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  #11  
Old February 6th, 2007, 02:29 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.usenet.kooks,sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Art Deco
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Default Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

Mu wrote:

To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not easy.
Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually plows a
road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential things.

Yours,

Caleb


Caleb, Mu here.

Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?


Bull****, don't bother.

Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.


Bull****.

Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control, so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.


Bull****. No wonder you are Chung's "neighbor".

--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
  #12  
Old February 6th, 2007, 02:31 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,alt.usenet.kooks
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Default Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

GaryG wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
ups.com...
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
friend Mu wrote:
neighbor Caleb wrote:

If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!

Yours,

Caleb

Why don't you tell us how much you lost on the last 100 day diet,

and
how much you regained from day 101 onwards?

janice

So it is him!

Yup! It sure is me. I'll be posting on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

my
progress.

I guess one of my points is that it simply is not that difficult or
complicated to take the weight off. There is no need for people

suffer
emotional turmoil, self-doubt, etc. If they follow a sensible

dietary
approach over time, they WILL lose weight. Nothing rocket science
about it. However, following a sensible approach over time is not
easy.

I've done it before (quite simply) and I'll do it again this time --
hope it's the last time -- but regardless, it's just not that tough

to
do. I sure am a hell of a lot healthier than when I first started

this
approach in '99. I am alive, am far more physically fit, etc., etc.

Couple of points for people to remember:

There's a lot of bad advice out there competing for their attention.

It all does break down to calories in versus calories used up.

Weighing regularly is probably essential for most people. (I have a
simple balance beam system that I have found very helpful since '99
that you can read about if you search "indicator" "caleb" "balance
beam" on Google.)

Recording calories -- or at least insuring that what you eat adheres
to your dietary goals -- is important.

Regular exercise is important, although the recent research from
Pennington (Ravussin et al) shows that exercise is not a panacea and
that some of the vaunted effects of exercise (e.g., muscle speeding

up
metabolism) are not supported by current data.

Most important is just to keep at it -- put your nose down and just
keep plugging along. For every one who unreasonably assails you, you
might imagine their face at a trough, wonder exactly what their

weight
loss history is (is there a weight-loss wing of the Mayo Clinic in
their name?), etc. As Rosie used to say, "Your mileage may vary!"

And
certainly it is true that there are different strokes for different
folks.

To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not

easy.
Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually plows

a
road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential things.

Yours,

Caleb

Caleb, Mu here.

Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?

Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.

Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control,

so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.

Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with the
assistance of exercise.

The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day

in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.

The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with

the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..


Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.


Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),


Hey, that's pretty cool...I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy". So, you're saying that you're capable of running an
ultramarathon, due only to your lowered body fat levels? Have you ever
actually completed an ultramarathon to confirm your assertion? If so,
please provide us with a link to the results web page g.

which can not be completely lost by exercise but only by
eating less down to the optimal amount which does result in becoming
hungrier that one has ever been in one's life.


Again, this obsession with hunger...the more you speak of your experience
with the 2 Pound Diet (2PD), the more it sounds like an eating disorder.


And, of course, there are many, many other benefits to being physically
active besides just the calories burned - increased cardiovascular

fitness
(strangely, whacko Chung never mentions this...perhaps he's too tired to
exercise due to his eating disorder), increased mental function,

decreased
depression, etc., etc.


Actually, my discussions with Don Kirkman about personally being
physically active remain in the Google archives to prove that you
remain untruthful.


You may have made some silly and unproven claims as to your physical
prowess, but the vast majority of your advice to others is to lose weight
only by focusing on becoming hungry...you never mention the health and/or
weight loss benefits of physical activity.

If your intent has been to deceive, you have now provided evidence for
you to be judged a liar.


If your intent has been to insult me, you have failed yet again.


Where does this supposed "medical doctor" get this nonsense? Does
Chung just make it up as he goes along?

--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
  #13  
Old February 6th, 2007, 02:32 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes
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Default Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

The Rev Dr Hugh Jarse NLAHN wrote:

And, of course, there are many, many other benefits to being physically
active besides just the calories burned - increased cardiovascular

fitness
(strangely, whacko Chung never mentions this...perhaps he's too tired to
exercise due to his eating disorder), increased mental function,

decreased
depression, etc., etc.


