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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
my take on anorexia.
some people see it as women who simply wanna lose more and more weight. but, i believe it's not really about wanting to burn away fat as ugliness. the reason why the woman keeps dieting is not to burn fat perse but ugliness. it's rooted in her psyche that what remains unappealing about her is tied to weight. so, even when she has lost alot of weight, she sees ugliness and tries to burn that away. so, she starves more. it's a kind of self-defeating process because losing weight makes one uglier. but, it's been rooted in her head that nothing good can come of gaining weight. she associates weight gain with fattiness. so, she thinks the solution to her increasing ugliness is more weight loss. so, she diets more and more. of course, her ugliness is still there-- and even growing worse and more gross--so more dieting does her no good. so, she diets even more cuz it's been seared into her skull that the only way to look less ugly is by losing more weight. it's like someone who's told that being smart is good. so he studies and studies. but, he studies too much and his head begins to get overworked and his brain gets wearier and worse. but, he thinks that only studying more and more will make him smarter so he studies more even when his brain is dead-tired and needs some rest/fun. he doesn't realize that it's the too-much-studying that is making him stupid. that TOO-MUCH-studying is actually counter-productive to being smart. anorextic person has a strong sense of ideal. if she fails to match that ideal, she gets all anxious. it's not about fat but ugliness. to gain that ideal, she tries to lose weight, thinking that losing more fat will rub out more of that ugliness. but, of course, that is not true. ugliness is still there. so she diets more and more. ugliness is still there and so on and so on. it's like someone who thinks his hand is dirty so washes it and washes it. washes it until he's rubbed all the skin off. but, then he finds flesh and he wants to wash that off to. in a way, it's like buddhism where you try to erase all illusions from consciousness. anorexia is like a purification of the self of ugliness. in a way, it's a realization that the problem isn't just the fat but muscle. it's said beauty is skin deep but it's really muscle deep. so, an ugly person equates one's muscles with ugliness and wants that gone too. with guys, it's the opposite. among guys, handsomity is equated with muscle. so, guys who are obsessive about looks go into to gym and pump iron more and more. now, this isn't as bad as dieting like a lunatic but there are major risks with guys too. there's alot of exercise related injury from too much exercise. there are too many cases of steroid use and other abuse. and just as women who are anorextic look grotesquely boney, guys who are anabolic look grotesquely brawny. they look like caricatures of manhood. again, being anabolic at least won't kill you. but, the mentality behind both anorexia and anabolia is the obsession of attaining some perfection based on some ideal. girl thinks her ugliness can be erased by losing more fat and even muscle. guy thinks his ugliness can be overcome or buried under mounds of muscle. in both cases, the main theme is ugliness. ugly is ugly, whether fat or wimpy. now, being less fat makes a naturally ugly person more attractive but not really attractive. but, there is this idea among anorexic girls that losing fat is akin to losing ugliness. oftentimes, you have an ugly girl who's overweight. she feels fat and ugly. suppose she loses some weight. by golly, she looks better. ugly and slim is, after all, better than ugly and fat. but, she gets to thinking that losing fat = better looks. so, she keeps losing weight thinking that losing more weight means she will get prettier. but, ugly is ugly. you can lose all the fat, flesh, and muscle you want. if you is ugly, you is ugly. much of it has to do with bone structure. you might as well get rid of your own bones. it's not only or really about weight but about ugliness. of course, weight itself is a major factor in determining one's sense of beauty. but, it's only a factor. when a skinny girl keeps wanting to lose weight, it's not really about losing fat. it's about losing ugliness. now, she won't confess that this is so because no girl wants to say 'i'm ugly and wanna lose my ugliness'. they say 'i'm fat and wanna lose more fat', as if losing more fat will improve her looks. but, when there is no more fat but only muscle and bones left and she still insists on losing weight, it's about losing ugliness. she's trying to purge the very structure of her face and body made of skin, muscles, and bones. she's desperate in hoping that if she makes it thru another regimen of weight loss, she'll come closer to the ideal. the problem is ugliness is ugliness and cannot be erased by loss of muscle. obvious fatness is ugly, but obvious ugliness is not fat. lots of skinny girls are ugly and there's no way they can be made to look good by losing weight. but, our society has told girls you can look better by losing weight, as if burning fat is same as burning ugliness. |
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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
Is obsessive bodybuilding in men considered a psychological illness?
