Blame Your Mother

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"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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So what. If you have some condition or disease or genetic/chemical makeup
that makes you prone to obesity it simply means you will need to work harder
than the average person who was dealt a better hand. I'm going deaf and I
have to go through more effort than you to communicate effectively in a face
to face setting. Just because I know the exact cause of my condition (which
happens to be congential) doesn't mean I should sit back and wallow in pity
over it. It's also MY responsibility to make sure I can function at work
and make the necessary accomodations, no one else's.

I know why I became supermorbidly obese. I was obese from the time I was 6
years old until I finally found a way to stop being obese. I also know that
for the rest of my life I won't be able to eat the same kinds or quantities
of foods as some of my female friends because my body wants desperately to
be fat again. Like I tell my kids and I tell my hormones - you can't always
get what you want. Doesn't matter to me if it came from my mother,
grandmother, or my 3rd cousin twice removed on my father's side. All that
matters is that I have to CHOOSE what I want and the DO what it takes to get
what I want.
--
the volleyballchick
in the end I *always* get what I want

Nunya B. wrote:
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So what.

That's quite the spirit of exploration you have. It's fascinating, don't
you think?

If you have some condition or disease or genetic/chemical makeup
that makes you prone to obesity it simply means you will need to work harder
than the average person who was dealt a better hand.

A lot of people don't know they got dealt a hand at all.

And how do you work harder to make yourself taller? That's a lot of what
obesity is like.


I know why I became supermorbidly obese.

I doubt it. We have no way to tell what hand you were dealt. You know
it's hard. But you don't know how hard or why.

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Nunya B. wrote:
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So what.

That's quite the spirit of exploration you have. It's fascinating, don't
you think?

Not really. I have other interests that I pursue that are more rewarding.
You know nothing about my "spirit of exploration." I'd rather try a new
sport, hike a new trail, or play with new fitness gadgets than sit around
and read for excuses to make about my weight issues. With regards to
research, I do plenty, just in a different field that probably wouldn't be
of interest to you regardless of your "spirit of exploration."

If you have some condition or disease or genetic/chemical makeup that
makes you prone to obesity it simply means you will need to work harder
than the average person who was dealt a better hand.

A lot of people don't know they got dealt a hand at all.

And how do you work harder to make yourself taller? That's a lot of what
obesity is like.

I was obese for over 30 years and working on it for 25 of those years, so I
have a clue, apparently more than you do. Obesity and height are not alike.
Obesity is preventable for most adults. For those who were obese as children
it is treatable unless you are one of the rare cases of Prader-Willi
Syndrome. Nothing I can do to myself will make me taller (besides wearing
heels), but experiementing with what I eat and how I exercise to find a WOL
that will let me be a normal sized person makes me thinner.

I know why I became supermorbidly obese.

I doubt it. We have no way to tell what hand you were dealt. You know it's
hard. But you don't know how hard or why.

It's a little (a lot) presumptuous and rather arrogant for you to decide
that you know more about me than I do about me since you know nearly nothing
about me. I actually do know the physiological basis for my history of
obesity and I know enough about it to control what I can. Do I know it to
the genetic level? No, but then again there wouldn't be anything I could do
about it since I can't change my genes so I work with what I know and have a
life beyond that. As I said, it's like my hearing loss. I know the exact
process of the congenital defect that runs in my family that is causing me
to go deaf. I know where it came from and how I ended up with it. It's not
going to make me hear again.
--
the volleyballchick

Nunya B. wrote:
That's quite the spirit of exploration you have. It's fascinating, don't
you think?


Not really. I have other interests that I pursue that are more rewarding.
You know nothing about my "spirit of exploration."

But I do. When fascinating new information comes in about how we work,
your response is "so what." Your only lense is your struggle with weight.

I'd rather try a new
sport, hike a new trail, or play with new fitness gadgets than sit around
and read for excuses to make about my weight issues.

Reasons are different than excuses. When a piano falls on your head, the
excuse isn't gravity.

With regards to
research, I do plenty, just in a different field that probably wouldn't be
of interest to you regardless of your "spirit of exploration."

And your spirit moves you to limit what I can be interested in as well.


I was obese for over 30 years and working on it for 25 of those years, so I
have a clue, apparently more than you do.

Why would you say that? Your previous obesity isn't an "i know
everything about it" card.

Obesity and height are not alike.

Actually they are. Between 50-70% obesity is thought to be genetic.

Obesity is preventable for most adults.

