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Old October 20th, 2003, 08:15 PM
Abby Walker
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Default Dr Bernstein's Clinic (Canada) IS NOT Low Carb!

Just a heads up to our Canadian Low Carbers about a website article
regarding CJOH's Leigh Chapple's weight loss by LOW CARB. I believe
to call what she did as low carb is inaccurate and misleading.

If Ms Chapel did the DR. Stanley K Bernstein's diet, it does NOT
follow the common diet plans of low carb eating. This diet is only
500 calories a day. Unlike CJOH's website, I BOTHERED to calculate
the actual caloric/carb etc intake of this highly questionable diet
plan. I bothered to GET the literature and calculate the "Sample
Menus" from their Diet Manual.

This thing is nothing more than a VERY EXPENSIVE! ($100 - $125 per
week) VERY LOW CALORIE diet.

I think this low calorie diet is questionable and foolish and I'm not
the only one who thinks so. Have a look at what the competitor CBC TV
station, said about this diet on their program Market Place. THEY
also had independent people (a doctor and a registered dietician) do
the calculations of the diet, and came with calculations of 500
calories a day or UNDER! They had a few other doctors from Harvard
etc, also raising the issue of the danger of very low calorie diets,
as well. Read the articles from the CBC, and notice that this Dr
Bernstein character doesn't even know the actual caloric amount of the
diet that bares his name, and actually states it's almost double the
REAL caloric intake. (850 or 900 as opposed to 500 and under.)

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/index2.html
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...iet/index.html
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/report.html


Here's a sample of the menu DIRECTLY taken from the literature
(Diet MANUAL) the patients are given!


(These Numbers where verified by Corinne T. Netzer's Food Count Book,
and also food count software.)

(Sunday - Week One) Page 25 of the so called "Diet Manual".

(Breakfast)
Orange Cal/69 Carb/17.4 Protein/1.1
2 Triskets Cal/42 Carb/ 6.2 Protein/1.0

(Lunch)
3.5 oz Tuna Cal/70 Carb/0.0 Protein/15.0
8 oz Lettuce Cal/10 Carb/2.0 Protein/ 0.8
1 apple Cal/81 Carb/21.0 Protein/ 0.3

(Dinner)
3.5 oz Shrimp Cal/120 Carb/1.0 Protein/23.0
4 oz Tomato Cal/32 Carb/7.0 Protein/1.3
4 oz Lettuce Cal/5 Carb/1.0 Protein/0.4
1 Melba toast Cal/17 Carb/3.4 Protein/0.6


TOTALS Cal/447 Carb/59 Protein/43.5


There are other stupid choices such as a breakfast consisting of a cup
of Jello Light (at 7 calories) and 2 melba toasts(34 calories). (Week
1, Breakfast - Thursday), And this is supposed to be HEALTHY eating
and a good breakfast?

BOTTOM line,...it's under 500 calories a freakin' day!!!!!!! You'd
have to have the IQ of a bloody puddle to think this kind of diet is
actually healthy and that you're going to able to maintain a healthy
weight, and/or retain your weightloss after you inevitably get off of
it. The only one who would appear to win at this game is the owner of
these UNREGULATED "diet clinics" who one might also suggest, count on
the well documented, self perpetuating diet industry's revolving door.
Talk about the perfect cash cow, they keep getting paid each time you
have to go back to try to maintain or re-lose the weight your body
WILL inevitably regain after a 500 calorie a day, metabolically
detrimental starvation! There are countless articles online both
about the recidivism rate and failure rate of very low calorie diets.
I suggest a general perusal of the New England Journal of Medicine
articles would be a good place for some CJOH folks to start.

