HOW?

Gloria wrote:

I'm on SB YES! But I get cravings and than I give in.
I'm starting over again on EVERY Sun.

If cravings are your issue then you should try the
Atkins plan. It's more effort because it has an entire
half that isn't addressed by South Beach, but that
half is about discovering the individual foods that
trigger binges so you know to avoid them. I mean
the entire plan from the book, all 4 phases in
sequence. I mean using the carb ladder in order.
There's more work involved than SBD but it should also
resolve the cause of your binges.

Quoting (janice):

[brev.]
I badly need to break free of my "all or nothing" thinking,

In my experience, mastering the defeatist pull that "all or nothing"
thinking can have was the single most important factor in my long-term
success in losing and keeping the fat off.

Tomorrow is always a new day; yet another chance to get back on track.

Quoting Ignoramus12418 :

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:55:43 -0600, Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious wrote:

Quoting (janice):

[brev.]
I badly need to break free of my "all or nothing" thinking,

In my experience, mastering the defeatist pull that "all or nothing"
thinking can have was the single most important factor in my long-term
success in losing and keeping the fat off.

The bad part of the "all or nothing" approach is "or nothing". There is
nothing wrong with wanting to be perfect.

Well, there certainly is *that*, and I don't disagree that there are
many folks out there that just don't "get it" and/or refuse to put in
a real effort.

What I was specifically referring to, though, is that there are some
out there that give up on themselves and decide that they are total
failures at dieting just because they screw up a meal or two.

This can be a fairly prevalent and pernicious attitude among binge
eaters, btw.

And my message was that there is hope; it is possible to work through
those issues, evolve, and make better choices.

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:21:45 -0600, Suze
suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious wrote:


What I was specifically referring to, though, is that there are some
out there that give up on themselves and decide that they are total
failures at dieting just because they screw up a meal or two.

This can be a fairly prevalent and pernicious attitude among binge
eaters, btw.

Yes, that is something that binge eaters understand very well, but
maybe difficult for others to comprehend.

I have many times fallen off the wagon after weeks of "perfection" and
there's a very high chance that once this happens it can lead to weeks
or even months of binge eating and the regain of all, or more, of the
weight I've lost.

For some of us, wanting to be perfect is definitely not the way to go.

janice

"janice" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:21:45 -0600, Suze
suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious wrote:


What I was specifically referring to, though, is that there are some
out there that give up on themselves and decide that they are total
failures at dieting just because they screw up a meal or two.

This can be a fairly prevalent and pernicious attitude among binge
eaters, btw.

Yes, that is something that binge eaters understand very well, but
maybe difficult for others to comprehend.

I have many times fallen off the wagon after weeks of "perfection" and
there's a very high chance that once this happens it can lead to weeks
or even months of binge eating and the regain of all, or more, of the
weight I've lost.

For some of us, wanting to be perfect is definitely not the way to go.

janice

I think people who demand perfection at all times take failure much harder.
I know I certainly don't eat perfectly at all times but I don't beat myself
up over it and just start anew. Many times when I travel or attend special
events I know I won't be sticking to the regular woe. I just plan for them
and adjust afterward. I just can't imagine going through life not being
able to occasionally have those foods I love but don't eat on a regular
basis.

Beverly

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:48:48 GMT, "Beverly"
wrote:


I think people who demand perfection at all times take failure much harder.
I know I certainly don't eat perfectly at all times but I don't beat myself
up over it and just start anew. Many times when I travel or attend special
events I know I won't be sticking to the regular woe. I just plan for them
and adjust afterward. I just can't imagine going through life not being
able to occasionally have those foods I love but don't eat on a regular
basis.

Well, this is why I don't "ban" anything from my WOE, although of
course I can't afford to eat calorie dense foods in quantity and try
to "spend" my calories more wisely on foods with a higher satiety
value.

I also think there's a million miles of difference between a cheat and
a planned refeed. The food eaten could even be exactly the same, but
for me a "cheat" is something you do against your will, that sort of
sneaks up on you and makes you feel out of control. A "refeed" can be
carefully planned in advance and I can get back to my WOE much more
easily afterwards. Of course it's all in the mind, like so much to do
with food issues.

janice

I think people who demand perfection at all times take failure much
harder.
I know I certainly don't eat perfectly at all times but I don't beat
myself
up over it and just start anew. Many times when I travel or attend
special
events I know I won't be sticking to the regular woe. I just plan for
them
and adjust afterward. I just can't imagine going through life not being
able to occasionally have those foods I love but don't eat on a regular
basis.

