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You want PROOF - Here's Quackery Proof.
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:58:29 -0500,
wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:41 -0400, Sleepyman wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:03:12 -0500, wrote: Here PROOF - Atkins is a QUACK. This is on the web.... --- Sure Atkins was a quack. Your problem in trying to prove the case, is to post articles that are written by people with obvious agendas. Way too obvious. Science is hard to find as there has been no long term testing done on his "diet". The best was a one year low carb v low fat diet that after 6 months had Atkins ahead in weight loss, lipids and cholesterol numbers. Funny thing was, after a year, the low fat people had pulled into a statistical dead heat with the low carbers, in all categories. SM ____________________________________ The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld ____________________________________ To these people, there is no proving anything. It's already too late for most of them. The thing to do is to prevent others from getting started on this so called diet. The thing on this newsgroup is that the majority of them would not even budge from their catatonic state of brainwashing if someone dropped dead right in front of them because of the diet. I bet if Jesus Christ appeared and told them they were on the wrong road, they'd choose the word of Atkins over that of Jesus. Most of them on this group are in that babbling idiot stage, where nothing penetrates their brains any longer, except the almighty words of Atkins. I know it all too well from my ex-wife. Hell, she got so bad, that if she ate something that is not "Atkins approved", like a few french fries, she go to the drugstore and buy some syrup crap, that would make her vomit. If nothing else, that was the part that made me make my final decision to leave her. This Atkins diet is far beyond being a diet, it's complete control of a person, it's an illness, particularly a mental illness, and it's so very obviously a cult. Trying to make any sense with these people is a complete waste of time. It was the same thing with my ex. But I have learned a lot about this illness on this newsgroup. If nothing else, I have learned there is no hope for the majority of them, who are strictly Atkins. I will give a few of them the benefit of the doubt, but those few appear more interested in low-carb, but not actually Atkins. I can see now there is a difference in both the diet, and the person following it. Unfortunately my ex was totally Atkins. At the same time, I wonder how many of those who are (as they put it), doing a low-carb diet but not actually the Atkins diet, will end up being drawn into the Atkins cult? It's pretty scarey when you think how one man (one dead man), can have so much power to control and destroy the lives of so many thousands of people, and even get into mainstream advertising, such as the Subway commercials. But there will always be someone out to control the weak minded individuals in society, and destroy their lives. I've never quite understood how someone like David Koresh could brainwash all those kids, to the point of burning to their deaths, or whoever it was that caused that "Heavens Gate" insanity. I often wonder if these cults are designed to recruit more suicide terrorists, because who in their right minds would fly a plane into a building, killing themselves and everyone else. Yet, when I think about this, I can easily see where using a diet would be one of the best tools to use to brainwash people. If the body isnt working right, then the brain wont work right either. Then add some chemicals, call it a "diet supplement", and you got control of these people, and can manipulate them as desired. It's all very scarey, almost something you'd only expect to read in a science fiction book. Yet, its happening right before our very eyes. While I think there are many who believe atkins is a god, and his words should be followed as a fundie thinks the bible is the literal translation of god's word, there are some valid points he made, (I am sure by accident). I am sorry to say that it sounds to me that your wife's problems are more mental, than atkins. She sounds like an obsessive/compulsive personality to me. This is merely my opinion. I think if she hadn't gotten on the atkins bandwagon, it would have been something else. Could have been natural healing, the bible, the koran, macrobiotics, PETA, or anything. In her case it was atkins. Your tactics aren't helping your cause. The hysterical, and offbase posts that are as badly biased as the worst atkins' kook posts, are not doing any good. There are plenty of legitimate arguments with atkins. I suggest you try some of these. I have to low carb being diabetic, but I would never go as extremist as a lot of people who post here. I think the atkins jihad is doomed to bring you disappointment and more bitterness. The one good thing for you to remember is that atkins has one of the highest dropout rate of any "diet" Most people smarten up eventually. And the "low carb" fad in stores and restaurants, is fading fast. The ones you see jumping on the bandwagon now, are the slow reactors. They are doomed to failure also. Sleepy ____________________________________ The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld ____________________________________ |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:15:01 GMT, "marengo"
wrote: Sleepyman wrote: | On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:00:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote: | || I agree, but what if someone who wasn't a newsgroup regular and was || just looking here thinking of doing low-carb sees someone telling || someone else to do it or die. That's all, no need to turn it into || something else. || | Most of the people here are cultists. Logic is meaningless to them. | There is only one way, "their" way, and no other thought is allowed. | So if you don't do it their way you are a troll. Good v Evil rules | here. | | Sleepy | | ____________________________________ | The True Axis of Evil | Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld | ____________________________________ You have it bass-ackwards. It was the moron troll who came into the low-carb newsgroup and said that we were all stupid and hopeless because we do a low-carb way of eating. I, nor anyone selse, went into HIS support group and said these things. Why in the name of hell do these idiots hang around alt.support.low-carb if they (a) are against low-carbing, and (b) are here to tear down, not support, and (c) have absolutely nothing constructive to contribute? While I've killfiled Chrono and Normal, it's unfortunate that thei negative, condemnatory posts keep being copied and repeated by others. I personally don't give a rats ass what some stranger eats. But if they come into our support group to disrupt and preach hatred, then it becomes personal and the trolls are fair game. The name of this group mentions low carb. NOT atkins. I am a diabetic. I have to low carb. I come here looking for new ideas. But because I don't believe what you believe, I am labeled. Luckily it doesn't bother me, as I consider the source. Your Pal, Sleepy ____________________________________ The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld ____________________________________ |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:36:52 -0700, Karen Rodgers
