Eating less does not result in weight loss

"Mxsmanic" :

RLW writes:

If you discount any research you don't agree with because it may be
'unreliable', how can you possibly come to any logical conclusion about
anything related to diet?

If you discount the laws of thermodynamics because they require you to
eat less, how do you expect to ever lose weight?

I was responding to the contention that all calories are the same (ie. have
the same ability to make us fat). I did not make any statement about the
laws of thermodynamics as they apply to the human body.

And what's the point of debating the subject?

Some people are interested in unbiased information.

What was biased about the journal article I quoted?

Rowena.

RLW writes:

I was responding to the contention that all calories are the same (ie. have
the same ability to make us fat).

They are.

I did not make any statement about the laws of thermodynamics
as they apply to the human body.

That is implicit in your statement above.

What was biased about the journal article I quoted?

I don't know that it was biased, but neither do I have any reason to
believe that it was useful or meaningful. Just because a study is
published in a journal doesn't mean that it is accurate or that it's
conclusions or implications are correct. There are so many studies with
so many conflicting conclusions and implications that only a general
survey of results from all studies over long periods is really worth
considering, and even that can be subject to fad and fashion to a
certain extent.

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jmk writes:

On what is this assertation based?

The fact that Europeans are generally thinner than Americans, despite
the fact that they have the same genes. This would rule out a genetic
excuse for obesity.

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jmk writes:

I thought that BMR was defined as the number of calories burned to fuel
essential bodily processes and keep organs and tissues in working order.

Yes, that's what it is.

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On 10/8/2003 8:32 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
jmk writes:


On what is this assertation based?


The fact that Europeans are generally thinner than Americans, despite
the fact that they have the same genes. This would rule out a genetic
excuse for obesity.

But they aren't generally thinner.

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:01:26 GMT, "Michael Snyder"
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"Michael Snyder" wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote in message ...
Bob Ward writes:

Eating less doesn't necessarily GUARANTEE weight loss.

It does if it results in consuming fewer calories than you burn.
Otherwise it does not.

But eating less often CAUSES you to burn less calories --
so the simple equation is obviously invalid.


You don't burn less than your BMR, no matter what you eat.

Absurd. There is no such thing as a BMR.

You seem to have some trouble with basic science Mikey. I'd love to
hear your theories on how gravity is a hoax.

If I lie in bed all day and eat, I will consume more calories
than I will if I lie in bed all day and fast.

You could have saved us all a lot of time by simply writing "duhhh"
and hitting send.

Jade

jmk writes:

But they aren't generally thinner.

They are considerably thinner. I see Americans and Europeans all the
time, and one easy way to recognize Americans is by their obesity. It
is very unusual for young Europeans (under 40) to be fat. Even the
Germans and English, who seem to be by far the fattest of the Europeans,
are still thinner than Americans.

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On 10/8/2003 10:14 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
jmk writes:


But they aren't generally thinner.


They are considerably thinner. I see Americans and Europeans all the
time, and one easy way to recognize Americans is by their obesity. It
is very unusual for young Europeans (under 40) to be fat. Even the
Germans and English, who seem to be by far the fattest of the Europeans,
are still thinner than Americans.

Perhaps I missunderstood you, do you have any citations to support this
or just your personal observation to base that one.

I think that you may have missed my previous post. If you want the
attributions, please see my earlier post, here's a summary:

Obese Americans - 33%
Overweight/Obese Australians - 56%
Obese British Men - 20%
Overweight British Men - 50%

You guys are misunderstanding each other. One person is talking about
consuming calories as in eating them, the other is talking about
consuming calories as in burning them up.



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Mxsmanic wrote:

jmk writes:

But they aren't generally thinner.

They are considerably thinner. I see Americans and Europeans all the
time, and one easy way to recognize Americans is by their obesity. It
is very unusual for young Europeans (under 40) to be fat. Even the
Germans and English, who seem to be by far the fattest of the Europeans,
are still thinner than Americans.


One thing I noticed about many people who have grown up
European (the ones I know, anyhow), they weren't given such
lame mixed signals about food as they grew up. Rich food is
rampant in France. It is so rich that a tiny serving on a plate
is enough. Look at all the olive oil in the Mediterranean countries.
The low-fat culture in North America would go into convulsions
at all the fat and rich food other cultures eat. My European friends
grew up eating sensibly and food wasn't such an "issue".

We live in a culture in which food is such an issue, and people freak
out when a normal 12 year old girl starts to fill out a bit in order for
menarche to start, (and even earlier), people are taught to be so
freaked out about food and their bodies at such a young age.