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Old May 19th, 2004, 03:46 PM
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I would be careful taking any supplements that are over 50%of the USDA
recommended amounts. I don't know why companies that make supplements
do not make smaller doses (my wife cannot stand anything that is over
250 mg).

I will never go on the Atkinks diet because your body just doesn't use
all that protein, and your guts will have a hard time getting rid of
it all if you do not eat A LOT of fiber. Guess where fiber comes
from? Carbs (wheat)? So if you want to plug up your system with a
bunch of undigested meat....

By the way, you are squeezing all the fat out of that meat right? Go
ahead, warm up that meat to about 150 deg, put it between some paper
towels and press down. I guarantee that if you do that to one of
those fast food burgers (you can order them just meat and bread, and
reheat it in the microwave) and actually see how much grease is in the
meat, you will never order anything but a small burger (not the
quarter pounders and above) again.

I say this also because some farm growers are worried about their
juice market because of this diet. With so many people on the go, it
pays to drink several juices (v8, grape, apple, orange, etc.) becuase
it may not be economical to buy fresh fruit that costs three times as
much as juice (come on now, what is the difference between a fruit in
a blender?)?

One of the best ways of loosing weight is to go swimming, because you
sweat your buns off (literally), yet do not realize it because you are
in the water. Now the problem for a lot of people is access to a
pool, you need money (hint, hint).

I quit drinking soda and lost about 10 pounds, and feel a lot stabler
(no ups and downs).


(Jim Carver) wrote in message . com...
Hello Bob!

Moral weakness? This is ridiculous! Morality has nothing to do with
being overweight. And lack of knowledge typically doesn't either, as the


You are correct 100%. Moral weakness, which I am sure he was trying
to use as a slang term has nothing to do with loosing. I have worked
as a nutritionist with dozens of people, and have found that we
basically has the same amount of will power no matter what I walk of
life. The trick is trying to understand why are are craving what you
are...

Education, on the other hand, like every other subject in in life, is
exceptionally powerful in dealing with cravings and weight control.
The only problem is that there is so much miss-information out there
that it is just sickening...

common conception is that low fat = good. I've come to believe that low
fat = terrible.


And you would be right again in this regard. Fat consumption in a
diet is used by the body in its ability to metabolize testosterone,
among other things of course. If you reduce to a low level of fat in
you diet, the biggest thing you will notice the most is a lethargic
feeling and a lack sex drive. This is due to your test.numbers
falling to the floor... Now that sucks, doesn't it??

Also, Please do not think that fat intake = fat absorbed. This is a
classic fallacy that many people fall for. Carbohydrates have a
considerably more amount of energy in the respect of body glucose
uptake, and is always preferred by the body. Once again, people do
not get fat from Low GI carb sources, but rather from high insulin
responses from eating high GI carb sources.

Think about it this way, on a ketonic diet (ie. Atkins, inc), the
approach is to force the body to convert fat to energy as its primary
source. Weight will just shoot off people when doing this?. No, I did
no say it was healthy, though? :-)

Take a look if you are interested in several postings that I have up
on the big.folks and fat.acceptance groups. I think you might be
interested in some of the factual information about how the body
metabolizes foods.

Jim Carver

Bob in CT wrote in message ...
On 12 May 2004 18:52:58 GMT, Ignoramus20355
wrote:

In article , usual suspect wrote:
Ignoramus20355 wrote:
Face it, you're not fat 'cause you ate too many carrots or drank too
much orange
juice. You're fat because you don't get enough exercise and because
you consume
way too many calories.

That fat people are fat because they eat too many calories is obvious,
trivial, and uninteresting.

The more interesting question is, what makes them eat more calories.

Lack of discipline, lack of knowledge, moral weakness.


Moral weakness? This is ridiculous! Morality has nothing to do with
being overweight. And lack of knowledge typically doesn't either, as the
common conception is that low fat = good. I've come to believe that low
fat = terrible.

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Old May 19th, 2004, 04:43 PM
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In article ,
(oops_there_it_is) wrote:


I will never go on the Atkinks diet because your body just doesn't use
all that protein, and your guts will have a hard time getting rid of
it all if you do not eat A LOT of fiber. Guess where fiber comes
from? Carbs (wheat)? So if you want to plug up your system with a
bunch of undigested meat....


