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Old April 10th, 2004, 09:15 AM
Sleepyman
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:58:29 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:55:41 -0400, Sleepyman wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:03:12 -0500,

wrote:

Here PROOF - Atkins is a QUACK. This is on the web....

---

Sure Atkins was a quack. Your problem in trying to prove the case, is
to post articles that are written by people with obvious agendas. Way
too obvious. Science is hard to find as there has been no long term
testing done on his "diet". The best was a one year low carb v low fat
diet that after 6 months had Atkins ahead in weight loss, lipids and
cholesterol numbers. Funny thing was, after a year, the low fat people
had pulled into a statistical dead heat with the low carbers, in all
categories.

SM



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To these people, there is no proving anything. It's already too late
for most of them. The thing to do is to prevent others from getting
started on this so called diet. The thing on this newsgroup is that
the majority of them would not even budge from their catatonic state
of brainwashing if someone dropped dead right in front of them because
of the diet. I bet if Jesus Christ appeared and told them they were
on the wrong road, they'd choose the word of Atkins over that of
Jesus. Most of them on this group are in that babbling idiot stage,
where nothing penetrates their brains any longer, except the almighty
words of Atkins. I know it all too well from my ex-wife. Hell, she
got so bad, that if she ate something that is not "Atkins approved",
like a few french fries, she go to the drugstore and buy some syrup
crap, that would make her vomit. If nothing else, that was the part
that made me make my final decision to leave her. This Atkins diet is
far beyond being a diet, it's complete control of a person, it's an
illness, particularly a mental illness, and it's so very obviously a
cult.

Trying to make any sense with these people is a complete waste of
time. It was the same thing with my ex. But I have learned a lot
about this illness on this newsgroup. If nothing else, I have learned
there is no hope for the majority of them, who are strictly Atkins. I
will give a few of them the benefit of the doubt, but those few appear
more interested in low-carb, but not actually Atkins. I can see now
there is a difference in both the diet, and the person following it.
Unfortunately my ex was totally Atkins. At the same time, I wonder
how many of those who are (as they put it), doing a low-carb diet but
not actually the Atkins diet, will end up being drawn into the Atkins
cult?

It's pretty scarey when you think how one man (one dead man), can have
so much power to control and destroy the lives of so many thousands of
people, and even get into mainstream advertising, such as the Subway
commercials. But there will always be someone out to control the weak
minded individuals in society, and destroy their lives. I've never
quite understood how someone like David Koresh could brainwash all
those kids, to the point of burning to their deaths, or whoever it was
that caused that "Heavens Gate" insanity. I often wonder if these
cults are designed to recruit more suicide terrorists, because who in
their right minds would fly a plane into a building, killing
themselves and everyone else. Yet, when I think about this, I can
easily see where using a diet would be one of the best tools to use to
brainwash people. If the body isnt working right, then the brain wont
work right either. Then add some chemicals, call it a "diet
supplement", and you got control of these people, and can manipulate
them as desired. It's all very scarey, almost something you'd only
expect to read in a science fiction book. Yet, its happening right
before our very eyes.

While I think there are many who believe atkins is a god, and his
words should be followed as a fundie thinks the bible is the literal
translation of god's word, there are some valid points he made, (I am
sure by accident).
I am sorry to say that it sounds to me that your wife's problems are
more mental, than atkins. She sounds like an obsessive/compulsive
personality to me. This is merely my opinion. I think if she hadn't
gotten on the atkins bandwagon, it would have been something else.
Could have been natural healing, the bible, the koran, macrobiotics,
PETA, or anything. In her case it was atkins.
Your tactics aren't helping your cause. The hysterical, and offbase
posts that are as badly biased as the worst atkins' kook posts, are
not doing any good. There are plenty of legitimate arguments with
atkins. I suggest you try some of these. I have to low carb being
diabetic, but I would never go as extremist as a lot of people who
post here. I think the atkins jihad is doomed to bring you
disappointment and more bitterness. The one good thing for you to
remember is that atkins has one of the highest dropout rate of any
"diet" Most people smarten up eventually. And the "low carb" fad in
stores and restaurants, is fading fast. The ones you see jumping on
the bandwagon now, are the slow reactors. They are doomed to failure
also.

Sleepy

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Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
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  #83  
Old April 10th, 2004, 09:21 AM
Sleepyman
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:15:01 GMT, "marengo"
wrote:

Sleepyman wrote:
| On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 04:00:09 GMT, "Chrono-Z" wrote:
|
|| I agree, but what if someone who wasn't a newsgroup regular and was
|| just looking here thinking of doing low-carb sees someone telling
|| someone else to do it or die. That's all, no need to turn it into
|| something else.
||
| Most of the people here are cultists. Logic is meaningless to them.
| There is only one way, "their" way, and no other thought is allowed.
| So if you don't do it their way you are a troll. Good v Evil rules
| here.
|
| Sleepy
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| ____________________________________
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| Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
| ____________________________________

You have it bass-ackwards.

