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Conflicting requirements of different diets. Kidney stone prevention. Diabetes prevention. Heart disease prevention. Reinforcing nutrition advice over time.
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How do you sort out what appear to be conflicting requirements of several different diets?... for a) kidney stone prevention, b) diabetes prevention, c) heart disease prevention, d) et al. I get stymied in the supermarket aisles attempting to get it all sorted out. 2. How do you reinforce what happens when you visit the RD registered dietician, get back home and try recalling everything from the medical center nutrition department accurately?... Currently I've borrowed from our public library the book No-Fad Diet, a personal plan... American Heart Association 2005 |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
|| Type 2 diabetes is caused by chronic overeating of carbs, || so low carb is the best for this. I believe your first statement is incorrect . Diabetes is hereditary; the exact cause is unknown. Many people can eat carbs till the cows come home and never develop blood sugar problems. Most people who eat a diet high in carbs and low in fat and thus maintain a normal body weight don't normally develop symptom of t2 diabetes. But weight gain -- be it from excess carbs or excess fat or both -- is the quickest way for those who are susceptile to T2 diabetes to develop syndrome X and/or full blown diabetes. Your second statement is true, though. Those of us who limit carbs are better able to control our t2 diabetes than those who limit fat. This is because the low-carb eating helps prevent the insulin spikes causing glucose highs and lows, while those who eat low-fat have to eat several small meals a day to accomplish something similar. I agree that low-carb is the best eating plan for t2 diabetes; it's the combination of the lowered calorie weight loss and evened out blood sugars from low carb that does it. -- Peter T2 diabetic, controlled with low-carb way of eating and no meds. |
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Marengo wrote:
: Doug Freyburger wrote: : : || Type 2 diabetes is caused by chronic overeating of carbs, : || so low carb is the best for this. : : I believe your first statement is incorrect . Diabetes is : hereditary; the exact cause is unknown. Many people can eat carbs : till the cows come home and never develop blood sugar problems. Most : people who eat a diet high in carbs and low in fat and thus maintain : a normal body weight don't normally develop symptom of t2 diabetes. : But weight gain -- be it from excess carbs or excess fat or both -- : is the quickest way for those who are susceptile to T2 diabetes to : develop syndrome X and/or full blown diabetes. I wonder. Since the exact cause is unknown, how do we really know that certain people, who perhaps have a genetic defect, become T2 from eating too damn many carbs and transfats? I know that's the road I took to becoming a T2. I don't know anyone who got there otherwise (not saying that there aren't any, I just don't know of them). : : Your second statement is true, though. Those of us who limit carbs : are better able to control our t2 diabetes than those who limit fat. : This is because the low-carb eating helps prevent the insulin spikes : causing glucose highs and lows, while those who eat low-fat have to : eat several small meals a day to accomplish something similar. I : agree that low-carb is the best eating plan for t2 diabetes; it's : the combination of the lowered calorie weight loss and evened out : blood sugars from low carb that does it. -- : Peter : T2 diabetic, controlled with low-carb way of eating and no meds. |
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Roger Zoul wrote:
Marengo wrote: : Doug Freyburger wrote: : || Type 2 diabetes is caused by chronic overeating of carbs, : || so low carb is the best for this. : I believe your first statement is incorrect . Diabetes is : hereditary; the exact cause is unknown. Many people can eat carbs : till the cows come home and never develop blood sugar problems ... I wonder. Since the exact cause is unknown, how do we really know that certain people, who perhaps have a genetic defect, become T2 from eating too damn many carbs and transfats? I know that's the road I took to becoming a T2. I don't know anyone who got there otherwise (not saying that there aren't any, I just don't know of them). The folks who got there otherwise are generally labelled type 1. I admit that the linkage has not been formally established but that doesn't make it clear cut. The food pyramid came out in 1992. Stress on eating grain came out when grain was given its own fod group decades before that. Since the rise in sugar and refined grain consumption started a century ago, diabetes has become gradually more common. Since the introduction of the food pyradmid under two decades ago diabetes has become an epidemic. On transfats diabetes started its rise before they came into common use. This isn't evidence that they are innocent as diabetes accelerated once they appeared, but it does mean that diabetes can be caused in their absense. So what I take as sufficient evidence to implicate high carb intake as the most common cause of diabetes isn't something everyone on ASDLC agrees with. Shrug. Disagreement is diversity and there is strength in diversity. Disagreement is good that way. We agree that low carbing does tend to prevent diabetes and it is extremely well established that low carb is a good treatment of existing diabetes. |
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
oups.com... .... I admit that the linkage has not been formally established but that doesn't make it clear cut. The food pyramid came out in 1992. Stress on eating grain came out when grain Doug, are you sure about that date? I thought it was around the early '70's...? DustyB |
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Dusty Bleher wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: I admit that the linkage has not been formally established but that doesn't make it clear cut. The food pyramid came out in 1992. Stress on eating grain came out when grain Doug, are you sure about that date? I thought it was around the early '70's...? Definitely. The USDA food pyramid is from 1992. Many confuse it with the four food groups. I think those came out in the early 1970s. When I was in high school in the mid 1970s the food groups were taught and the pyramid did not exist yet. Also I recall earlier version of the pyramid listed the grain rung as "whole grains" but somewhere along the way the "whole" part was dropped. When the pyramid was new I remember asking myself just were all of those whole grains were when I couldn't even consistantly find brown rice in every grocery store. The idea that grains are essential to life dates back to at least classic Greek days, so it is not new even on a scale of decades or centuries. It's wrong, of course. Humans can live in perfect health their entire lives without ever eating a bite of grass. It is right in a different viewpoint, though - Grain cultivation was one of the starting points of civilization and without grain cultivation most of the more recent advances like the ancient Greek alphabet and smelting bronze and building Roman roads may never have happened. Grain is essential to the life of the poor on a social scale, not essential to life of the individual on a biological scale. Should society advance to the point where no one is poor (a goal always closer never acheived) no one would need to eat grain again. A diet of veggies, meat, dairy and fruits is a rich person's diet. A diet of grain is a poor person's diet. |
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
oups.com... Dusty Bleher wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: I admit that the linkage has not been formally established but that doesn't make it clear cut. The food pyramid came out in 1992. Stress on eating grain came out when grain Doug, are you sure about that date? I thought it was around the early '70's...? Definitely. The USDA food pyramid is from 1992. Many confuse it with the four food groups. I think those came out in the Yeah. That was probably it... .... The idea that grains are essential to life dates back to at least classic Greek days, so it is not new even on a scale of decades or centuries. It's wrong, of course. Humans can Yep. Certainly true enough. .... happened. Grain is essential to the life of the poor on a social scale, not essential to life of the individual on a biological scale. Should society advance to the point where An interesting point. Well said. Thanks, DustyB |
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