. Currently, I have a friend who lost her boyfriend almost two years ago in a car crash. Her continued depression, lack of sleep, etc., is worrisome. Her comment to me is that she doesn't want to get better because she doesn't want to forget. My comment to her was that no one, especially the boyfriend would want to her to commit to a life of misery. Being a nurse means taking care of sick people or in my case, as a consultant, taking care of the nurses who render direct care. I have never like watching procedures and death is never pleasant. I worked with critically ill patients for over ten years and many of them died. We learned how to cope with death but none of us ever felt good about it. It made us better nurses to remember that the 'code 14 in bed 13' was also a husband and a father, grandfather, etc. and that the woman who came to bid farewell after the code was called saw the handsome groom she met at the altar many years ago. Nurses get burned out but never for feeling real emotions. Shooting pics for the coroner's office would be disturbing. I love to take pictures (especially alligators) but I cannot imagine looking at a corpse and wondering what grotesque feature should be the focus of a photograph. I cannot imagine shooting something deliberately ugly in order to capture an important detail. However, like nurses, you offered something important to the survivors, especially when your pics would be a part of a murder trial. Onto lighter things, your comment about different tastes was illustrated perfectly yesterday morning. I went to my boyfriend's camp and woke up to rain. As the whole camp started stirring, I offered to make breakfast. My bf's ten year kiddo was all excited that we were going to make french toast and proceeded to ruin it. I got so mad at the kid. He poured a whole bowl full of milk and added an egg. "too much milk', I told him. He wouldn't listen but conceded by adding an additional egg to the two cups of milk. I was livid and left him in the kitchen to ruin breakfast. He made this nasty soggy french toast (using soft white bread which I personally would not have recommended) and served it with lumpy powdered sugar. No cinnamon, seasonings, vanilla and certainly no french bread for true pain perdu. By that time, the men came to the table and proclaimed it to be like Christmas. After all, who would make french toast for them if it wasn't a grand occasion. I kicked myself in the ass and learned important lessons. First, cooking is a way of taking care of people and people appreciate care. Second, the kiddo has the right to be creative and learn lessons in the kitchen and have the opportunity to contribute to our bizarre family life the same way the rest of us enjoy. Third, if the kiddo messes up the kitchen, it is easier to insist that he clean up behind himself. Fourth, if the kid is taking care of stuff, you can get outside and catch fish sooner. I have been steadily losing weight. I do enjoy food and cooking. I probably enjoy cooking more than eating and will frequently cook things that I cannot eat (I am highly allergic to fish and hate cooked green food). But, I do have a problem with the position that food should not be enjoyed but rather regarded as simply food. I am not arguing that that approach might work for some but I can attest to the fact that one can eat well without overdoing the calories. I wish you every success in the future. Hang around ASD for a while. I love having a chef available for advice! j |
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So, I am now researching the non-diet approach. It is making sense but it
would sure help if I knew others had found this helpful in overcoming their battles with yo-yo dieting. Just under 3 years ago, I went through a program called Hugs For Life, which is a non-diet healthy lifestyle education program. No weighing, no counting of calories, no forbidden foods, etc... Just learning to recognize genuine physical hunger, how to deal with emotional eating triggers, healthy portioning and food choices, allowing treats and splurges in moderation so as not to ever feel deprived, and working regular physical activity into your normal day to day routine. After several months of really having to make an effort, the lifestyle changes "took" and it just comes naturally to me now. I eat differently, am more active, and it has resulted in slow and steady weight loss. I was reccomended this type of approach to weight loss by a nutritionist. She said that if I made the changes in eating and exercise habits, and made them permanant changes, the weight would eventually start to take care of its' own. And it has. This is the longest amount of time I have maintained _any_ weight loss. And I am still losing weight. Very slowly, but steadily. So, yeah, it can work. It won't work overnight, but it can work if you are willing and able to give it time and make that initial effort regarding lifestyle change until you no longer have to think about it, you just start living it. Tracy |
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Tracey:
Haven't seen you around lately. You doing well? How are the water aerobics? j "AuroraeB" wrote in message ... So, I am now researching the non-diet approach. It is making sense but it would sure help if I knew others had found this helpful in overcoming their battles with yo-yo dieting. Just under 3 years ago, I went through a program called Hugs For Life, which is a non-diet healthy lifestyle education program. No weighing, no counting of calories, no forbidden foods, etc... Just learning to recognize genuine physical hunger, how to deal with emotional eating triggers, healthy portioning and food choices, allowing treats and splurges in moderation so as not to ever feel deprived, and working regular physical activity into your normal day to day routine. After several months of really having to make an effort, the lifestyle changes "took" and it just comes naturally to me now. I eat differently, am more active, and it has resulted in slow and steady weight loss. I was reccomended this type of approach to weight loss by a nutritionist. She said that if I made the changes in eating and exercise habits, and made them permanant changes, the weight would eventually start to take care of its' own. And it has. This is the longest amount of time I have maintained _any_ weight loss. And I am still losing weight. Very slowly, but steadily. So, yeah, it can work. It won't work overnight, but it can work if you are willing and able to give it time and make that initial effort regarding lifestyle change until you no longer have to think about it, you just start living it. Tracy |