It's amazing how many people will NOT do any real research on these
scientifically out dated diets and/or just assume that because it's
got the word "Dr" in the company name, that it must be medically sound
and that some government organization somewhere is closely watching so
that people aren't getting shafted or their health threatened. It's
further astounding that there will be people who'll never bother to
cross check the actual common place diet plans that advocate "Low
CARB" and instead will just see some TV Host lost weight on TV, they
know the newest thing is Low Carb and that somebody somewhere
suggested that some diet clinic is low carb too. Simple math and an
hour of reading would be enough research to see that this diet does
not qualify. Sure, I suppose 60 grams of carbs is less than scarfing
down an extra large all dressed pizza, but to use wording "low carb"
that in itself suggests that this diet in anyway follows in the
footsteps of the Low Carb pioneers such as Atkins/Protein Power and
their recent affirmation from the New England Journal of Medicine, is
complete and total dishonesty. Shame on CJOH for not bothering to be
much more clear on their Website about the actual facts of this diet!
Double shame on any diet center who's using Low Carb in their dogma,
when in fact the only thing it really is, is a highly restrictive,
very low calorie diet.

It's my experience that this particular diet clinics patients have
been twisted into thinking it's LOW Carb, a la Atkins. As a side
note, it's very interesting that this Dr Stanley K Bernstein's Diet
Center name is so similar to another Stanley Bernstein (the reknowned
Dr Stanley R. Bernstein's, an author and actual advocate of actual
healthy and reasonable Low Carb eating - Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes
Solution). I've spoken to a few clients from one local Dr B diet
center, who swore it was "low carb" a la Atkins. Which, if they were
told this, is IMO a smoke and mirrors nonsense, if not right out lies.

This Dr Stanley K Bernstein's diet, is nothing more than a Very Low
Calorie diet by a diet centre who is not adequately regulated by the
Feds or the Province of Ontario. Neither Health Canada nor the Ontario
Ministry of Health regulates diet clinics. (Source, CBC) Plus, their
"substitute" foods are NOT labeled, bilingual, calorie or otherwise,
which the way I read it, is probably a contrivention of the The Food
and Drugs Act and the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-38/35565.html

Lastly since they're giving actual needle injections of vitamins and
are charging for it, I wonder if this constitutes "For Pay" health
care. (Ontario voters will know what I'm talking about here). They
have patients also bring in urine to check for ketones. I have to
wonder what is happening to their bodies if they're consuming 60 grams
of carbs and are still in ketosis!
  #3  
Old October 20th, 2003, 09:23 PM
Jenny
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Default Dr Bernstein's Clinic (Canada) IS NOT Low Carb!

Is it possible you are confusing Dr. Stanley K. Berstein with Dr. Richard
Bernstein, the very low carb author of "Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Soultion?"
Anyone following the latter's diet will most certainly be low carbing.

Details at: http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com

-- Jenny

Weight: 168.5/137
Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?


"Abby Walker" wrote in message
om...
Just a heads up to our Canadian Low Carbers about a website article
regarding CJOH's Leigh Chapple's weight loss by LOW CARB. I believe
to call what she did as low carb is inaccurate and misleading.

If Ms Chapel did the DR. Stanley K Bernstein's diet, it does NOT
follow the common diet plans of low carb eating. This diet is only
500 calories a day. Unlike CJOH's website, I BOTHERED to calculate
the actual caloric/carb etc intake of this highly questionable diet
plan. I bothered to GET the literature and calculate the "Sample
Menus" from their Diet Manual.

This thing is nothing more than a VERY EXPENSIVE! ($100 - $125 per
week) VERY LOW CALORIE diet.

I think this low calorie diet is questionable and foolish and I'm not
the only one who thinks so. Have a look at what the competitor CBC TV
station, said about this diet on their program Market Place. THEY
also had independent people (a doctor and a registered dietician) do
the calculations of the diet, and came with calculations of 500
calories a day or UNDER! They had a few other doctors from Harvard
etc, also raising the issue of the danger of very low calorie diets,
as well. Read the articles from the CBC, and notice that this Dr
Bernstein character doesn't even know the actual caloric amount of the
diet that bares his name, and actually states it's almost double the
REAL caloric intake. (850 or 900 as opposed to 500 and under.)

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/index2.html
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...iet/index.html
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/report.html


Here's a sample of the menu DIRECTLY taken from the literature
(Diet MANUAL) the patients are given!


(These Numbers where verified by Corinne T. Netzer's Food Count Book,
and also food count software.)

(Sunday - Week One) Page 25 of the so called "Diet Manual".

