A Weightloss and diet forum. WeightLossBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » WeightLossBanter forum » alt.support.diet newsgroups » Low Carbohydrate Diets
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old January 7th, 2004, 09:18 PM
Roger Zoul
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

This seems interesting....

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080
2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590


  #2  
Old January 7th, 2004, 09:28 PM
Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
This seems interesting....


http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080
2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590


http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article.





  #3  
Old January 7th, 2004, 09:36 PM
Roger Zoul
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: This seems interesting....
:::
:::
::
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080
::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590
:::
::
:: http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article.

when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within your
browser...no need to cut and paste....

I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today....

tinyurl's expire...


  #4  
Old January 7th, 2004, 09:46 PM
Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: This seems interesting....
:::
:::
::

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080
::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590
:::
::
:: http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article.

when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within your
browser...no need to cut and paste....

I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today....

tinyurl's expire...


It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6.





  #5  
Old January 7th, 2004, 09:48 PM
Roger Zoul
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³ wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
::::: ...
:::::: This seems interesting....
::::::
::::::
:::::
:::
::
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080
:::::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590
::::::
:::::
::::: http://tinyurl.com/yr8cw for article.
:::
::: when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within
::: your browser...no need to cut and paste....
:::
::: I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today....
:::
::: tinyurl's expire...
::
:: It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6.

Me too....and it works here!?!


  #6  
Old January 7th, 2004, 10:11 PM
Chakolate
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

"Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³" wrote in
:


"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...

(quoting someone whose citation I've lost).

when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within
your browser...no need to cut and paste....

I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just today....

tinyurl's expire...


It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6.


I don't think it works for URL's that wrap. You get the same problem.

It's my understanding that tinyurl does not retire any of its URLs. Has
that changed?

Chakolate


--
You might as well fall flat on your face as lean over too far backward.
--James Thurber
  #7  
Old January 7th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Roger Zoul
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

Chakolate wrote:
:: "Dean S. Lautermilch©²ºº³" wrote in
:: :
::
:::
::: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
::: ...
:: (quoting someone whose citation I've lost).
::::
:::: when you place a link inside the you can just click on it within
:::: your browser...no need to cut and paste....
::::
:::: I got that tidbit from someone here in this newsgroup just
:::: today....
::::
:::: tinyurl's expire...
:::
::: It did not work for me. I'm using IE 6.
::
:: I don't think it works for URL's that wrap. You get the same
:: problem.

that's what its for (supposedly). Did you try it?

::
:: It's my understanding that tinyurl does not retire any of its URLs.
:: Has that changed?

It's my understanding that they do. Is that not true?


  #8  
Old January 7th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Jenny
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

Roger,

Interesting sounding, but the description of the study made it unclear to me
what was really happening.

How did they add the extra protein? Were they eating packaged foods supplied
by the study as happens in some nutritional studies? Were they eating
whatever they wanted?

The original diet is described only as "extremely low calorie" with no
indication of the nutritional breakdown and whether it lead to
cannibalisation of the dieter's own body protein. The diet was also very
short, only a couple weeks.

Generalizing from this study to what happens when low carbers go off their
diet, might be a mistake.
The effect of eating a lot of carbohydrate after a long period of carb
restriction might result in a much bigger weight gain no matter how much
protein intake accompanies it. We could only know if a study was done with
long term (not 3 week) low carb dieters.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and more at
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm



"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
This seems interesting....


http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080
2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590




  #9  
Old January 7th, 2004, 10:57 PM
Chakolate
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

"Jenny" wrote in
:

Interesting sounding, but the description of the study made it unclear
to me what was really happening.

How did they add the extra protein? Were they eating packaged foods
supplied by the study as happens in some nutritional studies? Were
they eating whatever they wanted?


If you follow the link at the bottom of the page labelled full text, you
get answers to most of your questions:

(quote)
To one of the groups, 48.2 g additional protein/day was provided as one
sachet of a meal replacer (Modifast)/day (17 g protein; 0.7 MJ/day) plus
two sachets of protein (31.2 g; protein source Ca-caseinate; 0.5 MJ/day),
to be dissolved in water resulting in two vanilla-drinks. This amounted
together to 1.2 MJ/day. Subjects were required to consume the meal replacer
and one protein drink as part of their ad libitum lunch, and one protein
drink in the afternoon. This way we aimed at an EI of 18-20 percentage
energy from protein/day. Although the treatment with respect to number of
visits, measurements, and attention was identical in both groups of
subjects, there was no placebo used for the additional protein, similar to
previous meal-replacement studies.28 We included the measurements of
dietary restraint to check whether additional protein to the diet would
affect attitude toward eating.
(end of quote)


chakolate

--
You might as well fall flat on your face as lean over too far backward.
--James Thurber
  #10  
Old January 7th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Roger Zoul
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Study:High protein intake sustains weight maintenance after body weight loss in humans

Jenny wrote:
:: Roger,
::
:: Interesting sounding, but the description of the study made it
:: unclear to me what was really happening.

Interesting, period.

::
:: How did they add the extra protein? Were they eating packaged foods
:: supplied by the study as happens in some nutritional studies? Were
:: they eating whatever they wanted?

That's because you only read the abstract. You need to click on the link
for the PDF to get the full paper.

::
:: The original diet is described only as "extremely low calorie" with
:: no indication of the nutritional breakdown and whether it lead to
:: cannibalisation of the dieter's own body protein. The diet was also
:: very short, only a couple weeks.

Read the paper.....the diet was Modifast and fruits and Veggies....the aim
was a loss of 4kg over 4 weeks (more than a couple).

::
:: Generalizing from this study to what happens when low carbers go off
:: their diet, might be a mistake.

No one has generalized....it is an interesting study since it seems to
indicate that increased protein intake after dieting impacts satiety and
weight retain...that ought to be interesting anyone wanting to lose weight
and maintain that weight loss, whether there is a take-home message of
practical value has not been addressed, afaik.

:: The effect of eating a lot of carbohydrate after a long period of
:: carb restriction might result in a much bigger weight gain no matter
:: how much protein intake accompanies it. We could only know if a
:: study was done with long term (not 3 week) low carb dieters.

Eating a lot of carbs will cause quick water weight gain....and if LC
dieters return to eating lots of carbs over the long term, and as a result
return to eating excessive amounts of calories, they will regain weight.
Eating lots of carbs is the obvious path to failure for most people who are
able lose well on LC. In my mind, there are no questions about that. And we
knew that before the results of this study became known.

Also, what is done in this study is not something that can be really hoisted
off onto the general LCing public, from what I can tell. They can't be
depended on to have a clue as to how to properly implement this kind of
thing. What should be paid attention to is what the general results are
relative to this one macro-nutritient. Interesting.

::
:: -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2
:: diabetes, hba1c 5.2.
:: Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!
::
:: Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes and
:: more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/
::
:: Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
:: Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm
::
::
::
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: This seems interesting....
:::
:::
::
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...v28/n1/abs/080
::: 2461a.html&dynoptions=doi1073506590


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Low carb diets General Discussion 249 January 9th, 2004 12:15 AM
How Long Can You Stay on Induction - from Atkins website Sarah Fox Jahn Low Carbohydrate Diets 25 December 29th, 2003 11:36 PM
Weight Loss Support Groups Paul General Discussion 0 November 20th, 2003 05:43 PM
High saturated fat, starch avoidance weight loss diet offers good preliminary results Diarmid Logan Low Carbohydrate Diets 2 November 12th, 2003 03:24 PM
Eating less does not result in weight loss NR General Discussion 255 October 13th, 2003 11:09 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2017 WeightLossBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.