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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
RSF Group wrote:
my take on anorexia. ------------------------- The popular therapeutic allegation is that anorexia is a personal control pathology of ineffective striving, but they never ask WHY someone is that way. I see western society, which is the only place anorexia occurs, and America specifically, which has the very highest rate of anorxia, as being sexually sick and repressive. What does this result in? If a girl relies on her sexual attractiveness for her total self- esteem and sense of self-worth, then she will feel unattractive if she doesn't have sexual attention from their preferred sexual partners. If she is never allowed sex, especially sex with a number of sexual partners, then the subconscious conclusion is easy for her to come by that she is pathologically unattractive and worthless! This occurs in almost every girl's life in this culture, and even if they attract boys who want to **** them, their own sexual needs are seldom met by such inexperienced partners. This has additional sub- conscious effect on her self-esteem and sense or worthlessness. In this culture FAT is labeled as the primary cause of unattractivess. The panicked effort to avoid being fat and therefore unattractive is what causes anorexia, and the perslnality attempts sick regimens of self-denial to lose weight and defeat what is perceived as unattractive- ness that stalks them at every turn. What makes it worse is that food, in this culture, is billed as the primary source of satifaction and pleasure, while sex is shamed and guilted, especially for girls!! Boys don't have this problem for several reasons: They are not as sexually oppressed, they are encouraged to have a variety of sex partners and are not guilted about their need for sex, and they are not an object of attractiveness as their only claim to self-worth, in fact, men who are regarded as attractive are often even lacadaisical about their dress and personal appearance, judging their own worth and attractiveness more by what they do than what they look like. And for men, food is not their only friend when their sex life leaves something to be desired, because they still believe that they deserve sex and masturbation is considred normal and expectdd for them. In girls these sexual problems persist even in sexual relationships, since they are endlessly paranoid as to whether they can keep their partner's attention. Even in marriage they can remain malignantly anorexic and pathological, because they still feel profound guilt at anyone finding out they have sexual desires. Sexual desire is still the most forbidden fact about women, as it attracts other males who may destroy their reliationship or sully their reputation for sexless- ness, which is cultivated by even grown women as a pseudo-virginity. All the anorexics I have known, three in my extended family and circle of acquaintances, were desterately frightened guilty little prudes, and the two who survived it have both now told me that they had to come to grips with their horny vicieral sexuality and unashamedly accept their sexual needs and desires, both for sexual satisfaction and for a variety of partners before they could get past their anorexia. They said they had to literally tell the world, society, church, and family to **** off, and that they were going to get their fully horny lascivious sexuality that THEY wanted satisfied! Steve |
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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
RSF Group wrote in alt.showbiz.gossip:
some people see it as women who simply wanna lose more and more weight. but, i believe it's not really about wanting to burn away fat as ugliness. the reason why the woman keeps dieting is not to burn fat perse but ugliness. What you believe indicates you've read none of the actual science or psychology on it. -- Brandy Alexandre The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he never would be found out. -- Thomas Babington Macaulay |
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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
On Jun 24, 4:37 am, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
RSF Group wrote: my take on anorexia. ------------------------- The popular therapeutic allegation is that anorexia is a personal control pathology of ineffective striving, but they never ask WHY someone is that way. I see western society, which is the only place anorexia occurs, and America specifically, which has the very highest rate of anorxia, as being sexually sick and repressive. What does this result in? If a girl relies on her sexual attractiveness for her total self- esteem and sense of self-worth, then she will feel unattractive if she doesn't have sexual attention from their preferred sexual partners. If she is never allowed sex, especially sex with a number of sexual partners, then the subconscious conclusion is easy for her to come by that she is pathologically unattractive and worthless! Let me ask you something.. how come you all are ready to believe that sex before marriage is not a problem and one should consider that???? Don't you see anything wrong in that... are advices such as these.. ok and productive keeping in mind the future??? Won't too much of pre-sex affect the society on a whole??? LD http://forums.familylobby.com (Your True Family Discussions) |
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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
I think anorexia is about about control, pure and simple - trying to
impose your will over the demands of the physical body. Its about hating your body and wanting to be in control totally and absolutely of all that messy and uncontrollable - and scary - biology. Mary |
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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
Bigorexia is a dumb name for the problem. Some call it muscle
dysmorphia but that's not very handy. |
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anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?