(Breakfast)
Orange Cal/69 Carb/17.4 Protein/1.1
2 Triskets Cal/42 Carb/ 6.2 Protein/1.0

(Lunch)
3.5 oz Tuna Cal/70 Carb/0.0 Protein/15.0
8 oz Lettuce Cal/10 Carb/2.0 Protein/ 0.8
1 apple Cal/81 Carb/21.0 Protein/ 0.3

(Dinner)
3.5 oz Shrimp Cal/120 Carb/1.0 Protein/23.0
4 oz Tomato Cal/32 Carb/7.0 Protein/1.3
4 oz Lettuce Cal/5 Carb/1.0 Protein/0.4
1 Melba toast Cal/17 Carb/3.4 Protein/0.6


TOTALS Cal/447 Carb/59 Protein/43.5


There are other stupid choices such as a breakfast consisting of a cup
of Jello Light (at 7 calories) and 2 melba toasts(34 calories). (Week
1, Breakfast - Thursday), And this is supposed to be HEALTHY eating
and a good breakfast?

BOTTOM line,...it's under 500 calories a freakin' day!!!!!!! You'd
have to have the IQ of a bloody puddle to think this kind of diet is
actually healthy and that you're going to able to maintain a healthy
weight, and/or retain your weightloss after you inevitably get off of
it. The only one who would appear to win at this game is the owner of
these UNREGULATED "diet clinics" who one might also suggest, count on
the well documented, self perpetuating diet industry's revolving door.
Talk about the perfect cash cow, they keep getting paid each time you
have to go back to try to maintain or re-lose the weight your body
WILL inevitably regain after a 500 calorie a day, metabolically
detrimental starvation! There are countless articles online both
about the recidivism rate and failure rate of very low calorie diets.
I suggest a general perusal of the New England Journal of Medicine
articles would be a good place for some CJOH folks to start.

It's amazing how many people will NOT do any real research on these
scientifically out dated diets and/or just assume that because it's
got the word "Dr" in the company name, that it must be medically sound
and that some government organization somewhere is closely watching so
that people aren't getting shafted or their health threatened. It's
further astounding that there will be people who'll never bother to
cross check the actual common place diet plans that advocate "Low
CARB" and instead will just see some TV Host lost weight on TV, they
know the newest thing is Low Carb and that somebody somewhere
suggested that some diet clinic is low carb too. Simple math and an
hour of reading would be enough research to see that this diet does
not qualify. Sure, I suppose 60 grams of carbs is less than scarfing
down an extra large all dressed pizza, but to use wording "low carb"
that in itself suggests that this diet in anyway follows in the
footsteps of the Low Carb pioneers such as Atkins/Protein Power and
their recent affirmation from the New England Journal of Medicine, is
complete and total dishonesty. Shame on CJOH for not bothering to be
much more clear on their Website about the actual facts of this diet!
Double shame on any diet center who's using Low Carb in their dogma,
when in fact the only thing it really is, is a highly restrictive,
very low calorie diet.

It's my experience that this particular diet clinics patients have
been twisted into thinking it's LOW Carb, a la Atkins. As a side
note, it's very interesting that this Dr Stanley K Bernstein's Diet
Center name is so similar to another Stanley Bernstein (the reknowned
Dr Stanley R. Bernstein's, an author and actual advocate of actual
healthy and reasonable Low Carb eating - Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes
Solution). I've spoken to a few clients from one local Dr B diet
center, who swore it was "low carb" a la Atkins. Which, if they were
told this, is IMO a smoke and mirrors nonsense, if not right out lies.

This Dr Stanley K Bernstein's diet, is nothing more than a Very Low
Calorie diet by a diet centre who is not adequately regulated by the
Feds or the Province of Ontario. Neither Health Canada nor the Ontario
Ministry of Health regulates diet clinics. (Source, CBC) Plus, their
"substitute" foods are NOT labeled, bilingual, calorie or otherwise,
which the way I read it, is probably a contrivention of the The Food
and Drugs Act and the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-38/35565.html

Lastly since they're giving actual needle injections of vitamins and
are charging for it, I wonder if this constitutes "For Pay" health
care. (Ontario voters will know what I'm talking about here). They
have patients also bring in urine to check for ketones. I have to
wonder what is happening to their bodies if they're consuming 60 grams
of carbs and are still in ketosis!