Actually, my discussions with Don Kirkman about personally being
physically active remain in the Google archives to prove that you
remain untruthful.


You may have made some silly and unproven claims as to your physical
prowess, but the vast majority of your advice to others is to lose weight
only by focusing on becoming hungry...you never mention the health and/or
weight loss benefits of physical activity.

If your intent has been to deceive, you have now provided evidence for
you to be judged a liar.


If your intent has been to insult me, you have failed yet again.


Earthquack's intended insults are compliments. The ultimate accolade
is "Demon"


Yes, as the official "netcabal.com demon" and "sockpuppet of satan" who
is "loitering on usenet", I can confirm this statement.

--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
  #14  
Old February 6th, 2007, 02:37 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes
Art Deco
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Default Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

Don Kirkman wrote:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that GaryG wrote in article
:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
oups.com...
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:


The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day

in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.


The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with

the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..


Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.


Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),


That's especially good because in 2004, at the age of 39, Dr. Chung ran
a half-marathon (13.1 miles) in 3 hours 27 minutes; he improved to 2:49
in 2005 and I found no record for him in the same race in 2006 (for
comparison, I'm a typical mid-pack runner, but in 1989 at the age of 60
I ran a 1:45 half-marathon and a 1:50 the year before that).
http://www.silvercomet10k.com/

Hey, that's pretty cool...I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy". So, you're saying that you're capable of running an
ultramarathon, due only to your lowered body fat levels? Have you ever
actually completed an ultramarathon to confirm your assertion? If so,
please provide us with a link to the results web page g.


To have run an ultra (whether 50 miles or 100, typical distances for
ultras), he would have to have been absent from the newsgroups for
twenty-four hours or more. Did that ever happen?

A Google search for Andrew Chung in ultramarathon results came up empty.
Since ultra running is such a small, tight-knit community I think the
sudden appearance of an unknown would have been remarked on by somebody
along the way.


Considering the nonsense I've seen him spew to usenet about hunger and
athletes, I have a very difficult time believing that he has ever done
anything as strenuous as a marathon.

[. . .]

Actually, my discussions with Don Kirkman about personally being
physically active remain in the Google archives to prove that you
remain untruthful.


Actually archiving your opinions adds nothing to their veracity. Garbage
into Google, garbage out. The same goes for your constant
self-referential "proofs" on your Web pages.


And his circular references.

You may have made some silly and unproven claims as to your physical
prowess, but the vast majority of your advice to others is to lose weight
only by focusing on becoming hungry...you never mention the health and/or
weight loss benefits of physical activity.


If your intent has been to deceive, you have now provided evidence for
you to be judged a liar.


If your intent has been to insult me, you have failed yet again.


Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convects


Oh, oh, no! the macro's broken (or maybe it's just a climate change)


The teddy bear main page is still up, so perhaps Chung finally saw the
futility of keeping a hate list.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
  #15  
Old February 6th, 2007, 06:05 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.christnet.christianlife
GaryG
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
oups.com...
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:
friend Mu wrote:
neighbor Caleb wrote:

If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions

about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to

see
them there!

Yours,

Caleb

Why don't you tell us how much you lost on the last 100 day

diet,
and
how much you regained from day 101 onwards?

janice

So it is him!

Yup! It sure is me. I'll be posting on

alt.support.diet.low-calorie
my
progress.

I guess one of my points is that it simply is not that difficult

or
complicated to take the weight off. There is no need for people

suffer
emotional turmoil, self-doubt, etc. If they follow a sensible

dietary
approach over time, they WILL lose weight. Nothing rocket

science
about it. However, following a sensible approach over time is

not
easy.

I've done it before (quite simply) and I'll do it again this

time --
hope it's the last time -- but regardless, it's just not that

tough
to
do. I sure am a hell of a lot healthier than when I first

started
this
approach in '99. I am alive, am far more physically fit, etc.,

etc.

Couple of points for people to remember:

There's a lot of bad advice out there competing for their

attention.

It all does break down to calories in versus calories used up.

Weighing regularly is probably essential for most people. (I

have a
simple balance beam system that I have found very helpful since

'99
that you can read about if you search "indicator" "caleb"

"balance
beam" on Google.)

Recording calories -- or at least insuring that what you eat

adheres
to your dietary goals -- is important.

