'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in message
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This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of

In article , Diarmid
Logan wrote:
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'


Recent research has made it very clear.
We are almost all living on a STATIN deficient diet.
Your kids should "eat their 'LIPITIES' " if they want to grow up healthy,
and be sports heroes.

MikeV

How stupid can it get!!! Get them out the door to exercise
and don't take them to McDonald's and make them eat fruit
instead of chips. There is not long-term data on Atkins
and it's dangerous to do something to kids that isn't
adequately tested on adults.

Diarmid Logan wrote:

It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in message
...
This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all.

i

In article , Diarmid
Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

The real problem lies with the parents and the pre-schools and government
schools -- and the way they create early bad eating habits in their
children.

My 19-month old grand-daughter, who is being raised by fitness-oriented
parents and grand-parents, was never fed canned baby food and almost never
encounters any food with added sugar or salt. Her favorite foods are
grilled or baked sweet potatoes, lean chicken & fish, vegetables, including
broccoli, green beans and a variety of salad items, and many fruits,
including strawberries and blueberries. She eats the fruits but does not
drink the juice without the fiber. She's crazy about unsalted pumpkin
seeds.

She never even sees "fast" foods, potato chips, salty snacks, sugary cereal
and the like. Now that she has stopped nursing, she does drink a little cow
milk, at her parents' house, but also loves the unsweetened soy milk with
added calcium that she gets at our house.

So, it seems to me that kids are just learning the bad eating habits from
their parents. Just about anyone loves sweets, for example, because we're
programming through natural selection to love them. But sweets are
food-attractants and, even if they had no other bad effects (which they do),
they would make you fat just by attracting you to food. Kids get into the
sweet habit early because their parents feed them sweets and addict them.
Their parents eat sweets because their parents did. And everybody eats them
(and all the other bad foods out there) because the food industry is
constantly propagandizing us to eat more and more of them.

Slowly but surely changing people's perceptions of what are the "good" and
"bad" foods is probably a better answer. Unfortunately, eating good food is
a hassle, compared to grabbing off the shelf what you see and giving your
kid what he asks for, based on what his friends eat or what he's seen on TV.
And people generally want as close to "something for nothing" as they can
get. They just won't make the effort.

mack
austin

"Diarmid Logan" wrote in message
om...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

Ignoramus21819 wrote:

This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

Also, I think Atkinsing them is a bandaid solution. My very strong
opinion is that kids watch too much television, not only is it a
passive entertainment, but they are exposed to a lot of advertising
(unless a parent babysits the remote, and uses mute, but there's still
the visual appeal). My children aren't even aware of the existence
of half the junk products out there because they don't watch
television. They're blissfully ignorant of it for the most part, but
when they do happen to see junk products in the store, I simply
say "that's crap, and I won't buy it". They take my word for it
because they aren't foundationally drip-fed the idea that it's
good via creative jingles and funny clowns and popular cartoon
characters telling them so.

Take the kids out on field trips, let them run around in the play
ground like the good ole days, and feed them real food. Limit
their candy store spending sprees to practically zero. It makes
me sick to see kids coming home from school with a "meal" of
one bag of chips, a sugary beverage, and then for dessert, a
large candy bar. Then they're fed kraft dinner for supper and
allowed to snack on cookies all day.

I believe it's every parents responsibility to teach their children
good habits from babyhood up. It's a strong stand to take because
in our culture the mentality of "my kids can't have a real childhood
unless they have [insert lame excuse for food here]" is very
prevalent. I get the eyeroll occasionally for placing limits on what
and how much junk goes into my kid's bodies, but if I let other
people's opinions dictate how I raise my children, I might as well
not have kids. It's my job.

Now, my children DO get some candy, cake, and ice cream on
occasion, but it's RARE. Last year for my son's birthday we bought
one litre (almost a quart) of ice cream. We have 5 kids and it took
a couple of months to get through it all. We kept forgetting it
was in the freezer!

I know some families with fewer kids who could make shorter work
of a larger tub of ice cream.

Summary: Limit the crap, feed them real, nourishing food, and let
them use their energy!

My strong opinion, feel free to differ.

CM

Atkins doesn't need to be high fat. However i just put my garndchildren
on a more balanced program with modest amounts of bread, rice and
potatoes and included a couple of Social Tea cookies which are like
baby Arrowroot cookies.

In article , Ignoramus21819
wrote:

This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all.

i

In article , Diarmid Logan
wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

"Patricia Heil" wrote in message
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How stupid can it get!!! Get them out the door to exercise
and don't take them to McDonald's and make them eat fruit
instead of chips. There is not long-term data on Atkins
and it's dangerous to do something to kids that isn't
adequately tested on adults.


I agree. I wasn't sitting around watching TV and playing video games like
kids are doing today. I can't believe how lazy kids are these days. They
would rather sit and pretend they are playing a sport than actually going
out and doing it. I used to eat ice cream all the time and not worry about
anything because of my activity level as a kid. On top of all this is the
food kids are eating. Parents are not cooking, they are just throwing
things in a microwave or many times letting the kids make their own food.

Sad state that everyone is in such a rush to do what amounts to nothing
instead of taking care of what really matters. Get out and ride a bike with
your kids and get off the cell phone.

JMHO,
Curt

(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message . com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

Great example of good doctors learning the true basis of weight
management in spite of the nonsense propounded by industry shills.

Dr Toni Steer is a colleague of the flour queen Dr. Susan jebb:

http://www.fabflour.co.uk/News_weightloss.asp

"The Flour Advisory Bureau (FAB) and the Grain Information Service
(GIS) today launch a new review showing that overweight people who
adopt a range of proven health strategies can lose weight and cut the
risk of developing diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Tackling the
Weight of the Nation, a peer-reviewed report produced by Dr Susan Jebb
and Dr Toni Steer of MRC Human Nutrition Research in Cambridge,
highlights that without urgent and effective action, 3 out of 10
adults in the UK will be obese by the end of the decade."

......

"Alex Waugh, Director General of the Grain Information Service said,
"This independent report pulls together the very extensive research in
relation to low-fat, high carbohydrate diets and shows conclusively
that an effective, realistic and achievable strategy for long-term
weight management with clear health benefits does exist."

Of course Dr Toni Steer suggests that we restrict fat and increase
carbs to lose weight.


But she admits that refined carbs are no good:

http://www.diet-i.com/low-carb-diets-nutrition.htm

quote *************
Unrefined Carbs Best

She recommends choosing foods that are as unrefined as possible, such
as whole oats, pasta, whole grain bread, and long grain rice, rather
than sweetened cereal or pastry. Foods such as yoghurt should ideally
be sweetened naturally with fruit rather than sugar.

And carbohydrates do not just provide energy. According to Dr Jebb's
colleague, nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, they also contain vital
nutrients.

"They have essential B vitamins like thiamine and folates. A lot of
these vitamins have a role in energy metabolism in the body.
************ endquote

Refined carbs do not contain these vitamins. They are removed in the
refining process.

Here she shows her true colors:

http://www.pharmj.com/pdf/_donotinde...0823_news3.pdf

Without any long term evidence to back up her claims ahe says that
low-carb is dangerous. So much for scientific integrity.

But we all know what they are up to:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...835015,00.html

Just another industry shill earning her keep by selling out on her
professional integrity.

TC

What about controlling the food eaten by what the parent puts in front of
the children. Over eating and choosing a greater proportion of junck
foods is the problem, not rearranging the food deckchairs on the titanic.
If low carb gets weight off more quickly, fine, then the real world and
real lifestyle choices will have to begin, including the moderate use of
all food groups to keep within a calorie requirement range and including
the nutrition elements required for good health.