It was the moron troll who came into the low-carb newsgroup and said that we
were all stupid and hopeless because we do a low-carb way of eating. I, nor
anyone selse, went into HIS support group and said these things.

Why in the name of hell do these idiots hang around alt.support.low-carb if
they (a) are against low-carbing, and (b) are here to tear down, not
support, and (c) have absolutely nothing constructive to contribute?

While I've killfiled Chrono and Normal, it's unfortunate that thei
negative, condemnatory posts keep being copied and repeated by others.

I personally don't give a rats ass what some stranger eats. But if they
come into our support group to disrupt and preach hatred, then it becomes
personal and the trolls are fair game.


The name of this group mentions low carb. NOT atkins. I am a diabetic.
I have to low carb. I come here looking for new ideas. But because I
don't believe what you believe, I am labeled. Luckily it doesn't
bother me, as I consider the source.

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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  #84  
Old April 10th, 2004, 09:32 AM
Sleepyman
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:36:52 -0700, Karen Rodgers
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:15:01 GMT, "marengo"
wrote:

Why in the name of hell do these idiots hang around alt.support.low-carb if
they (a) are against low-carbing, and (b) are here to tear down, not
support, and (c) have absolutely nothing constructive to contribute?


It starts with boredom, then add in an axe to grind. Stir in the
illusion of being annonymous, and you get trolls. The general idea is
to stir up the hornet's nest to see what happens. My guess is that
it's a moron from the fat acceptance newsgroup who found us through
some other trolling idiot's crosspost.

Unfortunately, here, the hornets are smarter and faster than he
expected. The first appearence of our main troll (whom you have
nicknamed "Normal" though he's proven himself to be anything but..)
posting through extra.newsguy.com, seems to have made his first post
in late March under "luvmycarbs" or something like that. Starting
with the post "Atkins is a quack" then moving on to the ever so astute
observation, "Atkins is Dead." Morphed a few times did stupid stuff,
acted like a militant vegan/PETA moron, morphed again, and is now
posting screaming, angry posts that Atkins destroyed his marriage,
that we are cultists, and/or brainwashed. Before that he was claiming
that the late Dr. Atkins was in the pocket of the cattle industry,
and/or that his children are making tons of money off of his name.

He seems to be a glutton for punishment, he keeps getting soundly
trounced with facts, and he keeps coming back for more. (Not unlike
daring hornets to sting you, again, and again, and again, and then
having the nerve to be surprised when they do.) Now he's calling us
trolls in our own newsgroup. Doesn't understand (or pretends not to)
the basic rules of netiquette, doesn't understand (or pretends not to)
what "troll" means in usenet, and generally acting like an ass. Your
killfile may get pretty full of his sockpuppets before he crawls back
under a rock. Sooner, or later this too, shall pass.

While I've killfiled Chrono and Normal, it's unfortunate that thei
negative, condemnatory posts keep being copied and repeated by others.


Well, that's usenet for you. Nothing says that you have to keep
reading the thread once you figure out who started it.

I personally don't give a rats ass what some stranger eats. But if they
come into our support group to disrupt and preach hatred, then it becomes
personal and the trolls are fair game.


Neatly summed up, it's funny how the trolls never seem to see it that
way.

You might want to add Sleepyman to your list. Seems to be pretty anti
low carb (doen't post much. Why he's here, who knows?), but less
overtly obnoxious than our new resident loon. Loony boy (aka Normal)
almost makes me miss the Mu/Chung vs. Bob wars.

Karen Rodgers

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http://www.windbourne.com/
remove "_rice_" from my email address
**********


If I upset you so much, for not being a member of the local extremist
cult, please do add me to your list. You will miss me though! BTW
Peter says he plonked me already. He still seems to reply to my posts
though. Oh ya, if you would like, I can ratchet up the obnoxious
level.

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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Bush - Cheney - Ashcroft - Rumsfeld
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  #85  
Old April 10th, 2004, 09:37 AM
Sleepyman
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:52:39 -0500, "revek"
wrote:

Karen Rodgers burbled across the ether:
You might want to add Sleepyman to your list. Seems to be pretty anti
low carb (doen't post much.


Anti-Atkins and Bernstien actually. He claims to be lowcarbing himself.

Why he's here, who knows?),


We polluted his beloved diabetes group with crossposts.


You polluted my diabetes group with OT troll crossposts. You seem to
have learned your lesson though!

So he's going
to make us "pay" by hanging out here deliberately annoying us with his
low opinions on Atkins and Bernstien, and anybody who doesn't kiss his
ass.


but less
overtly obnoxious than our new resident loon. Loony boy (aka Normal)
almost makes me miss the Mu/Chung vs. Bob wars.


Bite your tongue!


Please feel free to kiss my ass whenever you feel like it. Hate to
throw a few other thoughts at you diet fundamentalists. Doesn't fit
into your preconceived notions.

