What are the symptoms of acute chlorine deficiency???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
No, they cannot. They are a net positive charge, that is
neutralized by something. If it isn't Cl-, then it will be
OH-... which is much worse.

Damn! I lose again!!

Radium wrote:

Patricia Heil wrote:
You also wouldn't have blood. Your blood serum contains sodium chloride.
So much for not dying.

Can't the serum contain sodium ions without chloride ions? If not,
whats stopping such an existence?

You need some sort of counterion. If it's not
chloride ion, what is it?

Dear Radium:

Radium wrote:
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
No, they cannot. They are a net positive charge, that is
neutralized by something. If it isn't Cl-, then it will be
OH-... which is much worse.

Damn! I lose again!!

If you learned something, what have you lost?

David A. Smith

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article om, "TC"
wrote:

http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu.../chlorine.html

"Dietary requirements for chlorine have not been established because
dietary deficiencies have not been observed."

TC



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I wanted to answer the question that was in the orginal post which was:

What are the symptoms of acute chloride deficiency?

I have a reference book related to understanding blood test results. I
looked up the word "chloride" and found the following information:


CHLORIDE:
A score [on a blood test] that is below the Lab Reference Range may indicate:

The adrenal gland deficiency known as Addison's Disease

Intestinal obstruction

Metabolic Acidosis common in diabetics

http://endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/pubs/addison/addison.htm

No mention of chloride in relation to Addisons's Disease.

TC

In message .com, Radium wrote:
Patricia Heil wrote:

You also wouldn't have blood. Your blood serum contains sodium chloride.
So much for not dying.

Can't the serum contain sodium ions without chloride ions? If not,
whats stopping such an existence?

Sure -- you could have hydroxyl ions instead, in which case you'd
have a blood pH of about 12 and die.

Or you could have acetate ions instead, in which case acetate
toxicity would be lethal.

Or you could have fluoride ions instead, in which case the
neurotoxicity of hyperfluorosis would kill you stone dead.

There are, after all, *lots* of anions. Substituting any of
them for all of the (copious) chlorine in your body would be
quite, quite lethal. Don't assume that Mother Nature is
totally clueless.

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In message . com, Radium wrote:

Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
matter what I ate.

True -- you'd be stone dead.

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But just what do you think gastric fluid
consists of?

"Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
matter what I ate.

Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to disappear?

AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
chlorine."

How much hcl do you think is produced? In answer to your last question,
likely death. What function do you think the hcl plays in digestion and
what would happen if it did not do so? What other parts of metabolism
and normal life process do you think depend on chlorine?

In article ,
wrote:

But just what do you think gastric fluid
consists of?

"Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
matter what I ate.

Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to disappear?

AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
chlorine."

How much hcl do you think is produced? In answer to your last question,
likely death. What function do you think the hcl plays in digestion and
what would happen if it did not do so? What other parts of metabolism
and normal life process do you think depend on chlorine?

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I found a book in my small book collection related to this subject. It's a
200 page book related to the dangers of table salt (sodium chloride). One
of the authors is a medical doctor. The authors claim that sodium chloride
is the cause of high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney disease,
osteoporosis and asthma.

"The Salt Solution" by Herb Boynton, Mark F. McCarty and Richard, D. Moore, M.D.

I am salt sensitive and learned that I can control my Blood pressure and
fluid retention problem by limiting the salt in my diet and eating foods
(eg bananas) that increase the amount of potassium in my diet.

After you read the above mentioned book, you will be an expert related to
sodium chloride and will no longer need to ask questions about this subject.

Jason
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But just what do you think gastric fluid
consists of?

"Enzymes and a small amount of HCl acid. If I were to completely rid
myself of chlorine ions, I probably wouldn't have a sour stomach no
matter what I ate.

Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to disappear?

AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all. Really, at all. I think that
mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

I would like to know what would happen if my body suddenly lost all its
chlorine."

How much hcl do you think is produced? In answer to your last question,
likely death. What function do you think the hcl plays in digestion and
what would happen if it did not do so? What other parts of metabolism
and normal life process do you think depend on chlorine?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I found a book in my small book collection related to this subject. It's a
200 page book related to the dangers of table salt (sodium chloride). One
of the authors is a medical doctor. The authors claim that sodium chloride
is the cause of high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney disease,
osteoporosis and asthma.

"The Salt Solution" by Herb Boynton, Mark F. McCarty and Richard, D. Moore, M.D
.

I am salt sensitive and learned that I can control my Blood pressure and
fluid retention problem by limiting the salt in my diet and eating foods
(eg bananas) that increase the amount of potassium in my diet.

After you read the above mentioned book, you will be an expert related to
sodium chloride and will no longer need to ask questions about this subject.

My questions to him were rhetorical. They were to be an education for
him in answering them.

As for salt sensitivity when added in excess to food, it is a genetic
factor affecting some of the population, it is not a blanket statement
to
say we don't need it.

Which of the two elements in salt is the source of salt sensitivity,
"sodium chloride"? What would happen if all salt were removed from your
body? Why is a craving for salt so strong in humans and some other
animals? What is it about human blood that reminds us of an evolutionary
origin as animals in the sea? Along with a metallic taste, what other
substance can be detected in blood by taste?

Radium:
:
Any other ideas as to what symptoms I would experience if some
mysterious power were to cause all the chlorine in my body to
disappear?


Permanent deadness.

Actually you don't have any chlorine in your body. You do however have a
lot of chlorides, and I assume that's what you were talking about.


AFAIK, we don't need chlorine at all.

Yes we do.


Really, at all.

No really, we do.


I think that
mysterious power would do me a great favor by eliminating those
unecessary chlorine particles that invade my body.

There are no mysterios powers, and if you really want to die there are
simpler ways.


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Erlend Meyer

When I am king you will be first against the wall