  #4  
Old October 20th, 2003, 09:39 PM
ConnieG999
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Default Dr Bernstein's Clinic (Canada) IS NOT Low Carb!

(Abby Walker) writes:

If Ms Chapel did the DR. Stanley K Bernstein's diet, it does NOT
follow the common diet plans of low carb eating.


The low-carb site belongs to Richard K. Bernstein, M.D., andcan be found at
http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Unfortunately many times people who do a search for Bernstein end up with the
one they don't want.

Connie
************************************************** ***
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.

  #5  
Old October 20th, 2003, 10:47 PM
rosie read and post
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Default Dr Bernstein's Clinic (Canada) IS NOT Low Carb!

wrong dr. bernstein!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

"Live as though there is no tomorrow,
Love as though you have never been hurt,
Dance as if no one is looking..."
........................................Satchel Paige



"Abby Walker" wrote in message
om...
Just a heads up to our Canadian Low Carbers about a website article
regarding CJOH's Leigh Chapple's weight loss by LOW CARB. I believe
to call what she did as low carb is inaccurate and misleading.

If Ms Chapel did the DR. Stanley K Bernstein's diet, it does NOT
follow the common diet plans of low carb eating. This diet is only
500 calories a day. Unlike CJOH's website, I BOTHERED to calculate
the actual caloric/carb etc intake of this highly questionable diet
plan. I bothered to GET the literature and calculate the "Sample
Menus" from their Diet Manual.

This thing is nothing more than a VERY EXPENSIVE! ($100 - $125 per
week) VERY LOW CALORIE diet.

I think this low calorie diet is questionable and foolish and I'm not
the only one who thinks so. Have a look at what the competitor CBC TV
station, said about this diet on their program Market Place. THEY
also had independent people (a doctor and a registered dietician) do
the calculations of the diet, and came with calculations of 500
calories a day or UNDER! They had a few other doctors from Harvard
etc, also raising the issue of the danger of very low calorie diets,
as well. Read the articles from the CBC, and notice that this Dr
Bernstein character doesn't even know the actual caloric amount of the
diet that bares his name, and actually states it's almost double the
REAL caloric intake. (850 or 900 as opposed to 500 and under.)


http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/index2.html

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...iet/index.html

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/report.html


Here's a sample of the menu DIRECTLY taken from the literature
(Diet MANUAL) the patients are given!


(These Numbers where verified by Corinne T. Netzer's Food Count Book,
and also food count software.)

(Sunday - Week One) Page 25 of the so called "Diet Manual".

(Breakfast)
Orange Cal/69 Carb/17.4 Protein/1.1
2 Triskets Cal/42 Carb/ 6.2 Protein/1.0

(Lunch)
3.5 oz Tuna Cal/70 Carb/0.0 Protein/15.0
8 oz Lettuce Cal/10 Carb/2.0 Protein/ 0.8
1 apple Cal/81 Carb/21.0 Protein/ 0.3

(Dinner)
3.5 oz Shrimp Cal/120 Carb/1.0 Protein/23.0
4 oz Tomato Cal/32 Carb/7.0 Protein/1.3
4 oz Lettuce Cal/5 Carb/1.0 Protein/0.4
1 Melba toast Cal/17 Carb/3.4 Protein/0.6


TOTALS Cal/447 Carb/59 Protein/43.5


There are other stupid choices such as a breakfast consisting of a cup
of Jello Light (at 7 calories) and 2 melba toasts(34 calories). (Week
1, Breakfast - Thursday), And this is supposed to be HEALTHY eating
and a good breakfast?

