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Wesley clark just entered the race
Sorry. I gave you the last word, but I wrote this before I remembered.
HealthNutz wrote: Why a country would permit non-citizens to vote is beyond me. It is beyond you probably because you have never thought about it, and probably because you have never lived and worked for a period of years in another country. Norway recognized that all the people who live and work in Norway as residents of Norway, who pay quite high taxes to help run the country, are just like citizens of Norway, except that they don't have a Norwegian passport. You would be well advised to use the freedoms given to you and Norway by American blood and material wisely. And that should probably include at least not bad-mouthing those that gave, so that you can preen and revel in your freedom... Well, I haven't bad-mouthed anyone who gave, so I don't know what you are talking about. But the Norwegians fought right alongside the US in WWII. Quite a lot of them gave, as you say. In fact, it was Norwegians who prevented the Germans from developing the atomic bomb, but let that pass. No freedoms were given to me or the Norwegians by the US. The US ought to represent democracy and human rights much better than it is these days. You are absolutely correct on at least one point: I *don't* give a damn what the world thinks of American policies. That was my point. ...and now you have the last word. martin -- Wesley Clark for President www.AmericansForClark.com Martin Smith |
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You would be well advised to use the freedoms given to you and Norway by American blood and material wisely. And that should probably include at least not bad-mouthing those that gave, so that you can preen and revel in your freedom... Freedom isn't and wasn't yours to give. Yes there was a war, and yes, the wellbeing of many countries was in jeapordy, including the USA, from the actions of aggressors during the second world war. But please do not try and take some kind of moral high ground about selfless actions. More than 30 million people died in that war, of which 285,000 were American. That was people fighting for their freedom, experiencing invasion and occupation that has impacted on their psyches for generations. It seems to me many Americans need to travel more, and actually find out what the rest of the world is like. Even President Bush had not stepped on foreign soil when he became president. Unbelievable for such an influential person on the world stage. The USA has been acting like a big baby in a sandpit, grabbing all the toys because it can. Listen to yourself "you would be well advised to..." Big bully. You don't have a clue what other cultures are like, all you see is some strange sanitized version of what your media manipulators want you to see. Wake up!!! |
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"HealthNutz" wrote:
You would be well advised to use the freedoms given to you and Norway by American blood and material wisely. Actually, your statement above should read, "...freedoms given to you and Norway by the blood and sacrifice of the people of the USSR, Britain, France (though they were overrun), Greece, Australia, New Zealand, Norway itself and America" (and probably a whole host of people I've forgotten). Of the 30m people or so who died in WW2, around a third - 10m - were from the USSR. I don't see people in the US - have never seen them - giving credit to the Russians, who were at the time communists, for their freedom. The history of the Russians in WW2 is long and complicated, and I don't propose to go over it here, but the sacrifice can hardly be denied. -- Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/263/182) |
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"Barry Smith" wrote in message ...
"Dawn Taylor" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:32:25 -0700, "Jake" announced in front of God and everybody: Gotcha. Sorry, but I dont know a single solitary person who doesn't vote because they feel "disenfranchised" or whatever the liberal tagline is at the moment. I do, on the other hand know dozens of people who don't even know what month the election occurs in. I'm genuinely curious as to why you think that is. Seriously. Why do you think people don't care about elections? Why they don't bother to vote on measures and tax increses and the like? I submit -- and feel free to disagree -- that it's because they don't think their voices make a difference. I think a great many people have just rolled over and given up, because they believe that the vast political machine is driven not by democracy but by money and power -- and that it'll continue to be corrupt and ****ed up whether they go to the polls or not. So they shrug it off, don't bother to remember when election day is, open another beer and watch some TV. That's what I mean by "disenfranchised," by the way. I don't believe it's mere laziness -- it's ennui borne of a feeling of hopelessness. Dawn I think a lot of people believe that the major political parties are just the same.. like 2 different teams wearing different colours, but basically the same, and that whoever wins the election, nothing will really change.. Yes, you are absolutely right. They do think that. It's hard to believe they still think that after what has happened over the last 2 1/5 years though. |
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Absolutely spot-on, "Lexin". You're correct on all points.
