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Wanted: Ephedra sources
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:35:03 -0400, Sammy
wrote: In article , "Bob Garrison" wrote: What clinical studies? Define "ephedra-related fatalities" I'm not taking the ephedra - please feel free to do your own research. There've been a few articles in the NYTimes, which keeps an online archive. I'd bet it'll go the way of PPA fairly soon. But the NT Times is famous for it's crusades against drugs in general - due to the focus of the editor there. Please cite the actual studies - 2nd hand prejudice isn't worth much. I'm not interested in debating it; I believe the basic info is out there. Because assaying ephedrine in post-mortem specimens requires special testing, coroners and medical examiners haven't been testing for it until recently. I suspect that reporting of ephedra-related deaths will rise during the next couple of years. Again, your body, your call. Don't believe what you read on the internet! My stuff included. |
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Wanted: Ephedra sources
"Jasbird" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:35:03 -0400, Sammy wrote: In article , "Bob Garrison" wrote: What clinical studies? Define "ephedra-related fatalities" I'm not taking the ephedra - please feel free to do your own research. There've been a few articles in the NYTimes, which keeps an online archive. I'd bet it'll go the way of PPA fairly soon. But the NT Times is famous for it's crusades against drugs in general - due to the focus of the editor there. Please cite the actual studies - 2nd hand prejudice isn't worth much. It has just been announced that Pennington Biomedical here in town will be conducting an ephedra study. There is even some controversy about that because on the the docs has served as an expert witness for ephedra before. However, I know some of the people from there and have followed their work over the years. One of my best friends from nursing school is director of the division that implements the study designs and he always has interesting tales to tell but never any that would make me suspect that the work done was less than professional. (The NASA studies were fun because he had to entertain people who were in bed without being able to get up for a prolonged period of time. If they got up once, the study was toast.) So, hopefully with Pennington Biomedical and other research centers, we will have real studies to look at after a while. Information available now does speak to the effectiveness of the medication but there are conflicting studies on side effects. My personal, unscientific opinion is that often ephedra is not used as directed. Lots of teens and college age persons take the drug in excessive quantities for the purposes of partying all night. My 18 yr old son tells me that several of the very thin girls he knows take it to lose weight and don't eat well at all which I imagine predisposes them to problems. Also, the nature of the drug is such that it will add stress to the body; especially the cardiovascular system, and therefore should be avoided by people who are not well. Does it warrant becoming a legend drug so that it is not available to teens, etc.? I think there are strong arguments both ways and I would like to see more research done relative to the actual use of the drug as opposed to the intended use. j I'm not interested in debating it; I believe the basic info is out there. Because assaying ephedrine in post-mortem specimens requires special testing, coroners and medical examiners haven't been testing for it until recently. I suspect that reporting of ephedra-related deaths will rise during the next couple of years. Again, your body, your call. Don't believe what you read on the internet! My stuff included. |
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Wanted: Ephedra sources
If the original poster is still looking for ephedra, try either
pseudoephedrine (Sudafed and similar), or a variety of herbal sources like Mormon Tea, Sea Grape, Ma Huang, and Yellow Horse. Mormon tea and yellow horse may actually be the same plant, I'm not sure. |
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Wanted: Ephedra sources
And GNC and Walmart are selling out their ephedra based
products and not restocking because they are afraid of lawsuits when healthy people who should not have strokes die of strokes. Jasbird wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:35:03 -0400, Sammy wrote: In article , "Bob Garrison" wrote: What clinical studies? Define "ephedra-related fatalities" I'm not taking the ephedra - please feel free to do your own research. There've been a few articles in the NYTimes, which keeps an online archive. I'd bet it'll go the way of PPA fairly soon. But the NT Times is famous for it's crusades against drugs in general - due to the focus of the editor there. Please cite the actual studies - 2nd hand prejudice isn't worth much. I'm not interested in debating it; I believe the basic info is out there. Because assaying ephedrine in post-mortem specimens requires special testing, coroners and medical examiners haven't been testing for it until recently. I suspect that reporting of ephedra-related deaths will rise during the next couple of years. Again, your body, your call. Don't believe what you read on the internet! My stuff included. |
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Wanted: Ephedra sources
You can still buy OTC asthma medicine such as Primatene which is a
controlled dose of ephedra. It's a better source than the herbals because the dose is controlled and it's much cheaper. Melissa "Vioxel" wrote in message ... If the original poster is still looking for ephedra, try either pseudoephedrine (Sudafed and similar), or a variety of herbal sources like Mormon Tea, Sea Grape, Ma Huang, and Yellow Horse. Mormon tea and yellow horse may actually be the same plant, I'm not sure. |
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Wanted: Ephedra sources
Vioxel wrote:
If the original poster is still looking for ephedra, try either pseudoephedrine (Sudafed and similar), or a variety of herbal sources like Mormon Tea, Sea Grape, Ma Huang, and Yellow Horse. Mormon tea and yellow horse may actually be the same plant, I'm not sure. Pseudoephedrine has not been not shown to have thermogenic properties. Perhaps you meant ephedrine HCL (Primatene tablets and others). Ha Huang *is* the ephedra the OP is looking for (Ephedra sinica). The American plant, Ephedra spp. (Mormon/desert tea) has only traces of ephedrine-related alkaloid, AFAIH. I'm not familiar with sea grape, but it's apparently an obscure Ephedra plant found in Russia. I think yellow horse is an urban name for ma huang as "herbal ecstasy," but I'm not sure. -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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Wanted: Ephedra sources
"jamie" wrote in message ... Vioxel wrote: If the original poster is still looking for ephedra, try either pseudoephedrine (Sudafed and similar), or a variety of herbal sources like Mormon Tea, Sea Grape, Ma Huang, and Yellow Horse. Mormon tea and yellow horse may actually be the same plant, I'm not sure. Pseudoephedrine has not been not shown to have thermogenic properties. Perhaps you meant ephedrine HCL (Primatene tablets and others). Ha Huang *is* the ephedra the OP is looking for (Ephedra sinica). The American plant, Ephedra spp. (Mormon/desert tea) has only traces of ephedrine-related alkaloid, AFAIH. I'm not familiar with sea grape, but it's apparently an obscure Ephedra plant found in Russia. I think yellow horse is an urban name for ma huang as "herbal ecstasy," but I'm not sure. -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." :-) I was reading this in talk.politics.drugs. I thought OP was looking for a recreational experience. Pseudoephedrine will still cause increased heart rate, mild visual irregularities, sleeplessness, etc., when taken in large quantities. You're correct that it is not thermogenic. I didn't realize that was the goal. It may cause you to burn a _few_ extra calories to keep your heart pumping fast, but overall a swift walk would be more effective for weight loss. |
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