On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, RSF Group wrote:
my take on anorexia. some people see it as women who simply wanna lose more and more weight. but, i believe it's not really about wanting to burn away fat as ugliness. the reason why the woman keeps dieting is not to burn fat perse but ugliness. it's rooted in her psyche that what remains unappealing about her is tied to weight. so, even when she has lost alot of weight, she sees ugliness and tries to burn that away. so, she starves more. it's a kind of self-defeating process because losing weight makes one uglier. but, it's been rooted in her head that nothing good can come of gaining weight. she associates weight gain with fattiness. so, she thinks the solution to her increasing ugliness is more weight loss. so, she diets more and more. of course, her ugliness is still there-- and even growing worse and more gross--so more dieting does her no good. so, she diets even more cuz it's been seared into her skull that the only way to look less ugly is by losing more weight. it's like someone who's told that being smart is good. so he studies and studies. but, he studies too much and his head begins to get overworked and his brain gets wearier and worse. but, he thinks that only studying more and more will make him smarter so he studies more even when his brain is dead-tired and needs some rest/fun. he doesn't realize that it's the too-much-studying that is making him stupid. that TOO-MUCH-studying is actually counter-productive to being smart. anorextic person has a strong sense of ideal. if she fails to match that ideal, she gets all anxious. it's not about fat but ugliness. to gain that ideal, she tries to lose weight, thinking that losing more fat will rub out more of that ugliness. but, of course, that is not true. ugliness is still there. so she diets more and more. ugliness is still there and so on and so on. it's like someone who thinks his hand is dirty so washes it and washes it. washes it until he's rubbed all the skin off. but, then he finds flesh and he wants to wash that off to. in a way, it's like buddhism where you try to erase all illusions from consciousness. anorexia is like a purification of the self of ugliness. in a way, it's a realization that the problem isn't just the fat but muscle. it's said beauty is skin deep but it's really muscle deep. so, an ugly person equates one's muscles with ugliness and wants that gone too. with guys, it's the opposite. among guys, handsomity is equated with muscle. so, guys who are obsessive about looks go into to gym and pump iron more and more. now, this isn't as bad as dieting like a lunatic but there are major risks with guys too. there's alot of exercise related injury from too much exercise. there are too many cases of steroid use and other abuse. and just as women who are anorextic look grotesquely boney, guys who are anabolic look grotesquely brawny. they look like caricatures of manhood. again, being anabolic at least won't kill you. but, the mentality behind both anorexia and anabolia is the obsession of attaining some perfection based on some ideal. girl thinks her ugliness can be erased by losing more fat and even muscle. guy thinks his ugliness can be overcome or buried under mounds of muscle. in both cases, the main theme is ugliness. ugly is ugly, whether fat or wimpy. now, being less fat makes a naturally ugly person more attractive but not really attractive. but, there is this idea among anorexic girls that losing fat is akin to losing ugliness. oftentimes, you have an ugly girl who's overweight. she feels fat and ugly. suppose she loses some weight. by golly, she looks better. ugly and slim is, after all, better than ugly and fat. but, she gets to thinking that losing fat = better looks. so, she keeps losing weight thinking that losing more weight means she will get prettier. but, ugly is ugly. you can lose all the fat, flesh, and muscle you want. if you is ugly, you is ugly. much of it has to do with bone structure. you might as well get rid of your own bones. it's not only or really about weight but about ugliness. of course, weight itself is a major factor in determining one's sense of beauty. but, it's only a factor. when a skinny girl keeps wanting to lose weight, it's not really about losing fat. it's about losing ugliness. now, she won't confess that this is so because no girl wants to say 'i'm ugly and wanna lose my ugliness'. they say 'i'm fat and wanna lose more fat', as if losing more fat will improve her looks. but, when there is no more fat but only muscle and bones left and she still insists on losing weight, it's about losing ugliness. she's trying to purge the very structure of her face and body made of skin, muscles, and bones. she's desperate in hoping that if she makes it thru another regimen of weight loss, she'll come closer to the ideal. the problem is ugliness is ugliness and cannot be erased by loss of muscle. obvious fatness is ugly, but obvious ugliness is not fat. lots of skinny girls are ugly and there's no way they can be made to look good by losing weight. but, our society has told girls you can look better by losing weight, as if burning fat is same as burning ugliness. Then there are people like Rosie O'Donnell who have Anorexia Ponderosa. Last week their was a report that her shadow killed a dog! |
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