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"Lictor" wrote:

"Jean M." wrote in message
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"Lictor" wrote:
she doesn't want me to get
sterilized (which is illegal in my country anyway).

It is illegal in France to get a vasectomy?

If you never had kids, yet it is. Or at least, it was a while ago, I haven't
checked recently.
It's considered a mutilation and its mainly irreversible, and as a result,
many surgeons are not so hot about it.

Is it illegal or are surgeons just not so hot about it? There is a
difference.

In Luna
wrote:

I've been to the Planned Parenthood in Atlanta many, many times, and I
see plenty of posters and pamphlets on the morning after pill,
condoms, birth control pills, and yes, abortion. I have not seen ONE
pamphlet or poster there on abstinence or adoption. I don't know
what goes on in private consultations, but I know what they present
to the casual viewer in the waiting rooms, and that at least is not
balanced.


Hmmm..the one that is here (actually in the town I used to live in)
works with a place called grandma's house. ONe of my friends has spent a
lot of volunteer time there. It's a place for teenage girls to stay
that are pregnant with no place to go...both one's who are planning to
keep child and one's which are planning adoptions.

Planned Parent hood provides counseling for those who are still unsure
of their choices and then they provide medical care. The majority of
the medical care they provide is birth control. So not surprising to
see posters mostly on that aspect. Most people abstaining have no need
to go to planned parenthood...Unless it's for other medical reasons...
which would have nothing to do with abstenence...but some other
reproductive issue. On abortion, well it may make many uncomfortable to
see a poster on abortion...but many that go to pph are very young and
already made the decision to abort. They are most likely very nervous,
hesitant and scared about their decision. Also in that particular town
they just walked through a huge group of pro-life picketers ....so
perhaps coming into a building that is obviously ok with their decision
will help relieve them so they can make a better choice...whatever that
choice turns out to be.

Luna wrote:

I've been to the Planned Parenthood in Atlanta many, many times, and I see
plenty of posters and pamphlets on the morning after pill, condoms, birth
control pills, and yes, abortion. I have not seen ONE pamphlet or poster
there on abstinence or adoption. I don't know what goes on in private
consultations, but I know what they present to the casual viewer in the
waiting rooms, and that at least is not balanced.

There are brochures about adoption at my local PP. YPPMV.

My own annoyance with them is there is too much emphasis on non-condom
methods of birth control. Unless you're in a monogamaus relationship
with a previously healthy-tested partner, condoms are a necessity
regardless of pregnancy concerns.

I just find the focus on pregnancy as the primary concern regarding sex
to be a limiting viewpoint since AIDS. When I was 16, being on the pill
was "mostly" safe sex; but by the time my daughter was 16, that was no
longer the case.

In fact, I find birth control to be *dangerous* in some circumstances as
I can see someone rationalizing that it's "OK" to have sex without a
condom "just this once" cause they're on the pill or the shot... and
ending up in a situation much worse than an unintended pregnancy.
*Especially* with teenagers, whom I distrust to make rational decisions
largely based on the fact that I was a complete idjit at that age myself.

--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

"brian lanning" wrote in message
om...
Luna wrote in message
.. .
Um, ok. But, um, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't it possible to
give an unwanted child up for adoption, with all medical expenses
covered
by the adopters?

Hey Michelle, stop confusing the issue with the facts. :-)

My favorite pro-life statement I've ever heard is this: "It is a
poverty that a child must die so that you can live in the manner of
your choosing." That was from Mother Theresa.

brian

Brian, I would hardly expect her to take a stance other than the
organization's official one. In real life things are not so idealistic. I
don't think it is desirable to abort either, but it is often the lesser of
evils.

You can't "kill" something that has never started, so what is the church's
beef with birth control? They don't endorse that either.

In my day there were less options and lots more unwanted pregnancies. But
there were still abortions, because there were still women who didn't find
it feasible to bring an unwanted child into the world. Legal or not, there
will always be abortions. Better to keep it safe so they get through it OK.
--
Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

: In
Luna
: wrote:
:
: I don't think my opinions should be made into laws, however,
but I
: would be happy with requirements that places like Planned
Parenthood
: at least offer information on adoption.
:
:

i don't know where you are luna, but our PP offers information on
ALL options.

"Jackie Patti" wrote in message
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My own annoyance with them is there is too much emphasis on non-condom
methods of birth control. Unless you're in a monogamaus relationship
with a previously healthy-tested partner, condoms are a necessity
regardless of pregnancy concerns.

Especially since we're in full relapse at the moment. In France, around 30%
of the teenagers use a condom for their first intercourse.
Besides, there is more to safe sex than condoms. You might get information
on condoms, but the notion of using a dental barrier (translation?) for oral
sex is something that most people, including professionnal, do not even now
exist. That's the kind of information you get from gay associations, not PP.

Lictor quoth:
Especially since we're in full relapse at the moment. In France, around 30%
of the teenagers use a condom for their first intercourse.
Besides, there is more to safe sex than condoms. You might get information
on condoms, but the notion of using a dental barrier (translation?) for oral

In the US, these are called "dental dams."

sex is something that most people, including professionnal, do not even now
exist. That's the kind of information you get from gay associations, not PP.

Priscilla
--
"I think I might give growing up a miss. After all, I've left it rather
late, and what would be the point?" Chris Malcolm in alt.support.menopause

Evelyn Ruut quoth:

You can't "kill" something that has never started, so what is the church's
beef with birth control? They don't endorse that either.

Just for information's sake, my understanding is that some methods of
birth control allow an egg to be fertilized but prevent its implantation
and/or make it exit with menstruation. I believe the Pill and IUD fall
into this category. I believe the RCC considers that to be the equivalent of
an abortion. There's a certain logic to that position.

Other methods are opposed because the RC hierarchy views sex as
permissable only when there is the possibility of procreation. Barriers
like condoms and diaphragms remove that possibility.

I don't necessarily agree with these, but you did ask "what is the ...
beef?" ;-) Needless to say, both of these tidbits sit on top of cans of
worms the size of Lithuania.

Priscilla, former RC

Archon wrote:

Perhaps lack of experience in that sort of thing?

Maybe.

To be honest, I don't know how my inlaws feel about abortion, but I
passed the info along. What they do with it is up to them. But... I
don't frankly expect to be flamed for passing the info along, or to get
into a big abortion argument over it.

Though frankly, I *would* expect such on Usenet as it's always been a
free-for-all and thread drift *always* happens. Still, I can see how
someone could expect passing the info along would not necessarily expect it.

--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food

Lictor wrote:

Especially since we're in full relapse at the moment. In France, around 30%
of the teenagers use a condom for their first intercourse.
Besides, there is more to safe sex than condoms. You might get information
on condoms, but the notion of using a dental barrier (translation?) for oral
sex is something that most people, including professionnal, do not even now
exist. That's the kind of information you get from gay associations, not PP.

They're called dental dams here. Not nearly as widely available as
condoms though. And frankly, you can cut a condom the long way and make
a "homemade" barrier easier and cheaper than procuring dental dams.

Given that the majority of oral sex occurs in heterosexual couplings, I
think leaving safe sex education in the hands of gay organizations is
unsafe. I wish PP pushed it more. I wish the schools pushed it more
also.

--
As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy
to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has
to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value.
Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets.
-- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food