muesli and protein

"jas" wrote in message
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Reading the protein thread got me thinking about folk saying muesli for
breakfast isnt good on its own and should add some protein to make it
better.

The daily protein needs are *daily* As long as you have had enough at the
end of the day and as long as they are complete (see Patricia Heil's post),
it's not that important whether you had then in one or six meals.
Another reason for adding proteins is that cereals are often fast carbs
(high glycemic index), and can cause you blood sugar to spike (if you're
diabetic, pre-diabetic or just insulin resistant), leading to a reactive
hypoglycemia. As a result, you might get hungry a mere hour after eating
them. Proteins can slow them down. But muesli is certainly a lot slower than
most other breakfast cereals (Kellogs, Rice Crispies and the like) anyway.
That's something to know if you don't feel satiated long enough with these
cereals, otherwise, it's obviously not your problem...

Just to add to this my other choice of breakfast cereal is mini shredded
wheat. These also have 11.8 gram of protein per 100 grams and if I fill
my bowl that just so happens to be 100 grams too. At 350 cals per 100
with milk measured out I get my 500 cal brekkie and tried them first
time this morning and no hunger at all so far a few hours after eating
them.

Why arn't we all taught at school this useful way of eating. It isnt
difficult to spend the calories wisely and certainly seems I get a good
amount of food for 2500 cals providing I dont overdo it on anything
calorie heavy. Oh well, better to learn late than never.

I guess after months of eating this way you just get used to the amounts
you need to use and it becomes 2nd nature. I am weighing in tomorrow
morning, almost looking forward to seeing the result. It wont disappoint
me if havent lost - im just so glad to be eating proper regular stuff
instead of all the crap I was eating before. I guess id be miffed if put
on but will just adjust a little bit downward if that happens rather
than go on a binge session!

350/350/210

Just to add to this my other choice of breakfast cereal is mini shredded
wheat. These also have 11.8 gram of protein per 100 grams and if I fill
my bowl that just so happens to be 100 grams too. At 350 cals per 100
with milk measured out I get my 500 cal brekkie and tried them first
time this morning and no hunger at all so far a few hours after eating
them.

Why arn't we all taught at school this useful way of eating. It isnt
difficult to spend the calories wisely and certainly seems I get a good
amount of food for 2500 cals providing I dont overdo it on anything
calorie heavy. Oh well, better to learn late than never.

I guess after months of eating this way you just get used to the amounts
you need to use and it becomes 2nd nature. I am weighing in tomorrow
morning, almost looking forward to seeing the result. It wont disappoint
me if havent lost - im just so glad to be eating proper regular stuff
instead of all the crap I was eating before. I guess id be miffed if put
on but will just adjust a little bit downward if that happens rather
than go on a binge session!

350/350/210

"jas" wrote in message
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no hunger at all so far a few hours after eating them.

That's the key point...

Why arn't we all taught at school this useful way of eating.

Because to teach nutrition at school, you would need to get half a dozen
dietitian to agree on the "right" way of eating - and this one is no simple
task. We're assuming that these dietitians would come up with a way of
eating that would *improve* on the default way of eating, and that's quite a
huge assumption there. Then, you would create an "official way of eating",
that would get pushed on people, reguardless of cultural, famillial or
personnal preferences. Jews would be told to eat like Cretians, Arabs would
be told to eat like Japanese and so on...
The problem is that there is no "right" way of eating. Some countries do
fine on high carb low fat, some do fine with the opposite, some barely have
breakfast, others make it a huge meal.
The FDA tried to create an official diet with its pyramid. It has not worked
so well...

It isnt difficult to spend the calories wisely and certainly seems I get a
good
amount of food for 2500 cals providing I dont overdo it on anything
calorie heavy.

Yes, 2500 calories is what most normal people are perfectly happy to eat
without ever feeling deprived.

I am weighing in tomorrow
morning, almost looking forward to seeing the result. It wont disappoint
me if havent lost - im just so glad to be eating proper regular stuff
instead of all the crap I was eating before.

For me, weight loss took a few days to kick in, I even had a weight gain for
the first few days. It's not uncommon to get a little constipated at the
start of a diet (you're pushing less volume down your digestive system, your
water intake goes down...), and this can hold weight loss for a couple of
days. It might take a week or so for weight loss to settle to a stable rate.
So, don't panic. Wait, see, adjust a bit, wait some more...

"jas" wrote in message
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no hunger at all so far a few hours after eating them.

That's the key point...

Why arn't we all taught at school this useful way of eating.