BOTTOM line,...it's under 500 calories a freakin' day!!!!!!! You'd
have to have the IQ of a bloody puddle to think this kind of diet is
actually healthy and that you're going to able to maintain a healthy
weight, and/or retain your weightloss after you inevitably get off of
it. The only one who would appear to win at this game is the owner of
these UNREGULATED "diet clinics" who one might also suggest, count on
the well documented, self perpetuating diet industry's revolving door.
Talk about the perfect cash cow, they keep getting paid each time you
have to go back to try to maintain or re-lose the weight your body
WILL inevitably regain after a 500 calorie a day, metabolically
detrimental starvation! There are countless articles online both
about the recidivism rate and failure rate of very low calorie diets.
I suggest a general perusal of the New England Journal of Medicine
articles would be a good place for some CJOH folks to start.

It's amazing how many people will NOT do any real research on these
scientifically out dated diets and/or just assume that because it's
got the word "Dr" in the company name, that it must be medically sound
and that some government organization somewhere is closely watching so
that people aren't getting shafted or their health threatened. It's
further astounding that there will be people who'll never bother to
cross check the actual common place diet plans that advocate "Low
CARB" and instead will just see some TV Host lost weight on TV, they
know the newest thing is Low Carb and that somebody somewhere
suggested that some diet clinic is low carb too. Simple math and an
hour of reading would be enough research to see that this diet does
not qualify. Sure, I suppose 60 grams of carbs is less than scarfing
down an extra large all dressed pizza, but to use wording "low carb"
that in itself suggests that this diet in anyway follows in the
footsteps of the Low Carb pioneers such as Atkins/Protein Power and
their recent affirmation from the New England Journal of Medicine, is
complete and total dishonesty. Shame on CJOH for not bothering to be
much more clear on their Website about the actual facts of this diet!
Double shame on any diet center who's using Low Carb in their dogma,
when in fact the only thing it really is, is a highly restrictive,
very low calorie diet.

It's my experience that this particular diet clinics patients have
been twisted into thinking it's LOW Carb, a la Atkins. As a side
note, it's very interesting that this Dr Stanley K Bernstein's Diet
Center name is so similar to another Stanley Bernstein (the reknowned
Dr Stanley R. Bernstein's, an author and actual advocate of actual
healthy and reasonable Low Carb eating - Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes
Solution). I've spoken to a few clients from one local Dr B diet
center, who swore it was "low carb" a la Atkins. Which, if they were
told this, is IMO a smoke and mirrors nonsense, if not right out lies.

This Dr Stanley K Bernstein's diet, is nothing more than a Very Low
Calorie diet by a diet centre who is not adequately regulated by the
Feds or the Province of Ontario. Neither Health Canada nor the Ontario
Ministry of Health regulates diet clinics. (Source, CBC) Plus, their
"substitute" foods are NOT labeled, bilingual, calorie or otherwise,
which the way I read it, is probably a contrivention of the The Food
and Drugs Act and the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-38/35565.html

Lastly since they're giving actual needle injections of vitamins and
are charging for it, I wonder if this constitutes "For Pay" health
care. (Ontario voters will know what I'm talking about here). They
have patients also bring in urine to check for ketones. I have to
wonder what is happening to their bodies if they're consuming 60 grams
of carbs and are still in ketosis!



  #6  
Old October 21st, 2003, 02:03 PM
Abby Walker
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Default Dr Bernstein's Clinic (Canada) IS NOT Low Carb!

"Jenny" wrote in message ...
Is it possible you are confusing Dr. Stanley K. Berstein with Dr. Richard
Bernstein, the very low carb author of "Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Soultion?"
Anyone following the latter's diet will most certainly be low carbing.

Details at: http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com


Hi Jenny,

I'm not confusing the two Dr Bernstein's, unfortunately though, I
suspect there have been people who have, thus why I'm breaking my
silence about this stupid company. I posted partially to give
something to the pot, so that when people do a search, that something
comes up about this 500 calorie a day idiocy. One is R.K Bernstein,
the author/diabetes solution, the other goes by S.K. Bernstein.
(that's what's on his so called recipe book and diet manual) I think
it's more than slight coincidence that there is such a close name
similarity and that these clinics do little to dispell the notion that
they're not associated with the REAL low carb way of eating and food
selection. I realize it's a local (Ontario/British Columbia/Canada)
center and issue, but I wanted to make sure that people had some
reference between the two.