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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  #86  
Old April 10th, 2004, 09:53 AM
Sunshyne
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Oh geez, ANOTHER moron juvenile troll who has no life other than to try to
distupr support groups.

*PLONK*


Yep, I don't believe what you choose to believe, ergo I am a troll. I
won't be able to sleep tonight because you said that and hurt my
feeling. I thought you plonked me a long time ago? Well I'll miss you!
(wipes tear from eye)

Your Pal,

Sleepy

Sleepy, tell me you aint a troll? I never woulda thought it.

::Throwing some tissues your way::





  #87  
Old April 10th, 2004, 06:56 PM
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This is what Normie wrote:
On 10-Apr-2004, wrote:

I went to the local grocery store yesterday, right inside the front
doors was a huge banner that said something about Atkins diet
supplies. Instead of shopping as I had inteneded, I immediately
walked up to the customer service counter. I asked to speak to a
manager. When he arrived, I told him that I have been a customer
for many years, and I will not return to this store again. When he
asked why, I pointed to that banner. I told him exactly how I feel
about
Atkins, his diet, and his cult. I told him that if he is
advertising a diet that the AMA and most doctors believe is
dangerous to ones
health, causing clogged arteries, heart attacks, and mental health
problems. I went on to tell him that he is not looking out for the
health of his customers, by advertising the Atkins diet, but instead
is selling out to greed. I further told him that he will be
receiving this in writing, and so will his boss at the top of the
company
chain. And just to make my point real clear, I whipped out a few
20's from
my wallet, and said "I had intended to spend these here, instead
I'll
spend them at _______ (other local grocery). Then I walked out the
store.


Translation:
"The other day I walked into a grocery store that I'd been frequenting
for years. The presence of an advertising banner for Atkins' products
brought a haze of red across my eyes and I began to froth at the
mouth. I went up to the customer service desk and began to rant
incoherently about Atkins, cults, the FBI, aliens and mind control
chemicals placed in Girl Scout cookies across the country by the
Rosicrucians. The manager backed away, smiled nervously and assured
me that my concerns would be taken into consideration. By this time a
crowd of bag boys had gathered and a brief flash of common sense
caused me to realize that several of them were roughly the size of NFL
linebackers so I'd better run. I got away by pushing an elderly woman
into a crowd of children. Whew."

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  #88  
Old April 10th, 2004, 06:59 PM
JC Der Koenig
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"Carmen" wrote in message
...
This is what Normie wrote:
On 10-Apr-2004, wrote:

I went to the local grocery store yesterday, right inside the front
doors was a huge banner that said something about Atkins diet
supplies. Instead of shopping as I had inteneded, I immediately
walked up to the customer service counter. I asked to speak to a
manager. When he arrived, I told him that I have been a customer
for many years, and I will not return to this store again. When he
asked why, I pointed to that banner. I told him exactly how I feel
about
Atkins, his diet, and his cult. I told him that if he is
advertising a diet that the AMA and most doctors believe is
dangerous to ones
health, causing clogged arteries, heart attacks, and mental health
problems. I went on to tell him that he is not looking out for the
health of his customers, by advertising the Atkins diet, but instead
is selling out to greed. I further told him that he will be
receiving this in writing, and so will his boss at the top of the
company
chain. And just to make my point real clear, I whipped out a few
20's from
my wallet, and said "I had intended to spend these here, instead
I'll
spend them at _______ (other local grocery). Then I walked out the
store.


Translation:
"The other day I walked into a grocery store that I'd been frequenting
for years. The presence of an advertising banner for Atkins' products
brought a haze of red across my eyes and I began to froth at the
mouth. I went up to the customer service desk and began to rant
incoherently about Atkins, cults, the FBI, aliens and mind control
chemicals placed in Girl Scout cookies across the country by the
Rosicrucians. The manager backed away, smiled nervously and assured
me that my concerns would be taken into consideration. By this time a
crowd of bag boys had gathered and a brief flash of common sense
caused me to realize that several of them were roughly the size of NFL
linebackers so I'd better run. I got away by pushing an elderly woman
into a crowd of children. Whew."

Translation services brought to you free of charge by Carmen. G


LOL


  #89  
Old April 10th, 2004, 07:06 PM
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I can't believe there are still people out here bashing the Atkins way
of life. Yes, it may not be for everyone. But that would be your own
MEDICAL condition that would make it not for you. I have seen to many
people and have talked to my three different doctors about Atkins. I
have lost 35 pounds and my 13 year old son has lost 28 pounds. We have
consulted our doctors every step of the way. If you do not have the
will power or if you have not reached the "this is enough" stage in
your own weight struggle that is your demon, but lay off of the people
who have made changes, responsible changes in their own life. I am
proud to say that I am on atkins, my son is on atkins and my other
tall and skinny son is also eating what we eat and all of us are
healthier, happier and we look marvelous!!!
 




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