Stick somone in a controlled situation eating controlled foods and it is
100% preventable. That's not the situation we live in however.

For those who were obese as children
it is treatable unless you are one of the rare cases of Prader-Willi
Syndrome.

There are a lot more genetic issues than that.

Nothing I can do to myself will make me taller (besides wearing
heels),

Nutrition while growing would have made an immense difference.
Environment influence genetics and genetics influence our environment.

but experiementing with what I eat and how I exercise to find a WOL
that will let me be a normal sized person makes me thinner.

If you are a black woman who has naturally more ghrelin which makes you
naturally hungrier, at what point does that go from excuse to a reason?

If you are saying no matter what you can always be thing no matter how
hard your body makes it, then I can't completely agree, but let's say I
mostly agree.

For most people most of the time will they be able to win over the vast
forces against them?

"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Nunya B. wrote:
That's quite the spirit of exploration you have. It's fascinating, don't
you think?


Not really. I have other interests that I pursue that are more
rewarding. You know nothing about my "spirit of exploration."

But I do. When fascinating new information comes in about how we work,
your response is "so what." Your only lense is your struggle with weight.

I'd rather try a new sport, hike a new trail, or play with new fitness
gadgets than sit around and read for excuses to make about my weight
issues.

Reasons are different than excuses. When a piano falls on your head, the
excuse isn't gravity.

Do you just use some kind of random word generator or something?

With regards to research, I do plenty, just in a different field that
probably wouldn't be of interest to you regardless of your "spirit of
exploration."

And your spirit moves you to limit what I can be interested in as well.


I was obese for over 30 years and working on it for 25 of those years, so
I have a clue, apparently more than you do.

Why would you say that? Your previous obesity isn't an "i know everything
about it" card.

No, it isn't, but I do know enough about it to have tackled it without being
a self-righteous ass.

Obesity and height are not alike.

Actually they are. Between 50-70% obesity is thought to be genetic.

But you can't control your height. There are some genetic things I can
control and others I can't. My weight is under my control in the long run.
I might have to do some really difficult things to control it but that would
be my decision whether or not to do so.

Obesity is preventable for most adults.

Stick somone in a controlled situation eating controlled foods and it is
100% preventable. That's not the situation we live in however.

You're right, we don't live in a lab so that's why I don't regard these
studies as the holy grail. However, I am an adult and have free will. I
can decide to be a victim of my circumstances or I can work with what I
personally have control over. No one is forcing Krispy Kremes down my
throat or yours. I've dealt with compusive eating issues as a bulimic so I
know very well how I can be affected by my environment. I CHOSE to learn
coping skills that didn't involve cramming food in my face. Obesity is
preventable almost all cases. People just might not like the methods needed
to prevent it. That is the point here.

For those who were obese as children it is treatable unless you are one of
the rare cases of Prader-Willi Syndrome.

There are a lot more genetic issues than that.

Most other "genetic" issues are still theory and despite the issues people
have overcome them by doing whatever it took.

Nothing I can do to myself will make me taller (besides wearing heels),

Nutrition while growing would have made an immense difference. Environment
influence genetics and genetics influence our environment.

You're way off here. ADULTS can prevent obesity or treat their obesity.
ADULTS have some control over their environment. There is no way ADULTS can
make themselves physically taller but they can become thinner. And
regardless of my nutrition and environment, I'd never be 5'10" because I
come from a family of short people (genetics). However I come from fat
people too and was raised in a food-is-love environment and yet I managed to
go from being the largest person in my immediate family to the smallest.

but experiementing with what I eat and how I exercise to find a WOL that
will let me be a normal sized person makes me thinner.

If you are a black woman who has naturally more ghrelin which makes you
naturally hungrier, at what point does that go from excuse to a reason?

When the woman uses that excuse to not even attempt to deal with the hunger
in a productive way.

If you are saying no matter what you can always be thing no matter how
hard your body makes it, then I can't completely agree, but let's say I
mostly agree.

You can depending on how far you are willing to go and what you are willing
to endure in an extreme case.

For most people most of the time will they be able to win over the vast
forces against them?

Not in today's society because people want an easy way out and don't want to
deal with hard work or discomfort.
--
the volleyballchick

Stacey Bender wrote in message
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Maybe I'm missing something here. My mother was not a mouse.

Matthew

Stacey Bender wrote:
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If this is true then there's a whole generation of Americans who are
pickles, ice cream and cigarettes.


--Snappy