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Old August 11th, 2004, 12:52 PM
PJAD
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(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in message . com...
(? cal) wrote in message ...
Good for you!!!!

i want to be banded also but at this time my insurance will not cover
it.


in the interim until they do, why don't you try eating less and
exercising more? This is a serious question.

Just a 500 kcal deficit each day should get you losing at 1lb/week.
Not as dramatic as WLS survivors, but 50 lbs/yr is a very healthy rate
of loss, and a 500 kcal shortfall doesn't require hunger pains if you
eat smart and avoid empty calories.


Hey Mogroot,
I realize you have a serious power complex, however stop posting
suggestive nonsense. snipWLS survivors/snip implying there is a
significant fatality risk for Lapbanding is a load of ......! If you
think you are so smart 'Dr 50lbs this 500Kcals that' - Then DO YOUR
HOMEWORK ON THE STATISTICS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR TRAP! Fatalities in
the same time span are FAR greater in the Morbid patients that don't
choose Lapband surgery.
Your crummy maths 'energy vs. lbs' is flawed anyway. Why don't you
look up the word metabolism? And then come back to the group and
explain why cows get FAT eating FAT FREE grass. And why some
guzzle-guts can down 2kgs of food in a day, with no exercising & no
diseases stay STANDARD WEIGHT???
Your particular body, Mogroot, is probably in fine working order -
which is why your weight responded in proportion to what you were
eating and the energy you were burning. Stop talking for the masses
(excuse the pun) and give your opinions a reality check - Because,
Metabolic Syndrome is: Insulin resistance, Hyperinsulinism, Fatty
Liver, Diabetes & Hypertension LINKED.
Reason? UNKNOWN? Cure UNKNOWN? Treatment? MANY. Your solutions are
old-school. Rethink the problem. It's not just mathematics. It's
biology, it's chemistry.
And now a lesson on psychology - Get a head check.

PJAD.
http://lapbandstory.blogspot.com
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Old August 11th, 2004, 01:35 PM
Beverly
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"PJAD" wrote in message
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(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in message

. com...
(? cal) wrote in message
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Good for you!!!!

i want to be banded also but at this time my insurance will not cover
it.


in the interim until they do, why don't you try eating less and
exercising more? This is a serious question.

Just a 500 kcal deficit each day should get you losing at 1lb/week.
Not as dramatic as WLS survivors, but 50 lbs/yr is a very healthy rate
of loss, and a 500 kcal shortfall doesn't require hunger pains if you
eat smart and avoid empty calories.


Hey Mogroot,
I realize you have a serious power complex, however stop posting
suggestive nonsense. snipWLS survivors/snip implying there is a
significant fatality risk for Lapbanding is a load of ......! If you
think you are so smart 'Dr 50lbs this 500Kcals that' - Then DO YOUR
HOMEWORK ON THE STATISTICS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR TRAP! Fatalities in
the same time span are FAR greater in the Morbid patients that don't
choose Lapband surgery.
Your crummy maths 'energy vs. lbs' is flawed anyway. Why don't you
look up the word metabolism? And then come back to the group and
explain why cows get FAT eating FAT FREE grass. And why some
guzzle-guts can down 2kgs of food in a day, with no exercising & no
diseases stay STANDARD WEIGHT???
Your particular body, Mogroot, is probably in fine working order -
which is why your weight responded in proportion to what you were
eating and the energy you were burning. Stop talking for the masses
(excuse the pun) and give your opinions a reality check - Because,
Metabolic Syndrome is: Insulin resistance, Hyperinsulinism, Fatty
Liver, Diabetes & Hypertension LINKED.
Reason? UNKNOWN? Cure UNKNOWN? Treatment? MANY. Your solutions are
old-school. Rethink the problem. It's not just mathematics. It's
biology, it's chemistry.
And now a lesson on psychology - Get a head check.

PJAD.
http://lapbandstory.blogspot.com


After reading your blog entry posted below it seems that you didn't have a
problem losing weight on a diet - you just didn't stick with it.


