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Archon burbled across the ether:
revek wrote: Yah. That and your chest. You didn't like your chest-- too doughy you said. The only thing I said about my chest was too little muscle. Never doughy (I don't even know what you mean by doughy). Hmmm. My memory must be playing tricks again. Doughy as in like raw dough. Soft and unformed-- much like your definition of chubby. Ah, that explains a lot. The "your fatness is costing me" thing. Not really costing me, but costing society. Society is made up of people. I wouldn't get money back if nobody were fat, but the money could be spent on other health problems that are not selfinflicted, such as the mental problems that makes some people fat. Could be. But not necessarily so. It's free to have your loose belly skin removed, but you must pay thousands for treating acne. That is not right. But at least it's better than over here. Over here you pay thousands for both. Real skinniness is unhealthy Yes, but not the kind of skinniness that we are talking about here, such as Garner, Spike and me. Then it ought to be differentiated by some other word, such as slenderness. People who eat a lot can be pretty skinny, even more so than these people. I hear Calista Flockheart is natrually skinny and doesn't diet or anything. Eats like a horse and is a size zero. Still, someone that thin needs to see a doctor. I don't blame the media for causing the disease, but they do excaberate (sp?) the situation a *lot*. Some people can't handle the stress of society's perfectionism and this is one of the ways that those people cope (badly I admit)-- obsessing on their weight or overcontrolling their food. The media *could* be used to promote healthy ideas about body image, self worth, etc, but it's too easy to twist people up in knots over body odor or dandruff to make a buck or two. Even if this makes some of the people choose the anorexia way, I don't think it's one thing that makes a person "choose" that, but a whole host of little straws that end up breaking the camel's back. Media is just one-- but one that is everywhere, magazines, billboards, tv...movies even. And they have the wherewithall to do this without bankrupting themselves and garner a little positive public opinion too, so why don't they? they would have turned to other selfdestructive insanities instead, if there was no media, or try to blow up their school. I don't think so. Blowing up a school is outward directed, even if the 'stewing' takes a while to build up to critical levels. Anorexia is inward directed. Personality plays a large part in what direction behavours take and they're pretty consistant. Even serial killers fit a rigid pattern that they don't deviate from.* *mini rant follows: which is why I hate the movie seven so much. It was perfect textbook and a really great movie right up til the end when they needed a big twist and broke the character's behavioral patterns completely out of any relation to the type of serial killer he was. spit :rant over. Why yes, I spend a lot of recreational time reading about serial killers, not just 'true crime' but the really odd stuff like the psychology and profiling. I find it fun and relaxing, why do you ask? Ok, ya'll can go back to your regularly scheduled ranch dipped veggies now. -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Never have I seen a word as accurate as politics. Poly meaning many, and tic being a blood-sucking thing. |
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revek wrote:
That is not right. But at least it's better than over here. Over here you pay thousands for both. Lol! Then it ought to be differentiated by some other word, such as slenderness. That's why I want to call it "normal", reserving skinny to the unhealthy state. I hear Calista Flockheart is natrually skinny and doesn't diet or anything. Eats like a horse and is a size zero. Still, someone that thin needs to see a doctor. If it's not causing her problems other than people shouting anorexia at her (because they think it's a physical state, BMI under X), I don't see why she should. I don't think it's one thing that makes a person "choose" that, but a whole host of little straws that end up breaking the camel's back. Media is just one-- but one that is everywhere, magazines, billboards, tv...movies even. And they have the wherewithall to do this without bankrupting themselves and garner a little positive public opinion too, so why don't they? To do what without bankrupting themselves? I don't think so. Blowing up a school is outward directed, even if the 'stewing' takes a while to build up to critical levels. Anorexia is inward directed. Personality plays a large part in what direction behavours take and they're pretty consistant. Even serial killers fit a rigid pattern that they don't deviate from.* *mini rant follows: which is why I hate the movie seven so much. It was perfect textbook and a really great movie right up til the end when they needed a big twist and broke the character's behavioral patterns completely out of any relation to the type of serial killer he was. spit :rant over. Why yes, I spend a lot of recreational time reading about serial killers, not just 'true crime' but the really odd stuff like the psychology and profiling. I find it fun and relaxing, why do you ask? Ok, ya'll can go back to your regularly scheduled ranch dipped veggies now. Lol! |
