The Lancet - we need 150g carbs/day

As I understand it the body converts protein(up to 58%), fat(up to
10%), and carbs into glucose. Since people eat all three types of
these energy sources it stands to reason that 150 grams of carbs a day
is excessive. Sounds like this article is missleading people. Seems
the 150 figure is the minimum IF the individual consumes no fat or
protein.

Gregory Toomey wrote in message ...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm

"The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and
headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and
whole grains, Astrup said."

TOTAL NONSENSE. There are numerous low carb vegetables.

"We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate
necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is
approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go
down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100
grams, still you are far below what your body needs."

Comments?

gtomey

"marengo" wrote in message ...

The Inuit Indians of Alaska have lived for
generations with no carbohdrates at all, just fish and whale blubber

Not true. Inuit eat sea vegetables year round, and berries in season.
Also, most of the Inuit don't live in Alaska--they live in northern
Canada and Greenland.

The most populous linguistic/cultural group among Native Alaskans are
the Yupik; other groups represented in Alaska include the Inupiaq, the
Aleuts, the Alutiiq, the Athabaskan, the Tlingit, and the G'wichan
(all of these spellings may be wrong, but I am too lazy to look this
up right now).

T.

TdN wrote:
| "marengo" wrote in message
| ...
|||
|| The Inuit Indians of Alaska have lived for
|| generations with no carbohdrates at all, just fish and whale blubber
|
| Not true. Inuit eat sea vegetables year round, and berries in season.
| Also, most of the Inuit don't live in Alaska--they live in northern
| Canada and Greenland.
|
| The most populous linguistic/cultural group among Native Alaskans are
| the Yupik; other groups represented in Alaska include the Inupiaq, the
| Aleuts, the Alutiiq, the Athabaskan, the Tlingit, and the G'wichan
| (all of these spellings may be wrong, but I am too lazy to look this
| up right now).
|
| T.


Actually, the Inuit (formerly known as Eskimos, now not a PC term)
originated in northeatern Siberia. They migrated untold centuries ago to
what is present-day Alaska. From there they gradually migrated east to
Greenland and Northern Canada. Present-day Inuit inhabit all of these
arctic circle lands. The Inuit in Alaska are considered to be native
Americans.

Kelp and berries are not significant sources of carbohydrates.

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/arctic/inuit/people.htm
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

TdN wrote:
| "marengo" wrote in message
| ...
|||
|| The Inuit Indians of Alaska have lived for
|| generations with no carbohdrates at all, just fish and whale blubber
|
| Not true. Inuit eat sea vegetables year round, and berries in season.
| Also, most of the Inuit don't live in Alaska--they live in northern
| Canada and Greenland.
|
| The most populous linguistic/cultural group among Native Alaskans are
| the Yupik; other groups represented in Alaska include the Inupiaq, the
| Aleuts, the Alutiiq, the Athabaskan, the Tlingit, and the G'wichan
| (all of these spellings may be wrong, but I am too lazy to look this
| up right now).
|
| T.


Actually, the Inuit (formerly known as Eskimos, now not a PC term)
originated in northeatern Siberia. They migrated untold centuries ago to
what is present-day Alaska. From there they gradually migrated east to
Greenland and Northern Canada. Present-day Inuit inhabit all of these
arctic circle lands. The Inuit in Alaska are considered to be native
Americans.

Kelp and berries are not significant sources of carbohydrates.

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/arctic/inuit/people.htm
--
Peter
270/215/180
Before/Current Pix:
http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html

Hannah Gruen wrote:
:: "Bob in CT" wrote
::
::: People are different, but there has never been a study anywhere
::: where the people could not sustain the "normal function of [a]
::: body" under 150 grams of carbs per day.
::
:: They just define the state of ketosis as not being part of "normal
:: function" I guess, based on the little shippet that was posted. What
:: else is new? The question is whether or not being in ketosis is a
:: suboptimal way for the body to function.

But how does one come to a meaning of optimal when the variation on among
people and their diets can vary so greatly?

In fact, I think the strength of the human body is that it CAN function and
thrive over a range of conditions and diet. Given that, there may be a
multitude of optimum states in which a human can thrive.

There's always been a lot
:: of disagreement on this, and no real long-term studies on large
:: western population groups. I think most of us here are OK with it,
:: if done in a healthy way.
::
:: HG

Gregory Toomey wrote in message ...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm

"The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and
headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and
whole grains, Astrup said."

TOTAL NONSENSE. There are numerous low carb vegetables.

"We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate
necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is
approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go
down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100
grams, still you are far below what your body needs."

Comments?



I'M DYING!!!! GGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

must move towards the white light...

Regards,

Coff

Gregory Toomey wrote in message ...
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm

"The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and
headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and
whole grains, Astrup said."

TOTAL NONSENSE. There are numerous low carb vegetables.

"We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate
necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is
approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go
down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100
grams, still you are far below what your body needs."

Comments?



I'M DYING!!!! GGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

must move towards the white light...

Regards,

Coff

Gregory Toomey wrote:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm

"The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and
headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and
whole grains, Astrup said."

TOTAL NONSENSE. There are numerous low carb vegetables.

"We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate
necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is
approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go
down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100
grams, still you are far below what your body needs."

Actually, 150 carbs per day would BE a low(er) carb diet for the average
American who is apparently consuming an average of 300 carbs per day.

Dan
325/199/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Gregory Toomey wrote:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm

"The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and
headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and
whole grains, Astrup said."

TOTAL NONSENSE. There are numerous low carb vegetables.

"We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate
necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is
approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go
down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100
grams, still you are far below what your body needs."

Actually, 150 carbs per day would BE a low(er) carb diet for the average
American who is apparently consuming an average of 300 carbs per day.

Dan
325/199/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Gregory Toomey wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ld/9566646.htm

"The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and
headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and
whole grains, Astrup said."

TOTAL NONSENSE. There are numerous low carb vegetables.

"We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate
necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is
approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go
down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100
grams, still you are far below what your body needs."

Comments?

gtomey


Twenty years ago, one could have written "We have known for many years
that stomache ulcers are caused by too much stress inducing too much
stomach acid which eats away to cause the ulcer... and buttermilk and
toast are the proper diets to treat the ulcer.

NOw, it is knonwn that many ulcers are caused by bacteria and the
treatment is anitbiotics.... with buttermilk and toast pretty much
forgotten.

The phrasing "We have known for many years....." is almost a setup for
"We have been telling each other for many years....." and telling isn't
the same as really knowing.

Then too, since Atkins was a backstabber to the cardiology profession
when they were first pushing the low fat thing, anything you do to
discredit a backstabber is fair.

Jim