The more I've reasearched, the more I see this so called Diet Clinic
as very very suspicious, and that local doctors are starting to speak
out against it. Frankly, my anger over the results of my research
finally hit an all time high when I heard yet another so called
"local" minor celebrity promote this starvation diet as "low carb".
This company is getting clients under false free promotion, and
frankly I believe all it's doing is preying on people's desparation,
and confusion.

Hell, I even heard a radio advert last week saying that 75% of his
clients don't gain back their weight. Imagine that. I say call
Nobel! Imagine that telling people to starve on 500 calories a day
(which countless other clinics in the past in North America have also
tried to promote this and failed with recivism rates of well over
95%!), but somehow through the grace of the science fairies, this
place has managed to decrease the regain rate to 25%!? Thats a
freaking science miracle! *sarcasm* Incidently, I haven't heard the
radio spot since, I suspect somebody complained about the false
claims.

I think it's fair to say that there's been enough actual medical
research to indicate that actually trying to live on a 500 calorie a
day diet, is absolutely dangerous. You're screwing up your
metabolism, and after you get off it, you're going to have to work
even harder to repair it and get your metabolismism off of starvation
mode.

AW
  #7  
Old October 21st, 2003, 02:24 PM
jimmy
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Default Dr Bernstein's Clinic (Canada) IS NOT Low Carb!

I've said it here many times before and will do so again.


Give me $400.00/month and I personally will make DAMN sure you lose weight!!
What a waste of goddam money and proof that people just do not have enough
will power or that they just do not want it enough.


Simple formula.

Eat Healthier + exercise = Weight loss + more muscle + feel better.

People will see BS and it is not that easy,etc...... Well it is. You just
have to want it bad enough. Plain and simple.


My wife and i both started this in May. Neither one of us was a porker by
any means, although both of us wanted to get back to our fighting weight.
Since then, we have both lost around 30lbs, packed on allot of mean muscle
mass and I personally haven't felt this good in a long time. Sure it means
having to make sacrifices, but in the end it is all worth it. The only
****ty thing about it is that our grocery bills have gone up allot!!! There
is just the two of us, however we average around $200.00/week on food. I
guess the flip side is that we don't eat out nearly as much any more.

And society wonders why we just keep getting fatter... Well Damn, if the
healthier foods was cheaper than the ****ty fatty stuff , I bet that it
would make a big difference.


Just MO





"Abby Walker" wrote in message
om...
Just a heads up to our Canadian Low Carbers about a website article
regarding CJOH's Leigh Chapple's weight loss by LOW CARB. I believe
to call what she did as low carb is inaccurate and misleading.

If Ms Chapel did the DR. Stanley K Bernstein's diet, it does NOT
follow the common diet plans of low carb eating. This diet is only
500 calories a day. Unlike CJOH's website, I BOTHERED to calculate
the actual caloric/carb etc intake of this highly questionable diet
plan. I bothered to GET the literature and calculate the "Sample
Menus" from their Diet Manual.

This thing is nothing more than a VERY EXPENSIVE! ($100 - $125 per
week) VERY LOW CALORIE diet.

I think this low calorie diet is questionable and foolish and I'm not
the only one who thinks so. Have a look at what the competitor CBC TV
station, said about this diet on their program Market Place. THEY
also had independent people (a doctor and a registered dietician) do
the calculations of the diet, and came with calculations of 500
calories a day or UNDER! They had a few other doctors from Harvard
etc, also raising the issue of the danger of very low calorie diets,
as well. Read the articles from the CBC, and notice that this Dr
Bernstein character doesn't even know the actual caloric amount of the
diet that bares his name, and actually states it's almost double the
REAL caloric intake. (850 or 900 as opposed to 500 and under.)

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/index2.html
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...iet/index.html
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...et/report.html


Here's a sample of the menu DIRECTLY taken from the literature
(Diet MANUAL) the patients are given!


(These Numbers where verified by Corinne T. Netzer's Food Count Book,
and also food count software.)

(Sunday - Week One) Page 25 of the so called "Diet Manual".

