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Old August 14th, 2011, 08:46 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 14/08/11 2:27 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
Who_me? wrote:

The high
incidence of kidney problems alone among those who rigidly adhere to Atkins
should be enough to warn most people off.


I considered a larger point by point reply but the above is all that
really needs to be addressed. There are a handfull of signs that
someone is here just to troll.


If disagreeing with those who have a closed minded viewpoint is trolling
then yes, I am trolling.

One is confusing the ketosis of a
successful hunter with the ketoacidosis of a diabetic.


One isn't at all.

One is lying
about Dr Atkins being overweight when he slipped on the ice and broke
his skull.


Who mentioned Atkins death?

One is mention of kidney problems. One is competitive body
builders or marathoners complaining that a plan that is explicitly not
for them is somehow flawed because it's beneficial for the other 99%
of the population because they think what works for 1% must be good
for the other 99%.


Think carefully about something. This is NOT an Atkins newsgroup, it is a
low carb newsgroup and there are all degrees of low carb. I am a low card
enthusiast, I blame the ubiquitous high carb food availability for most
obesity, most people eat far too much of it. That does not mean that the
reverse must apply. A diet that is much lower in carbs, one that avoids
processed carbs and only accepts carbs from healthy amounts of fresh foods
and vegetables is sufficient to allow for a healthy body mass and
sufficient energy to maintain fitness.

You do not need to go into Ketosis, is gains you nothing in a real sense.



In the 1970s when the Atkins plan well new the AMA went after him about
kidney damage. His defense was simple - Show even one single case of
new kidney damage by a person who did not have previous kidney damage
who followed the directions in his books.


It was a defence that didn't work, there were and still are a great many
people who have suffered damage that could have been avoided if they had
not dropped to a dangerous level of carb intake. Claiming that they already
had some degree of damage is disingenuous as all people have varying
degrees of kidney efficiency loss, particularly those who have no cared for
their health with regard to diet and exercise. When was the last time that
you had a full work-up?

Three decades later Dr Atkins
slipped on the ice walking to work, at a weight that was arguably
somewhere between ideal or a bit below ideal for his height and build,
broke his skull, and died as a result of brain damage from that fall.
He died with his medical license current because the AMA never did come
up with a single case. Not one single case in three decades. Your
claim of kidney problems is nonsense.

So I call BS on you two ways. Falsehoods about kidneys.


Kidney problems on low carb diets are well known and discussed. It is not a
falsehood at all, it is a risk and one that is much higher if a person who
already has a small degree of kidney failure goes low carb. The only
bull**** here is from people like you who are in denial about Atkins who
think taht he was some type of miracle worker. He didn't develop "his"
diet, he just promoted it for financial reward. Diets like it have been
around since the eighteen hundreds.

Also, Atkins WAS fat when he died, there had been a degree of controversy
when photos showing him to be overweight surfaced in the months before he
died. Not so unusual - have you seen the fat photos of Jenny Craig?

Irrelevancies about competitive body builders.


Why irrelevant? It isn't just people who are fat who look for optimum diets
- people like me are just as relevant as people like you. If a diet is
damaging to an athlete of any type, then it is not a good long term idea
for anyone.

In fact plenty of competitive body builders use a cycle process of 5-12
days of lower carb than the Atkins process would have them at and 2
days of reversed low fat low carb. The very low carb because it
reduces body fat without muscle mass loss and because it keeps water
retention low.



Body builders only drop carbs immediately before competition to increase
definition, they don't do it while training. Get your facts right.

 




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