Fiber also comes from brocolli, spinach, berries, and nuts, all of which
you can eat on the Atkins diet, plus many more vegetables. I don't buy the
propaganda of meat plugging up you digestive system anyway. And I also
don't buy that Atkinsers or other low-carbers eat more meat than the
general population. Meat is a higher percentage of my diet now, but the
amount is lower because the amount of everything I eat is lower. I used to
eat veggie and meat stir-fry with pasta or rice, now I leave out the pasta
and rice and add more veggies, and the amount I used to eat at one sitting
is now 3 meals worth.


By the way, you are squeezing all the fat out of that meat right? Go
ahead, warm up that meat to about 150 deg, put it between some paper
towels and press down. I guarantee that if you do that to one of
those fast food burgers (you can order them just meat and bread, and
reheat it in the microwave) and actually see how much grease is in the
meat, you will never order anything but a small burger (not the
quarter pounders and above) again.


This I can empathize with. I don't eat fast food anyway, but anything too
greasy gives me a stomach ache. When I do burgers at home I start with
lean ground beef, and I still squeeze most of the grease out.



I say this also because some farm growers are worried about their
juice market because of this diet. With so many people on the go, it
pays to drink several juices (v8, grape, apple, orange, etc.) becuase
it may not be economical to buy fresh fruit that costs three times as
much as juice (come on now, what is the difference between a fruit in
a blender?)?


It takes several fruits to make one glass of juice, which means the juice
has a lot more sugar than a piece of fruit, even when no sugar is added.
Plus, the juice is missing the fiber from the fruit.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.
  #203  
Old May 22nd, 2004, 05:42 PM
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"Eva Whitley" wrote in message
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And again with the fake "obesity epidemic."

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/
"In the United States, obesity has risen at an epidemic rate during the past
20 years."
Is the CDC "faking" it also?

Laurie


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Old May 22nd, 2004, 06:36 PM
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"Eva Whitley" wrote in message
. ..

And again with the fake "obesity epidemic."

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/
"In the United States, obesity has risen at an epidemic rate during
the past 20 years."
Is the CDC "faking" it also?

Laurie

yes. just like the "Commie" scare of the 1950's they are playing off
the public fears...and fat people are being vilified. There is no
excuse for that.

LV


Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
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Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
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Old May 23rd, 2004, 02:41 AM
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Lady Veteran wrote in message . ..
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 12:42:18 -0400, "Laurie" wrote:


"Eva Whitley" wrote in message
. ..

And again with the fake "obesity epidemic."

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/
"In the United States, obesity has risen at an epidemic rate during
the past 20 years."
Is the CDC "faking" it also?

Laurie

yes. just like the "Commie" scare of the 1950's they are playing off
the public fears...and fat people are being vilified.


The thing that the public is afraid of is poor health and the loss
of vigor. Fat people are not being vilified, it is just that no one
wants to be like them.

There is no
excuse for that.


There are no excuses for the crime of fat acceptance.


LV


Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
- -------------------------------


Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
- -------------------------------


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Old May 23rd, 2004, 04:36 AM
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wrote in message
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The thing that the public is afraid of is poor health and the loss
of vigor. Fat people are not being vilified, it is just that no one
wants to be like them.


Fat people generally don't either.

-Rubystars


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Old May 23rd, 2004, 04:45 PM
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wrote in message
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The thing that the public is afraid of is poor health and the
loss of vigor. Fat people are not being vilified, it is just that
no one wants to be like them.


Fat people generally don't either.

-Rubystars

I am sure that is true in come cases, the problem is that most resent
being told what is good for them. Fat people seem to be exempt from
that basis part of human nature. It seems to be ok to ridiculed and
told what to do.

It is usually done under the guise of the pretense of care, which
couldn't be further from the truth.

That is why we have idiot posting diet drek in SSFA. It is off
charter but they don't give a damn. The troll who started this
cross-post is a case in point also. SSFA wants no part of it.

I think I am going to have to turn into a net cop to do an
idiotectomy.

They think they are mad at me for telling them they are posting off
topic now , I am by no means finished.

LV


Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
- -------------------------------



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