wrote: On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:15:01 GMT, "marengo" wrote: Why in the name of hell do these idiots hang around alt.support.low-carb if they (a) are against low-carbing, and (b) are here to tear down, not support, and (c) have absolutely nothing constructive to contribute? It starts with boredom, then add in an axe to grind. Stir in the illusion of being annonymous, and you get trolls. The general idea is to stir up the hornet's nest to see what happens. My guess is that it's a moron from the fat acceptance newsgroup who found us through some other trolling idiot's crosspost. Unfortunately, here, the hornets are smarter and faster than he expected. The first appearence of our main troll (whom you have nicknamed "Normal" though he's proven himself to be anything but..) posting through extra.newsguy.com, seems to have made his first post in late March under "luvmycarbs" or something like that. Starting with the post "Atkins is a quack" then moving on to the ever so astute observation, "Atkins is Dead." Morphed a few times did stupid stuff, acted like a militant vegan/PETA moron, morphed again, and is now posting screaming, angry posts that Atkins destroyed his marriage, that we are cultists, and/or brainwashed. Before that he was claiming that the late Dr. Atkins was in the pocket of the cattle industry, and/or that his children are making tons of money off of his name. He seems to be a glutton for punishment, he keeps getting soundly trounced with facts, and he keeps coming back for more. (Not unlike daring hornets to sting you, again, and again, and again, and then having the nerve to be surprised when they do.) Now he's calling us trolls in our own newsgroup. Doesn't understand (or pretends not to) the basic rules of netiquette, doesn't understand (or pretends not to) what "troll" means in usenet, and generally acting like an ass. Your killfile may get pretty full of his sockpuppets before he crawls back under a rock. Sooner, or later this too, shall pass. While I've killfiled Chrono and Normal, it's unfortunate that thei negative, condemnatory posts keep being copied and repeated by others. Well, that's usenet for you. Nothing says that you have to keep reading the thread once you figure out who started it. I personally don't give a rats ass what some stranger eats. But if they come into our support group to disrupt and preach hatred, then it becomes personal and the trolls are fair game. Neatly summed up, it's funny how the trolls never seem to see it that way. You might want to add Sleepyman to your list. Seems to be pretty anti low carb (doen't post much. Why he's here, who knows?), but less overtly obnoxious than our new resident loon. Loony boy (aka Normal) almost makes me miss the Mu/Chung vs. Bob wars. Karen Rodgers ********** Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address ********** If I upset you so much, for not being a member of the local extremist cult, please do add me to your list. You will miss me though! BTW Peter says he plonked me already. He still seems to reply to my posts though. Oh ya, if you would like, I can ratchet up the obnoxious level. Your Pal, Sleepy ____________________________________ The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld ____________________________________ |
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:52:39 -0500, "revek"
wrote: Karen Rodgers burbled across the ether: You might want to add Sleepyman to your list. Seems to be pretty anti low carb (doen't post much. Anti-Atkins and Bernstien actually. He claims to be lowcarbing himself. Why he's here, who knows?), We polluted his beloved diabetes group with crossposts. You polluted my diabetes group with OT troll crossposts. You seem to have learned your lesson though! So he's going to make us "pay" by hanging out here deliberately annoying us with his low opinions on Atkins and Bernstien, and anybody who doesn't kiss his ass. but less overtly obnoxious than our new resident loon. Loony boy (aka Normal) almost makes me miss the Mu/Chung vs. Bob wars. Bite your tongue! Please feel free to kiss my ass whenever you feel like it. Hate to throw a few other thoughts at you diet fundamentalists. Doesn't fit into your preconceived notions. Your Pal, Sleepy ____________________________________ The True Axis of Evil Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld ____________________________________ |
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Oh geez, ANOTHER moron juvenile troll who has no life other than to try to
distupr support groups. *PLONK* Yep, I don't believe what you choose to believe, ergo I am a troll. I won't be able to sleep tonight because you said that and hurt my feeling. I thought you plonked me a long time ago? Well I'll miss you! (wipes tear from eye) Your Pal, Sleepy Sleepy, tell me you aint a troll? I never woulda thought it. ::Throwing some tissues your way:: |
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Brainwashing, and low carb diets (Long post)
I can't believe there are still people out here bashing the Atkins way
of life. Yes, it may not be for everyone. But that would be your own MEDICAL condition that would make it not for you. I have seen to many people and have talked to my three different doctors about Atkins. I have lost 35 pounds and my 13 year old son has lost 28 pounds. We have consulted our doctors every step of the way. If you do not have the will power or if you have not reached the "this is enough" stage in your own weight struggle that is your demon, but lay off of the people who have made changes, responsible changes in their own life. I am proud to say that I am on atkins, my son is on atkins and my other tall and skinny son is also eating what we eat and all of us are healthier, happier and we look marvelous!!! |
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