(Breakfast)
Orange Cal/69 Carb/17.4 Protein/1.1
2 Triskets Cal/42 Carb/ 6.2 Protein/1.0

(Lunch)
3.5 oz Tuna Cal/70 Carb/0.0 Protein/15.0
8 oz Lettuce Cal/10 Carb/2.0 Protein/ 0.8
1 apple Cal/81 Carb/21.0 Protein/ 0.3

(Dinner)
3.5 oz Shrimp Cal/120 Carb/1.0 Protein/23.0
4 oz Tomato Cal/32 Carb/7.0 Protein/1.3
4 oz Lettuce Cal/5 Carb/1.0 Protein/0.4
1 Melba toast Cal/17 Carb/3.4 Protein/0.6


TOTALS Cal/447 Carb/59 Protein/43.5


There are other stupid choices such as a breakfast consisting of a cup
of Jello Light (at 7 calories) and 2 melba toasts(34 calories). (Week
1, Breakfast - Thursday), And this is supposed to be HEALTHY eating
and a good breakfast?

BOTTOM line,...it's under 500 calories a freakin' day!!!!!!! You'd
have to have the IQ of a bloody puddle to think this kind of diet is
actually healthy and that you're going to able to maintain a healthy
weight, and/or retain your weightloss after you inevitably get off of
it. The only one who would appear to win at this game is the owner of
these UNREGULATED "diet clinics" who one might also suggest, count on
the well documented, self perpetuating diet industry's revolving door.
Talk about the perfect cash cow, they keep getting paid each time you
have to go back to try to maintain or re-lose the weight your body
WILL inevitably regain after a 500 calorie a day, metabolically
detrimental starvation! There are countless articles online both
about the recidivism rate and failure rate of very low calorie diets.
I suggest a general perusal of the New England Journal of Medicine
articles would be a good place for some CJOH folks to start.

It's amazing how many people will NOT do any real research on these
scientifically out dated diets and/or just assume that because it's
got the word "Dr" in the company name, that it must be medically sound
and that some government organization somewhere is closely watching so
that people aren't getting shafted or their health threatened. It's
further astounding that there will be people who'll never bother to
cross check the actual common place diet plans that advocate "Low
CARB" and instead will just see some TV Host lost weight on TV, they
know the newest thing is Low Carb and that somebody somewhere
suggested that some diet clinic is low carb too. Simple math and an
hour of reading would be enough research to see that this diet does
not qualify. Sure, I suppose 60 grams of carbs is less than scarfing
down an extra large all dressed pizza, but to use wording "low carb"
that in itself suggests that this diet in anyway follows in the
footsteps of the Low Carb pioneers such as Atkins/Protein Power and
their recent affirmation from the New England Journal of Medicine, is
complete and total dishonesty. Shame on CJOH for not bothering to be
much more clear on their Website about the actual facts of this diet!
Double shame on any diet center who's using Low Carb in their dogma,
when in fact the only thing it really is, is a highly restrictive,
very low calorie diet.

It's my experience that this particular diet clinics patients have
been twisted into thinking it's LOW Carb, a la Atkins. As a side
note, it's very interesting that this Dr Stanley K Bernstein's Diet
Center name is so similar to another Stanley Bernstein (the reknowned
Dr Stanley R. Bernstein's, an author and actual advocate of actual
healthy and reasonable Low Carb eating - Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes
Solution). I've spoken to a few clients from one local Dr B diet
center, who swore it was "low carb" a la Atkins. Which, if they were
told this, is IMO a smoke and mirrors nonsense, if not right out lies.

This Dr Stanley K Bernstein's diet, is nothing more than a Very Low
Calorie diet by a diet centre who is not adequately regulated by the
Feds or the Province of Ontario. Neither Health Canada nor the Ontario
Ministry of Health regulates diet clinics. (Source, CBC) Plus, their
"substitute" foods are NOT labeled, bilingual, calorie or otherwise,
which the way I read it, is probably a contrivention of the The Food
and Drugs Act and the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-38/35565.html

Lastly since they're giving actual needle injections of vitamins and
are charging for it, I wonder if this constitutes "For Pay" health
care. (Ontario voters will know what I'm talking about here). They
have patients also bring in urine to check for ketones. I have to
wonder what is happening to their bodies if they're consuming 60 grams
of carbs and are still in ketosis!