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Tracey:
Haven't seen you around lately. You doing well? How are the water aerobics? Hi there, I'm doing pretty good. I had a case of the flu that kept me sedentary for a little while, but I'm finally getting back into my routine. My husband and I have been getting up very early and exercising in the mornings before he goes in to work. So, we go at least 3 times a week, and I do water aerobics while he does the "fit links" circuit. It's much easier going early in the morning. Less crowded at the wellness center, it helps wake us up for the day, and no excuses of being too tired or having something else to do instead. I haven't been on a scale lately; but I will when I go to the doctor in November for my regular quarterly followup (I take a medication that requires bloodwork 4 times a year to make sure my liver enzymes are okay.) I have noticed that my clothes are looser. Stuff I couldn't wear fits again, and stuff that was snug fits properly again. And I have much less back pain (the stool I had to use for kitchen chores is now packed away in the pantry, I just haven't needed it the past couple of weeks.) So, I'm still making progress. Slowly but surely. Tracy |
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"AuroraeB" wrote in message ... Tracey: Haven't seen you around lately. You doing well? How are the water aerobics? Hi there, I'm doing pretty good. I had a case of the flu that kept me sedentary for a little while, but I'm finally getting back into my routine. My husband and I have been getting up very early and exercising in the mornings before he goes in to work. So, we go at least 3 times a week, and I do water aerobics while he does the "fit links" circuit. It's much easier going early in the morning. Less crowded at the wellness center, it helps wake us up for the day, and no excuses of being too tired or having something else to do instead. I haven't been on a scale lately; but I will when I go to the doctor in November for my regular quarterly followup (I take a medication that requires bloodwork 4 times a year to make sure my liver enzymes are okay.) I have noticed that my clothes are looser. Stuff I couldn't wear fits again, and stuff that was snug fits properly again. And I have much less back pain (the stool I had to use for kitchen chores is now packed away in the pantry, I just haven't needed it the past couple of weeks.) So, I'm still making progress. Slowly but surely. Tracy Sounds like you are doing great! I, too, try to exercise in the mornings. I play tennis in the evenings but don't count on it as exercise because in spite of all the well made plans, our weather and schedules are so very unpredictable. If I put off the treadmill until the evening, so many other things can get in the way including out and out laziness! Like you, I have an infinitely better start on the day when I exercise in the mornings! The relief of your back pain got me to thinking. My boyfriend has a camp in North Louisiana and we usually spend weekends there. We have a 'camp' wife who is in effect the dearest man you ever want to meet. He lives up there and has a farm that he grew corn on this year. Sometimes, he grows cotton. Anyway, our wife is about 60 years old and has an enormous belly. Last weekend, several times, he asked me for some Advil for his back. He was also sort of distracted at times, forgetting what he was about etc. Since pain does that to me, I was sort of suspicious. Anyway, when we were talking about it, I wanted so badly to tell him to lose weight! Yet, the culture up there is sort of different and 'meddlin' isn't accepted well. I suppose he knows he's overweight. He loves to cook and is very good at it, hence the title of camp wife! And yet, hearing how your back pain is easing up as you are getting thinner and stronger sort of makes me re-think my response. I think what I will do is call a PT and ask what specific exercises can be done for a lower back and add to that a little walking as advice specifically for back pain without mentioning the weight thingy; assuming he brings up the back pain again. Maybe as he gets a little more active, he will lean towards thinking about losing some weight. My BF's attitude is that he will never quit eating so much on his own and wants to kidnap him and set him up for weight loss surgery. Men are so impatient for results! You would think that farming would be a healthy occupation but no, everything is automated and air conditioned and there is a steady procession of trucks, 4 wheelers, Polaris's, dirt bikes, etc. leading the way to big farm equipment. Last time I was out there, I chose to walk the mile to the pond to fish and everyone wondered what was wrong with me. (It turned out to be a bad decision as I stood there with a 5 pound catfish and no bucket or net to place him in). I would love to see our wife make the same kind of progress you are. He is such a love and I hate to think of his future (and ours without him), if he doesn't take charge of his health. j |
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