Because to teach nutrition at school, you would need to get half a dozen
dietitian to agree on the "right" way of eating - and this one is no simple
task. We're assuming that these dietitians would come up with a way of
eating that would *improve* on the default way of eating, and that's quite a
huge assumption there. Then, you would create an "official way of eating",
that would get pushed on people, reguardless of cultural, famillial or
personnal preferences. Jews would be told to eat like Cretians, Arabs would
be told to eat like Japanese and so on...
The problem is that there is no "right" way of eating. Some countries do
fine on high carb low fat, some do fine with the opposite, some barely have
breakfast, others make it a huge meal.
The FDA tried to create an official diet with its pyramid. It has not worked
so well...

It isnt difficult to spend the calories wisely and certainly seems I get a
good
amount of food for 2500 cals providing I dont overdo it on anything
calorie heavy.

Yes, 2500 calories is what most normal people are perfectly happy to eat
without ever feeling deprived.

I am weighing in tomorrow
morning, almost looking forward to seeing the result. It wont disappoint
me if havent lost - im just so glad to be eating proper regular stuff
instead of all the crap I was eating before.

For me, weight loss took a few days to kick in, I even had a weight gain for
the first few days. It's not uncommon to get a little constipated at the
start of a diet (you're pushing less volume down your digestive system, your
water intake goes down...), and this can hold weight loss for a couple of
days. It might take a week or so for weight loss to settle to a stable rate.
So, don't panic. Wait, see, adjust a bit, wait some more...

"Lictor" wrote in message
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Yes, 2500 calories is what most normal people are perfectly happy to eat
without ever feeling deprived.


2500 calories may be normal for a 200lb person but it's definitely not
normal for a 140lb person g If I ate that much each day I'd soon be in
the 200lb range.

"Ignoramus26161" wrote in message
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In article , Beverly wrote:

"Lictor" wrote in message
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Yes, 2500 calories is what most normal people are perfectly happy to
eat
without ever feeling deprived.


2500 calories may be normal for a 200lb person but it's definitely not
normal for a 140lb person g If I ate that much each day I'd soon be
in
the 200lb range.

FWIW, I am 175 lbs and eat somewhere around 2500 calories per day.

i

FWIW I am around 144 and don't eat 2500 calories per day!

"Ignoramus26161" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:

"Ignoramus26161" wrote in message
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In article , Beverly wrote:

"Lictor" wrote in message
...

Yes, 2500 calories is what most normal people are perfectly happy to
eat
without ever feeling deprived.


2500 calories may be normal for a 200lb person but it's definitely
not
normal for a 140lb person g If I ate that much each day I'd soon
be
in
the 200lb range.

FWIW, I am 175 lbs and eat somewhere around 2500 calories per day.

i

FWIW I am around 144 and don't eat 2500 calories per day!

If you had the same metabolism as myself (33 year old male) and
similar lifestyle, you'd be able to eat 2500*144/175 = 2057 calories
per day...

i

But I'm not a 33 year old male. I'm a soon-to-be 62 year old female and my
metabolism has slowed down over the years - yours will also.

I'm able to lose weight with a 1300-1500 daily calorie range. If I upped
the exercise I imagine I could lose on a little more. I imagine my
maintenance level will be in the 1600-1800 range. That's pretty normal for
a woman my size and age. It's not correct to say that 2500 calories per day
is what a normal person can eat. I certainly consider myself normalg

"Ignoramus26161" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:

"Ignoramus26161" wrote in message
...
In article , Beverly wrote:

"Lictor" wrote in message
...

Yes, 2500 calories is what most normal people are perfectly happy to
eat
without ever feeling deprived.


2500 calories may be normal for a 200lb person but it's definitely
not
normal for a 140lb person g If I ate that much each day I'd soon
be
in
the 200lb range.

FWIW, I am 175 lbs and eat somewhere around 2500 calories per day.

i

FWIW I am around 144 and don't eat 2500 calories per day!

If you had the same metabolism as myself (33 year old male) and
similar lifestyle, you'd be able to eat 2500*144/175 = 2057 calories
per day...

i

But I'm not a 33 year old male. I'm a soon-to-be 62 year old female and my
metabolism has slowed down over the years - yours will also.

I'm able to lose weight with a 1300-1500 daily calorie range. If I upped
the exercise I imagine I could lose on a little more. I imagine my
maintenance level will be in the 1600-1800 range. That's pretty normal for
a woman my size and age. It's not correct to say that 2500 calories per day
is what a normal person can eat. I certainly consider myself normalg

"Beverly" wrote in message
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2500 calories may be normal for a 200lb person but it's definitely not
normal for a 140lb person g If I ate that much each day I'd soon be in
the 200lb range.

Ah, true. I tend to reason like a guy whose normal (i.e. where I was at 20)
weight would be around 180lbs But the OP seems to have his (her?) goal
around that weight too, so it's not unreasonnable to assume his permanent
diet will be somewhere around that value...