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Old October 21st, 2003, 02:26 PM
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Default Dr Bernstein's Clinic (Canada) IS NOT Low Carb!

(Elisse R. Y. Meshake) wrote in message ...
i've learned a few things about dr. bernstein's diet in the past
couple of months that i find a little hinkey, yet if this diet has worked
so well for leigh cathedral, er.. i mean chappel.. i gotta hand it to her
because there is no way i could have ever followed it.. i got a menu plan
from a friend of mine and just about blew a nut when i saw the
**** you gotta eat.. anyways, back to my point.. i go to a large family
doctor clinic in the south end and i was told by my doctor that the clinic
refuses to treat ANY one who is on the bernstein diet. apparently they
have seen so many people with complications and regained weight that they just
don't want to be a part of it. the most serious complications i heard of
was heart failure and gallstones. yikes...



Well, yeah, it's great the people are motivated enough to follow it,
but the problem isn't doing it (as my husband's doc said, losing
weight is the easy part, keeping it off, an entirely different
matter!) It's trying to keep it off, once you stop going to this
stupid place and you are no longer getting the vitamin shots. (Which
I have been told is pure B12)...so ok, if that's the case, between 2
and 4 weeks once it's all out of your body, you're going to start to
feel really tired again...and that alone is one of the ways to keep
these clients coming in for maintainance through the revolving door.

The other problem is again the health risks you stated. And yep, if
it's in the south end, you very well might be in the same doc clinic
that I belong to, and my doc just about blew a gasket when I showed
her my research. Refusal to treat anyone who's on this foolish diet
is beginning to become more common. I can only hope that some of
these good docs will come out publically and condemn this foolishness.

I'm also aware that they have their own set of docs and that your
file/blood work numbers doesn't go to your OWN doctor. Another
revolving door tactic, IMO. Interesting that one of the persons I
know of, their official doc appointment was 6 weeks after the diet
started and just so happened to be 2 weeks before they'd be due for
yet another payment installment for a further 8 weeks. How convenient.

Also know of one patient who told the 'clinic' she was going to
celebrate with a big booze binge after 8 weeks on the plan. Very
nice, but at 500 calories a day, the alcohol sugar spike would be SO
big that, one can only imagine how taxing that was on the body,
kidneys etc. I knew a kid back in the 80's who was also on one of
these moronic type diets, drank a bottle of wine with a friend to
celebrate going off of the diet at her target weight. She was rushed
to the emergency room. Her kidneys couldn't handle it.

AW
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Old September 5th, 2005, 06:13 AM
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I don’t know what put such a heavy chip on Abby Walker’s shoulder regarding the Bernstein diet (Stanley K’s that is), but she’s got an insufferably superior attitude and a bucketful of misinformation. She may have “researched” the diet, but I’ve been on it and she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. The one main thing she totally skips in her dissection of the diet is the fact that it is MEDICALLY SUPERVISED. I went in to the clinic 3 times a week (at first) and was given injections and vitamins to help compensate for the drop in calories I’d take in each day. Yes, it is a lo-calorie diet and you do cut down on carbs, but it is mainly a lifestyle changing and disciplined approach to weight loss. With nurses monitoring your food intake and general health several times a week, if you ever felt lousy or weak or under the weather they could respond and adjust what you’re eating right on the spot. Personally, I never had that problem. I read the CJOH story and found it totally plausible -- in fact it wasn’t dissimilar from my situation. And I also checked into the CBC link and, while it did have some negative things to say about the required discipline, it also acknowledged that the diet worked. It’s up to the individual how devoted they’re going to be to the process of losing weight and keeping it off. If you really want to lose weight, the Bernstein diet works -- it did for me! As for cost, compared to how long it takes to lose an equal amount of weight on one of the commercial programs (and buy the special foods/frozen dinners that they insist on), the Bernstein diet is a bargain!
 




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