I seem to have again run afoul of my desire to make something understandable to a liberal. I work hard at not overloading their simple-minded ability to understand and grasp reality...and sometimes over-simplify. I stand corrected and grateful that you took the time to point that out... DustyB "Lexin" wrote in message ... "HealthNutz" wrote: You would be well advised to use the freedoms given to you and Norway by American blood and material wisely. Actually, your statement above should read, "...freedoms given to you and Norway by the blood and sacrifice of the people of the USSR, Britain, France (though they were overrun), Greece, Australia, New Zealand, Norway itself and America" (and probably a whole host of people .... |
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HealthNutz,
Just so you don't waste your time, please don't bother answering any of my posts. Carmen |
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"ange" wrote in message
... .... Freedom isn't and wasn't yours to give. Yes there was a war, and yes, Nor yours to throw away to appease those that would steal it from me! Something you liberals never seem to grasp: freedom, is not free. You can not "bequeath it" to or confer it upon someone. It must be wrested from those that would deny it to you. Guarded jealously. And fought for without quarter when threatened. If it's not worth your life to get and hold freedom, then you are a waste of protoplasm and a ready stooge for the next dictator that comes along. Wiser men by far than I, have put it far more eloquently: "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."-John Stuart Mills "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams 1776 the wellbeing of many countries was in jeopardy, including the USA, from Yes. And PUT into jeopardy because other countries were staffed by feckless cowards unwilling to fight for their own freedom (that does not, of course, apply to those countries too small and weak to mount a defense against a larger, better armed aggressor), visionaries too blind to see the past, and thinkers too dulled with local and private matters to take stock that their country--nay, their whole way of life--was being threatened, UNTIL IT WAS LOST! the actions of aggressors during the second world war. But please do not try and take some kind of moral high ground about selfless actions. More than 30 million people died in that war, of which 285,000 were Yes. That is true. But, you should have added, most of those deaths were at the hands of totalitarian/socialists--the very class of people that liberals try their best to imitate, and from which they constantly seek to curry favor. So, you would have me take a "moral low ground" instead? Do you really think that by standing next to you, it would be a benefit to me? To freedom? Are you truly so naive? .... because it can. Listen to yourself "you would be well advised to..." Big bully. You don't have a clue what other cultures are like, all you see is some strange sanitized version of what your media manipulators want you to see. Wake up!!! You sound like a child, you silly-ninny. Grow up! See if you can blink through your tears enough to get a grip on freedom and liberty. Then look me in the eye and tell me that you're "okay" with losing it. BTDT; didn't like it much! If it hadn't been for the United States and her magnificent Navy during WWII, you "Kiwi's" would be eating your mutton with chopsticks today. If you like we can compare passports and count stamps, times, and dates to see who is well traveled... Later all, DustyB -- So many idiots and fools, so few comets... -= Remove CARBS to reply =- |
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No prob. I'll just wait until you have an original thought...
DustyB -- Wallow in ignorance if it suits you...you'll find the company just fine... "Carmen " wrote in message ... HealthNutz, Just so you don't waste your time, please don't bother answering any of my posts. Carmen |
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Hi,
Carmen wrote: I'm an amateur radio operator, and we're often the main means of communication left standing in cases of disasters affecting the electrical grid and/or substantial infrastructure damage. Crescent Mu_n wrote: You remind me of my brother-in-law's now deceased father. I worked with Manfred in an old, unairconditioned warehouse every summer a block or so off the Mississippi. He was Signal Corp/Anniston/McClellan/Colonel and had a basement full of ham gear. I loved that man. He was the first to bring MI to my attention, we talked for hours about his war experiences (Korea), geography and, of course, emergency management situations. He got exposed at Annistion, fought throat cancer. Carmen: Manfred sounds like he got around. :-) My "Elmer" (ham version of "mentor") has a similar background in Signal Corp, retired military too. His era was Vietnam though. Have you ever thought about getting a license? I know when you looked at Manfred's equipment you might have just seen a pile of metal with lots of knobs but there's a wide array of niches available. * Slow scan TV: passing pictures over the air via radio waves after they've been digitized. * Amateur TV: passing video over the air. * Microwave frequency work. (A ham was responsible for developing spread spectrum, frequency hopping technology.) * Satellite work - you can use amateur satellites to work long distances with low power by using the satellite as a rebroadcasting device. * APRS: Using a GPSr and amateur radio to create a "tracking system". * PSK31: Uses radio waves to pass text information realtime over the air from one computer to another. * Talk to the International Space Station. * Fox Hunts: A transponder is hidden that emits a signal and using triangulation techniques is hunted down. * Morse Code or CW: This is still a viable option that's capable of punching messages through on low power over long distances. I know I probably sound like a recruiter, but it really is a good hobby, although depending on what one does with it it can become a great deal more. :-) Carmen wrote: I'm an Army MARS operator, so the 16 line format used for messages is familiar to me, but for the vast majority of hams who were never military or aren't involved with MARS it teaches things like that as well. Useful training, and it will stand communities in good stead for the usual disasters, not just terrorist attacks. Crescent Mu_n wrote: Your service is appreciated. I'm sure Sarge is proud of you. Where in Tennessee? You don't have to answer. Carmen: Sarge and I have similar outlooks on this sort of thing - the pride is mutual. We live in Clarksville, which is one of the communities that surrounds Fort Campbell. It's about 45 minutes north of Nashville. In reference to PDF417 codes on drivers' licenses Crescent Mu_n wrote: Guess who has figured out how to stuff your fingerprint, encrypted, into that format? Guess who has figured out how to stuff your DNA encoding, encrypted, into that format? Carmen: Um, let me guess. The military branch of the gov't? I know that the DNA samples they took from military folks can be used to positively identify remains in the case of deaths that cause massive tissue destruction like plane crashes, but it's the other possible uses that give me pause. Sometimes it would be nice not to think so much.... Take care, Carmen |
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