"When I started working full-time, I didn't have the time to prepare my own
meals daily.
And that's where this diet gets unstuck.
As soon as your carbs get over 30grams a day - the weight will pile on.
That's because the Carbs then become the energy source - and the proteins &
fats will just get stored.

So in a way the Atkins diet didn't fail me, just my ability to follow it in
the long term.

SO...

My analysis is this:
If you follow the Atkins diet properly and strictly - then you will lose
weight.
If you don't follow the guidelines - your health will suffer. Your liver may
even suffer.
I put all my previous weight on and MORE!

posted by PJAD "







  #24  
Old August 12th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Heywood Mogroot
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(PJAD) wrote in message . com...
(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in message . com...
(? cal) wrote in message ...
Good for you!!!!

i want to be banded also but at this time my insurance will not cover
it.


in the interim until they do, why don't you try eating less and
exercising more? This is a serious question.

Just a 500 kcal deficit each day should get you losing at 1lb/week.
Not as dramatic as WLS survivors, but 50 lbs/yr is a very healthy rate
of loss, and a 500 kcal shortfall doesn't require hunger pains if you
eat smart and avoid empty calories.


Hey Mogroot,
I realize you have a serious power complex, however stop posting
suggestive nonsense. snipWLS survivors/snip implying there is a
significant fatality risk for Lapbanding is a load of ......!


I put lapbanding in a total different class than eg. RNY. I feel
nobody should ever ever resort to an RNY, but I am open to the
benefits of lap-band.

Your crummy maths 'energy vs. lbs' is flawed anyway. Why don't you
look up the word metabolism? And then come back to the group and
explain why cows get FAT eating FAT FREE grass.


because they graze all day on a high-carb diet.

And why some
guzzle-guts can down 2kgs of food in a day, with no exercising & no
diseases stay STANDARD WEIGHT???


people have different metabolisms, different satiety responses.

Your particular body, Mogroot, is probably in fine working order -
which is why your weight responded in proportion to what you were
eating and the energy you were burning. Stop talking for the masses
(excuse the pun) and give your opinions a reality check - Because,
Metabolic Syndrome is: Insulin resistance, Hyperinsulinism, Fatty
Liver, Diabetes & Hypertension LINKED.


I agree, and am curious about how the lap band enables people to lose
weight where dieting fails them.

Generally speaking I think dieters are looking for rapid solutions,
while the gradual solution is much more healthy. I've read the blogs
of RNY patients happy about losing 5% or 10% of their body weight in a
month, and just see they are not looking at the full picture here --
what do you do when you finally lose all the weight you can?

Will you have enough muscle tissue to be able to eat anything without
regaining?
Will you have lost so fast that you will have loose skin all over your
body?

My main point is that a 500 or 1000 kcal deficit each day need not be
a living hell for most people, if they eat sensibly, since 2000 kcal a
day or more should be enough for anyone to avoid any kind of hunger
pains once their body adjusts to the new WOE.

Now, lap-band basically FORCES you to eat sensibly, but I remain
unconvinced that it is necessary to enable people to start losing a
healthy 1 or 2 lbs per week, no more.

And now a lesson on psychology - Get a head check.


I don't care what you do with your body at all, and I wish you good
luck on your choice.

I do think that at this time lap-band is more expensive than other
approaches, but am willing to wait on results before making any
judgements on the matter.
  #25  
Old August 12th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Heywood Mogroot
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(PJAD) wrote in message . com...
(Heywood Mogroot) wrote in message . com...
(? cal) wrote in message ...
Good for you!!!!

i want to be banded also but at this time my insurance will not cover
it.


in the interim until they do, why don't you try eating less and
exercising more? This is a serious question.

Just a 500 kcal deficit each day should get you losing at 1lb/week.
Not as dramatic as WLS survivors, but 50 lbs/yr is a very healthy rate
of loss, and a 500 kcal shortfall doesn't require hunger pains if you
eat smart and avoid empty calories.


Hey Mogroot,
I realize you have a serious power complex, however stop posting
suggestive nonsense. snipWLS survivors/snip implying there is a
significant fatality risk for Lapbanding is a load of ......!