Regular exercise is important, although the recent research from
Pennington (Ravussin et al) shows that exercise is not a panacea

and
that some of the vaunted effects of exercise (e.g., muscle

speeding
up
metabolism) are not supported by current data.

Most important is just to keep at it -- put your nose down and

just
keep plugging along. For every one who unreasonably assails you,

you
might imagine their face at a trough, wonder exactly what their

weight
loss history is (is there a weight-loss wing of the Mayo Clinic

in
their name?), etc. As Rosie used to say, "Your mileage may

vary!"
And
certainly it is true that there are different strokes for

different
folks.

To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not

easy.
Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually

plows
a
road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential

things.

Yours,

Caleb

Caleb, Mu here.

Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be

practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?

Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.

Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption

control,
so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.

Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with

the
assistance of exercise.

The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost

significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or

longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be

highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825

kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per

day
in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.

The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help

with
the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to

getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what

one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..

Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.


Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),


Hey, that's pretty cool...


The truth is cool.

I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy".


The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the
more capable they physically become.


Bizarre...can you cite any studies or articles supporting this assertion
(other than the voices in your head)?


When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match
with his/her competitior, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough.


Again...any proof of this?

In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not
occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster
because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good."


Yeah, I heard the Auschwitz 10,000 meter relay team was world class.

BTW - as usual, you ducked my earlier question: "Have you ever actually
completed an ultramarathon...?"

You asserted in your post above that you were capable of running an
"ultramarathon" (typically, 50 or 100 miles, per
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon ). Have you done so, or is this
just another delusion of grandeur on your part?

GG

Truth is absolute and invincible.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardialogy.com



  #16  
Old February 6th, 2007, 11:25 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes
Pastor Kutchie
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On Feb 6, 1:37 am, Art Deco wrote:
Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that GaryG wrote in article
:


"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
oups.com...
convicted neighbor GaryG wrote:


The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day
in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.


The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with
the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..


Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.


Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),


That's especially good because in 2004, at the age of 39, Dr. Chung ran
a half-marathon (13.1 miles) in 3 hours 27 minutes; he improved to 2:49
in 2005 and I found no record for him in the same race in 2006 (for
comparison, I'm a typical mid-pack runner, but in 1989 at the age of 60
I ran a 1:45 half-marathon and a 1:50 the year before that).
http://www.silvercomet10k.com/


Hey, that's pretty cool...I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy". So, you're saying that you're capable of running an
ultramarathon, due only to your lowered body fat levels? Have you ever
actually completed an ultramarathon to confirm your assertion? If so,
please provide us with a link to the results web page g.


To have run an ultra (whether 50 miles or 100, typical distances for
ultras), he would have to have been absent from the newsgroups for
twenty-four hours or more. Did that ever happen?


A Google search for Andrew Chung in ultramarathon results came up empty.
Since ultra running is such a small, tight-knit community I think the
sudden appearance of an unknown would have been remarked on by somebody
along the way.


Considering the nonsense I've seen him spew to usenet about hunger and
athletes, I have a very difficult time believing that he has ever done
anything as strenuous as a marathon.


I have difficulty believing he's ever done anything as strenuous as
thinking.

  #17  
Old February 8th, 2007, 02:39 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes
Henry Schmidt
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On the long hot summer day of Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:37:51 -0700, Art Deco
dribbled:

Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convects


Oh, oh, no! the macro's broken (or maybe it's just a climate change)


The teddy bear main page is still up, so perhaps Chung finally saw the
futility of keeping a hate list.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.


Ab, ur xrrcf zvffcryyvat uvf HEY.
  #18  
Old February 8th, 2007, 09:36 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,alt.christnet.christianlife
Mu
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Posts: 538
Default Luke 6:21

Caleb, Mu here.

Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?

Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.

Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control,

so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.


Person Spake:

Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with the
assistance of exercise.


Mu: I never said that exercise wasn't a valued assist. Considering I
spent 7 years training athletes for asspennies, I would suggest that you
are way out of Truth with your forcibly false interp of my comment.

Imagine that.

The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day

in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.

The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with

the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..


I does so very few that the numbers are not relative at all. 95% of
people fail on their diets. Take whatever % of those and add in
exercise. They stop, they fail to continue to exercise. there is an
entire industry that is built on the motel room concept. Check in, check
out. Ask LA Fitness or Gold's Gym, as I have, to give you their rollover
data.

