Nutirsystem

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:40:41 GMT, nck
wrote:
Removing myself from "the usual" and doing something radical, like
having my food delivered in pre-measured packets etc, is what helps me to
re-learn my approach to food.

And that's key. By relieving yourself of many burdens, you can take
on the challenge of re-learning your approach to food at your own
pace.

It's a medical problem, I am taking a medical treatment approach.

And that's very sound. Medical supervision is a wonderful safeguard.
Hopefully that's included as part of your program, or an option you'll
take advantage of.

Nothing else has worked for me, including all that
"journaling" and all the other "sensible diet" lies.

As words they aren't much more than that. As part of a new approach
to food -- no -- to health-in-general, because that's the REAL issue
here, not just food -- they're excellent tools. You'll find yourself
perhaps more able to gain benefits from them at a later point in time.

Maybe this works for a
small percentage of a percentage but I don't think it's any more of a
long-term solution than anything else.

Not starting off, I agree. There is a period of time where those toll
are part of the long-term solution, and I believe an essential part.
Not at the beginning though, especially the way you're approaching
this.

First, you have to GET the
health-endangering fat off as efficiently and safely as possible, while
working on the behaviour thing.

Yes! Yes, yes, yes. Very very true.

And it sure is less radical than all this fad surgery.

Gosh yes. I think that medical protocols should require six months of
medically-supervised VLCDs before considering gastric bypass. (But
that's just me, eh?)

Plus you ARE doing it yourself.

I think that's the part a lot of people don't get. That there isn't
some magical fairy bestowing something onto folks in these programs.
It is real work. It is very effective because of how it is
structured, and I suppose you can consider that magic, but there is no
getting around that it is work, and the work is done by the patient.

Furthermore, I have already learned how
to make choices when I am on my own, like going out for a meal.

Another great point. As many people here like to say, people need to
take small steps. Avoiding social eating situations is a much smaller
step than any other. It sounds draconian, but having taken both
approach I can assure you the easiest, simplest, smallest action is
avoidance. Then, once you've mastered that, and are ready for the
next step, there is a next step. Let's say, bringing your own food.
Then make another small step, perhaps engaging in social eating
situations only under certain circumstances (healthy eating
situations, perhaps). And so forth.

But the *smallest* step is avoidance.

It also relieves me of thinking about FOOD all day. I just grab my entrée,
add some salad and fruit and get on with my life. Granted, you could do
this with Lean Cuisines etc, but I like the no-brainer thing. ;-)

Consider that just a later step in the process. Eventually, this new
lifestyle will become so second-nature that you'll truly be able to do
more and more of it yourself.

For example, I'm starting my second week without food journaling.
This is after journaling for two and a half years. I'll go back and
forth for a while, and then maybe may go months without journaling, as
I gain more confidence in my ability to manage my intake without
journaling.

Doing your own food planning is a much "earlier" skill to learn, of
course. I started doing that mid-way through weight-loss.

Then there's this thought that "I am spending a LOT of money on this, so I
damned well better make it work!"

"Investment" comes in two forms: Financial (and you're right it should
NOT be underestimated) and "Accomplishment Investment" -- having
achieved gains, in terms of better fitness, that you don't wish to
lose.


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to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
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On 16 Jan 2004 16:51:17 GMT, Ignoramus28064
wrote:
Removing myself from "the usual" and doing
something radical, like having my food delivered in pre-measured
packets etc, is what helps me to re-learn my approach to food. It's
a medical problem, I am taking a medical treatment approach.
It's not bad, but one day you will transition to real food, and it is
hard to manage this transition.

Actually, it was much easier for me to manage that transition than to
manage the transition from overeating to healthy eating when I started
Weight Watchers 13 years ago.

Which is not to say that you are on a bad plan, only that you have not
accumulated enough data points to say with certainty that it really
works.

This is a great point. While the approach may be sound, that doesn't
guarantee success. You can be resistant to the approach, without even
being conscious of it.

Congrats on having lots of willpower.

Well, I wouldn't really glorify the will-power involved. As I said
before, many folks find these approaches are actually smaller steps --
much easier -- than the more traditional approaches.


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¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

On 16 Jan 2004 18:14:39 GMT, Ignoramus28064
wrote:
In article , nck wrote:
Well, goody for you and welcome to my killfile
I have a feeling your prepackaged food stuff won't work for you in the
long run... I can sense denial on your part,

It's really rude to take personal pot-shots at people just because you
learn that they're not going to defend themselves. It actually
reflects much more poorly on you than on them.

Good luck anyway, I wish you to prove me wrong. I give you about 30%
success probability.

Huh? Given that the success probability for traditional approaches is
5%, 30% is an incredible endorsement, far beyond any reasonable
expectations. Even the most effective approaches can boast only a
22%-23% success rate. I bet Nutri-system's is closer to 10% or maybe
even lower. However, that's much much much much better than doing
nothing, and indeed probably better than traditional approaches.


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¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

"bicker 2004" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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On 16 Jan 2004 18:14:39 GMT, Ignoramus28064
wrote:
In article , nck wrote:
Well, goody for you and welcome to my killfile
I have a feeling your prepackaged food stuff won't work for you in the
long run... I can sense denial on your part,

It's really rude to take personal pot-shots at people just because you
learn that they're not going to defend themselves. It actually
reflects much more poorly on you than on them.

Everyone who doesn't agree with him is in denial. I got an email from
someone with one of his posts where he was telling me that I was in denial
and taking shots at me. Just got one this morning from someone where he's
calling me a liar in another thread. Apparently because I'm aware of his
repeated shots at me I must be lying about having him kf'd.

Pointing out the facts and truth about his behavior will only lead him to
more posts justifying his actions in some self-deluded fantasy that he's
more important than he really is. He's right, everyone else is wrong,
period.

BTW bicker - nice to hear from you again!

Jenn

"bicker 2004" 1NVAL1D wrote in message
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Well, I wouldn't really glorify the will-power involved. As I said
before, many folks find these approaches are actually smaller steps --
much easier -- than the more traditional approaches.


That's what I've liked about HMR. You take a step and maybe it doesn't go
as planned so you take a smaller one the next time and it helps you bounce
back. It's hard to undo 30 years of bad habits in one year.

Jenn

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:08:15 -0600, "JMA"
wrote:
BTW bicker - nice to hear from you again!

Thanks! Between work and PA I'm not on USENET much anymore.


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¤bicker¤
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than
to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
- Carl Sagan

People are, of course, welcome to place whatever irrelevant
limitations on their ability to enjoy something that they wish.

Ignoramus28064 wrote:
In article , jmk wrote:


On 1/16/2004 3:19 PM, Ignoramus28064 wrote:

In article , jmk wrote:


On 1/16/2004 1:14 PM, Ignoramus28064 wrote:


In article , nck wrote:



Well, goody for you and welcome to my killfile


I have a feeling your prepackaged food stuff won't work for you in the
long run...

Actually, I know someone who did really really well on Nutrisystems.
That was about 10 years ago. She lost all of the weight that she needed
to and then transitioned what Ig is referring to as "real food." She
had some problems in the transition but that was all related to sodium
(apparently Nutrisystems was very low sodium at the time and she home
cooking was not or at least less so). Anyway, as with all programs,
YMMV. Best of luck to you.



Did your friend take transition very seriously?

What does that mean?



Did she think that it would happen automatically, or did she spend
some energy preparing for it, reading on it, or spending some
effort on her transition?

i

Well, gee, she *was* paying enough attention to know that the problem
was sodium. What do you think?

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jmk in NC