I put lapbanding in a total different class than eg. RNY. I feel
nobody should ever ever resort to an RNY, but I am open to the
benefits of lap-band.

Your crummy maths 'energy vs. lbs' is flawed anyway. Why don't you
look up the word metabolism? And then come back to the group and
explain why cows get FAT eating FAT FREE grass.


because they graze all day on a high-carb diet.

And why some
guzzle-guts can down 2kgs of food in a day, with no exercising & no
diseases stay STANDARD WEIGHT???


people have different metabolisms, different satiety responses.

Your particular body, Mogroot, is probably in fine working order -
which is why your weight responded in proportion to what you were
eating and the energy you were burning. Stop talking for the masses
(excuse the pun) and give your opinions a reality check - Because,
Metabolic Syndrome is: Insulin resistance, Hyperinsulinism, Fatty
Liver, Diabetes & Hypertension LINKED.


I agree, and am curious about how the lap band enables people to lose
weight where dieting fails them.

Generally speaking I think dieters are looking for rapid solutions,
while the gradual solution is much more healthy. I've read the blogs
of RNY patients happy about losing 5% or 10% of their body weight in a
month, and just see they are not looking at the full picture here --
what do you do when you finally lose all the weight you can?

Will you have enough muscle tissue to be able to eat anything without
regaining?
Will you have lost so fast that you will have loose skin all over your
body?

My main point is that a 500 or 1000 kcal deficit each day need not be
a living hell for most people, if they eat sensibly, since 2000 kcal a
day or more should be enough for anyone to avoid any kind of hunger
pains once their body adjusts to the new WOE.

Now, lap-band basically FORCES you to eat sensibly, but I remain
unconvinced that it is necessary to enable people to start losing a
healthy 1 or 2 lbs per week, no more.

And now a lesson on psychology - Get a head check.


I don't care what you do with your body at all, and I wish you good
luck on your choice.

I do think that at this time lap-band is more expensive than other
approaches, but am willing to wait on results before making any
judgements on the matter.
  #26  
Old August 24th, 2004, 08:56 PM
Joanne Logan
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I wouldn't hold my breath about your insurance company ever covering it.
John Deere, my company, actually pulled WLS coverage from some plans it
had in place, saying the surgery was too risky and unproven. I had also
checked into WLS and was dismayed by this news. All these insurance
companies and doctors screaming at us to lose weight, but closing all
the doors to options. My plan still won't cover nutritional counseling,
for goodness sake. I know, I know, we're supposed to have all this
willpower to do it on out own. Good luck with that.

Joanne

† cal wrote:
Good for you!!!!

i want to be banded also but at this time my insurance will not cover
it.

cal


  #27  
Old August 25th, 2004, 04:06 AM
Heywood Mogroot
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Joanne Logan wrote in message ...
My plan still won't cover nutritional counseling, for goodness sake.


aka diet scams.

Look, it was easy, for me at least. Figure out how much food calories
you need to break even.

Eat about 500kcal/day less than that. Add good muscle toning & cardio
exercise if you want to lose faster. You'll start losing 1-2lbs/week.

Continue this until you get where you want to be. Simple.

I know, I know, we're supposed to have all this willpower to do it on out own.


You're going to need just as much willpower even *after* a lapband.

1500kcal/day (or more, depending on your current metabolism) is a LOT
of food to keep your stomach happy. If you can't find stomach
happiness & a livable diet within these limits then you're doing
something wrong.

Mental happiness without all the crap food is another issue
altogether. WLS doesn't necessarily address this -- you're still going
to feel denied, but instead of being a mature adult you're going to
intentionally **** up your physiology to keep you honest with
yourself.

Good luck with that.


Worked for me... no willpower required, just commitment to getting to
my goals. Obviously people are different, and I don't cook for a
family, or have a lot of crap food in the house, so YMMV, but really I
don't think weight loss needs to be the big drama-queen production it
is, at least not for most people.

Heywood

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