Or, take my own gyms. Even athletes crap out on training and exercise
over time.

Sure, the supremely committed, wealthy, no job, have oodles of spare
time, they can do well in an exercise environment. The rest of us, not a
chance if you believe you have to exercise to lose and control weight.

On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.


Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),


Undeniably so, Andrew.


Hey, that's pretty cool...


On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

The truth is cool.

I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy".


On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the
more capable they physically become.

When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match
with his/her competitior, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough.

In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not
occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster
because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good."


The psychology of this is amazing, it revolves around the realistic view
of what is truly discomforting and what is life endangering and what is
truly nothing more than an inconvenience.

Truth is absolute and invincible.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com


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Old February 8th, 2007, 09:38 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:42:41 -0800, Don Kirkman wrote:

A Google search for Andrew Chung in ultramarathon results came up empty.
Since ultra running is such a small, tight-knit community I think the
sudden appearance of an unknown would have been remarked on by somebody
along the way.

[. . .]


This tight knot community, of which I trained several ultra-athletes,
not o one of them comes up on any search yet i watched them myself start
and finish.

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Old February 8th, 2007, 10:52 AM posted to sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,alt.christnet.christianlife
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friend Mu wrote:
Caleb, Mu here.


Counting calories is such an inexact computation as to be practically
worthless. Would you care for Mu to explain?

Cals in, cals out, thermodynamics OK, real usefulness = ZERO.

Reg exercise is of no real ongoing value for overconsumption control,
so
few can or elect to do so. Scratch that.


Person Spake:

Rubbish...plenty of successful weight loss has been achieved with the
assistance of exercise.


Mu: I never said that exercise wasn't a valued assist. Considering I
spent 7 years training athletes for asspennies, I would suggest that you
are way out of Truth with your forcibly false interp of my comment.

Imagine that.

The National Weight Control Registry has been studying the common
characteristcs and strategies employed by folks who've lost significant
amounts of weight (avg. 30 kg) and kept it off for five years or longer.
According to their research, their subjects "also appear to be highly
active: they reported expending approximately 11830 kJ/wk (2825 kcal/wk)
through physical activity". That's an average of 400 calories per day
in
physical activity...or, about an hour of fairly vigorous effort.

The act of commiting oneself to an exercise program can also help with
the
"overconsumption control" you mention. When one is committed to getting
fit, it naturally follows that one will pay more attention to what one
ingests (at least, it does for many of us)..


I does so very few that the numbers are not relative at all. 95% of
people fail on their diets. Take whatever % of those and add in
exercise. They stop, they fail to continue to exercise. there is an
entire industry that is built on the motel room concept. Check in, check
out. Ask LA Fitness or Gold's Gym, as I have, to give you their rollover
data.

Or, take my own gyms. Even athletes crap out on training and exercise
over time.

Sure, the supremely committed, wealthy, no job, have oodles of spare
time, they can do well in an exercise environment. The rest of us, not a
chance if you believe you have to exercise to lose and control weight.

On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Those who choose to unwisely engage in strenuous exercise while obese
typically end up being worse off when they sustain injury which often
is attributed to osteoarthritis rather than to the exercise. What is
clinically observed is that once people are lean and trim from eating
less, they find themselves more capable of exercising strenuously more
comfortably and with less injury.

Indeed, that has been my own
personal experience now physically able to run ultramarathons not
because of training but because of losing all my visceral adipose
tissue (VAT),


Undeniably so, Andrew.


Hey, that's pretty cool...


On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

The truth is cool.

I'm sure many athletes would be interested in that
"training strategy".


On 5 Feb 2007 08:12:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

The world class athletes already know that the hungrier they are the
more capable they physically become.

When an athlete loses in a competition where s/he was a physical match
with his/her competitior, s/he knows that s/he was not hungry enough.

In countries where the brainwashing that "hunger is bad" does not
occur (ie Kenya), the runners are leaner, trimmer, and much faster
because they know in their hearts that "hunger is good."


The psychology of this is amazing, it revolves around the realistic view
of what is truly discomforting and what is life endangering and what is
truly nothing more than an inconvenience.


The truth is amazing.

May you and I continue to be hungry.

Truth is absolute and invincible.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !


Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com

 




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