I completely agree with you there, mental health is just as important as
physical health & you don't want to turn into a neurotic obsessed with
calories & nutritional values. You have better chances of sticking to your
WOE if it allows you to eat what you like once in a while, otherwise there's
the tendency to say 'to hell with everything' & just have a binge...

Well, this is why I don't "ban" anything from my WOE, although of
course I can't afford to eat calorie dense foods in quantity and try
to "spend" my calories more wisely on foods with a higher satiety
value.

I also think there's a million miles of difference between a cheat and
a planned refeed. The food eaten could even be exactly the same, but
for me a "cheat" is something you do against your will, that sort of
sneaks up on you and makes you feel out of control. A "refeed" can be
carefully planned in advance and I can get back to my WOE much more
easily afterwards. Of course it's all in the mind, like so much to do
with food issues.

I posted about refeeds & got mixed replies as expected but I must say that
Monday's refeed worked like a charm, I feel much better & find it much
easier to stick to plan after it. My digestive system got a little
overloaded causing some discomfort 24-36 hrs later but all is fine now. 1lb
weight gain on Tuesday, down 2lbs today, 1lb net loss after a 2650 cal
'splurge' on Monday can't be bad.

Monday was also the first time I logged what I ate whilst overeating,
normally you only log when you're on a diet so your logs tend to have only
'sensible' foods. It was educational to see how the cals pile up with
'off-plan' foods.

"Polar Light" wrote in message
...
I think people who demand perfection at all times take failure much
harder.
I know I certainly don't eat perfectly at all times but I don't beat
myself
up over it and just start anew. Many times when I travel or attend
special
events I know I won't be sticking to the regular woe. I just plan for
them
and adjust afterward. I just can't imagine going through life not being
able to occasionally have those foods I love but don't eat on a regular
basis.

I completely agree with you there, mental health is just as important as
physical health & you don't want to turn into a neurotic obsessed with
calories & nutritional values. You have better chances of sticking to your
WOE if it allows you to eat what you like once in a while, otherwise
there's
the tendency to say 'to hell with everything' & just have a binge...

Well, this is why I don't "ban" anything from my WOE, although of
course I can't afford to eat calorie dense foods in quantity and try
to "spend" my calories more wisely on foods with a higher satiety
value.

I also think there's a million miles of difference between a cheat and
a planned refeed. The food eaten could even be exactly the same, but
for me a "cheat" is something you do against your will, that sort of
sneaks up on you and makes you feel out of control. A "refeed" can be
carefully planned in advance and I can get back to my WOE much more
easily afterwards. Of course it's all in the mind, like so much to do
with food issues.

I posted about refeeds & got mixed replies as expected but I must say that
Monday's refeed worked like a charm, I feel much better & find it much
easier to stick to plan after it. My digestive system got a little
overloaded causing some discomfort 24-36 hrs later but all is fine now.
1lb
weight gain on Tuesday, down 2lbs today, 1lb net loss after a 2650 cal
'splurge' on Monday can't be bad.

Monday was also the first time I logged what I ate whilst overeating,
normally you only log when you're on a diet so your logs tend to have only
'sensible' foods. It was educational to see how the cals pile up with
'off-plan' foods.


Glad to see this worked for you. We'll never be able to have everyone agree
on this issue and I feel that if it works for you then do it. There are
many in the group who don't stick to a strict diet and have been very
successful doing the occasional refeed, splurge or whatever name we choose
to call it.
I've been at or near maintenance weight for years, except for the year I
quit smoking, and I've always had those occasions where I ate over my daily
calorie limit.

Beverly

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:58:38 +0100, "Polar Light"
wrote:


Monday was also the first time I logged what I ate whilst overeating,
normally you only log when you're on a diet so your logs tend to have only
'sensible' foods. It was educational to see how the cals pile up with
'off-plan' foods.

I think you have a few things in common with me. I normally stop
counting anything when I fall off the wagon. After all, if one is
going to binge it's not the time you tend to get out the scale or the
measuring jug! Just for interest, I did once track some binge days
and ISTR they came to somewhere between 4000 and 5000, or even a bit
more on a high fat day.

In article , Beverly
wrote:

"Polar Light" wrote in message
...
I think people who demand perfection at all times take failure much
harder.

I am one of the above but manage now to look as lapses as an
opportunity for purposeful rededication to a goal and good strategies
in reaching it rather than failure. Failure comes when you stop trying
and then beat up on yourself. If you can truly abandon the unreached
goal, that is another story, but I doubt I will ever stop wanting to
protect my weight loss. of five years ago.

--
Diva
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