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Archon burbled across the ether:
To do what without bankrupting themselves? Promote healthier body imaging and self esteem. It doesn't have to be blatant. It can be quite subtle if they care to put a little effort into it. Ok, ya'll can go back to your regularly scheduled ranch dipped veggies now. Lol! Have you seen that one? Wha'dja think? -- revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please "And to close on, the Usenet Dept. of Small Consolations. Some kibologist just figured out that if you allow for every troll and spammer and net.kook a space one KB by two you could store them all on the six hundred forty Gigabyte HDD space of the news server at zanzibar.com." |
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revek wrote:
Promote healthier body imaging and self esteem. It doesn't have to be blatant. It can be quite subtle if they care to put a little effort into it. They show many different sizes of people, not just so-called "skinny" ones. In DK there's an ad on TV about exercising 30 min per day. Have you seen that one? Wha'dja think? I've seen it, but I don't remember much of it, other than a few scenes of the mutilated sinners. I have no idea what the twist you are talking about was. |
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Internally, there's always a "good reason" for our choices. Sometimes it
just has to do with prioritizing immediate gratification over long term goals. It can be helpful in changing behavior to know why you held on to the old behavior in the first place. Then you can make conscious decisions as opposed to decisions by default (which tend to be "easiest as the moment.") Realizing that there is not an end to the goal is probably the key. I am the kind of person that would rather solve a problem quick and then go relax for awhile, rather than continue steady forever. Obviously that does not work for eating for life. South Beach gets into the "good carbs" and "bad carbs" where Atkins shuns them all. Really? I thought Atkins said you can add back in things like vegetables as long as you stay below your threshhold. That is true. What I think I meant to say is that Atkins does not really tell you to limit fat at all. And if you don't limit fat then you have to be very careful about carbs. By being more careful with fat, it should allow a bit more on the carbs (realizing that calories still count). Ah, I see. Well, I'm in my "somewhat low" carb stage right now. My Body Fat % is improving, which is my goal. My appetite is great. Energy is OK too. I don't plan to make high carb meals a regular part of my diet going forward. I just expect to have more carbs on some days than others. I had a rotisserie chicken recently and had mashed potatoes with it. I didn't consider it a failure. It is built in as something I'm going to do on an on-going basis as desired (but not regularly). I'm still staying away from things like dressing, etc. but of course that's an individual choice. Yeah, moderation is always the king. Glad your system works. I do wonder what mentally stood in your way. I'm asking you these questions because it seems (and appearances can be deceiving) that you consider LC'ing a sacrifice and something you have to force yourself to do. I still think I was one of the worst carb addicts known to mankind, but I find now that I cleaned out my system a bit, I don't miss them anywhere near as much as everyone (including me) thought I would. Maybe for you it is just the social thing of eating differently than everyone else in your family. Food for thought. I actually enjoy LC. I can't point to the one "thing" that threw me off the wagon. I guess once I got to my goal, I subconsciously thought that I was done. In reality, I had just begun! I guess I have been in the 95% of the crowd statistic that can't stick to a new WOL for that long. This time ... I need to plan for maintenance much better than I did last time. -- Dave (LC -Take II- since 2/29/04) 180/172/145 http://markson.net/lowcarb.htm (My Lowcarb Page) |
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"Archon" wrote ...
especially in a socialistic soceity. And I think people are too scared of skinniness, so they aim for something close to fat out of fear of being labelled as skinny. People look down upon skinny people. It seems these days it's more acceptable to be fat or overweight than skinny or "normal". At least in Denmark it is so. Right ... I'm moving to Denmark ... ) Rachel (still in fat-phobic New Zealand) |
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Supergoof wrote:
Right ... I'm moving to Denmark ... ) You'd have to get off the diet (and if you make a lot of money, quit your job), though, because in DK we have the Jante Law which makes everybody hate people who does something special, making the others look bad. |
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