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Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:17:13 +0300 in article
Matti Narkia wrote: 22 Sep 2004 16:01:54 -0700 in article m (Tony Lew) wrote: Little dairy? Really? Then what do the mediterraneans do with all the cheese they make? Export it? Feed it to the dogs? The best example of Mediterranean diet is the traditional Cretan diet, which contains relatively low amount of dairy products. Only fermented dairy products, feta cheese and yoghurt made of goat or sheep milk are used. And yes, Mediterranean countries do export cheese. There is an interesting comment about cheese in thearticle Serge Renaud: from French paradox to Cretan miracle. Lancet 2000; 355: 48 - 52. URL:http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol355/iss9197/full/llan.355.9197.news.2419.1 "Renaud's answer is simple. The participants in the Lyon study ate like Cretans: no butter, cream, or milk; lots of vegetables, fruit, bread, and cereals; and little meat. For the study, Renaud designed a margarine similar in composition to olive oil, but enriched in alpha-linolenic acid. Patients ate cheese ("a 9000 year old invention not linked to coronary disease") and, of course, drank wine. Other linolenic acid-rich ingredients of the Cretan diet-- walnuts, snails, and purslane--were replaced by his margarine. Although linolenic acid's protective effects have been corroborated in other studies, Ducimetière warns that "the extraordinary [Lyon] results await confirmation"." See also de Lorgeril M, Renaud S, Mamelle N, Salen P, Martin JL, Monjaud I, Guidollet J, Touboul P, Delaye J. Mediterranean alpha-linolenic acid-rich diet in secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Lancet. 1994 Jun 11;343(8911):1454-9. Erratum in: Lancet 1995 Mar 18;345(8951):738. PMID: 7911176 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] URL:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=791117 6&dopt=Abstract de Lorgeril M, Salen P, Martin J-L, Monjaud I, Delaye J, Mamelle N: Mediterranean diet, traditional risk factors and the rate of cardiovascular complications after myocardial infarction. Final report of the Lyon Diet Heart Study. Circulation 1999, February 16, 99:779-785 URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/779 Leaf A. Dietary prevention of coronary heart disease: the Lyon Diet Heart Study. Circulation. 1999 Feb 16;99(6):733-5. URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/733 -- Matti Narkia |
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Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:17:13 +0300 in article
Matti Narkia wrote: 22 Sep 2004 16:01:54 -0700 in article m (Tony Lew) wrote: Little dairy? Really? Then what do the mediterraneans do with all the cheese they make? Export it? Feed it to the dogs? The best example of Mediterranean diet is the traditional Cretan diet, which contains relatively low amount of dairy products. Only fermented dairy products, feta cheese and yoghurt made of goat or sheep milk are used. And yes, Mediterranean countries do export cheese. There is an interesting comment about cheese in thearticle Serge Renaud: from French paradox to Cretan miracle. Lancet 2000; 355: 48 - 52. URL:http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol355/iss9197/full/llan.355.9197.news.2419.1 "Renaud's answer is simple. The participants in the Lyon study ate like Cretans: no butter, cream, or milk; lots of vegetables, fruit, bread, and cereals; and little meat. For the study, Renaud designed a margarine similar in composition to olive oil, but enriched in alpha-linolenic acid. Patients ate cheese ("a 9000 year old invention not linked to coronary disease") and, of course, drank wine. Other linolenic acid-rich ingredients of the Cretan diet-- walnuts, snails, and purslane--were replaced by his margarine. Although linolenic acid's protective effects have been corroborated in other studies, Ducimetière warns that "the extraordinary [Lyon] results await confirmation"." See also de Lorgeril M, Renaud S, Mamelle N, Salen P, Martin JL, Monjaud I, Guidollet J, Touboul P, Delaye J. Mediterranean alpha-linolenic acid-rich diet in secondary prevention of coronary heart disease. Lancet. 1994 Jun 11;343(8911):1454-9. Erratum in: Lancet 1995 Mar 18;345(8951):738. PMID: 7911176 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] URL:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=791117 6&dopt=Abstract de Lorgeril M, Salen P, Martin J-L, Monjaud I, Delaye J, Mamelle N: Mediterranean diet, traditional risk factors and the rate of cardiovascular complications after myocardial infarction. Final report of the Lyon Diet Heart Study. Circulation 1999, February 16, 99:779-785 URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/779 Leaf A. Dietary prevention of coronary heart disease: the Lyon Diet Heart Study. Circulation. 1999 Feb 16;99(6):733-5. URL:http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/99/6/733 -- Matti Narkia |
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"We should all eat like a Mediterranean",
I think this would depend on WHICH Mediterrenean! (coming from a Mediterranean family I know of what I speak!!) |
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We should all promise not to cross post any more! Starting with you, Roman.
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We should all promise not to cross post any more! Starting with you, Roman.
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Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:37:06 GMT in article
"Dropped 21" wrote: "We should all eat like a Mediterranean", I think this would depend on WHICH Mediterrenean! (coming from a Mediterranean family I know of what I speak!!) Like an average Cretan used to eat in 1960s and earlier (ok, we might not be able to get purslane and Cretan snails, but following the main principles of the traditional Cretan diet would probably be a healthy choice for the vast majority of people in modern western societies). -- Matti Narkia |
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Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:37:06 GMT in article
"Dropped 21" wrote: "We should all eat like a Mediterranean", I think this would depend on WHICH Mediterrenean! (coming from a Mediterranean family I know of what I speak!!) Like an average Cretan used to eat in 1960s and earlier (ok, we might not be able to get purslane and Cretan snails, but following the main principles of the traditional Cretan diet would probably be a healthy choice for the vast majority of people in modern western societies). -- Matti Narkia |
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