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Old May 2nd, 2005, 05:36 PM
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"Ignoramus760" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 08:37:18 -0700, Stacey Bender wrote:
Ignoramus760 wrote:
On Mon, 02 May 2005 07:55:54 -0700, Stacey Bender

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Ignoramus760 wrote:

I am not a pessimist or optimist, I am a realist. Pessimism and
optimism are both unhelpful.

With all the benefits why is it realistic to be concerned about
future weight gain?

The statistics are, unfortunately, not encouraging.


Given all the short term benefits that doesn't seem consistent, does it?


Well, perhaps those who stay fat or regain weight, either have a
different system of values than mine (and do not value those
benefits), or, perhaps, they are not acting rationally, or, perhaps,
being hungry changes their value system.

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Ig, I gotta say, I admire your grit.
You continue after I have given up ;-)

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Old May 2nd, 2005, 07:19 PM
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W. Baker wrote:
: 25% or so won't get fat simply because that's their biology. I

would
: like to be one of them :-)


For years, I thought I was that way as well. Then I started gaining
weight. Now that I've been doing Atkins awhile, I understand why.
Many of the meals I like to make for myself are LC. In fact, I would
say I was naturally on induction 4 out of 7 days a week. To me, eating
as much as I wanted meant I would have a whole Wok of steamed
vegitables with alittle bit of meat. Certainly, there where times when
I would eat a whole pizza to myself, but that was undoubtably balanced
out by the rest of my food intake durring the month.

What changed? I got married and have a kid. My wife cooks many tastey
receipes that are not low carb, and I tried to have a "more balanced
diet". Hense the weight gain.

Now that I'm eating the foods I love and know how to prepare, I
dropping back down again.

Bill

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Old May 2nd, 2005, 07:55 PM
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DocBill wrote:

W. Baker wrote:
: 25% or so won't get fat simply because that's their biology. I

would
: like to be one of them :-)


For years, I thought I was that way as well. Then I started gaining
weight. Now that I've been doing Atkins awhile, I understand why.
Many of the meals I like to make for myself are LC. In fact, I would
say I was naturally on induction 4 out of 7 days a week. To me, eating
as much as I wanted meant I would have a whole Wok of steamed
vegitables with alittle bit of meat. Certainly, there where times when
I would eat a whole pizza to myself, but that was undoubtably balanced
out by the rest of my food intake durring the month.

What changed? I got married and have a kid. My wife cooks many tastey
receipes that are not low carb, and I tried to have a "more balanced
diet". Hense the weight gain.

Now that I'm eating the foods I love and know how to prepare, I
dropping back down again.


Carbohydrate intake does lead to a healthier appetite (greater hunger).

Ime, fear of hunger is what leads to weight gain.

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Andrew

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Old May 3rd, 2005, 10:07 PM
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On Mon, 2 May 2005 07:58:36 -0700, "GaryG"
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"Ignoramus760" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 07:05:29 -0700, Stacey Bender wrote:
Ignoramus760 wrote:
I re-thought this during the weekend and I now think that I was
wrong. Being slim has present benefits also, not just future benefits.

Then what are they?


As a presently slim person, I can mention a few (in no particular
order) that apply to me:

1. Looking better.
2. Feeling more energetic
3. Being able to tie shoelaces very easily
4. Not having acid reflux
5. Being more comfortable sitting in various cramped situations
6. Being more fit physically (and this able to to more stuff)
7. Sex is much better
8. Better and more stable mood

After having lost weight, I am feeling much happier, every day of
being slim still feels like a celebration.


I'll add a couple of my own.

1) Feeling "light on my feet".
If you're tuned into how your body moves through space, the feeling of being
light can be similar to the difference between driving a large pickup truck,
and driving a 2-seater sports car. They both move, but one is more agile,
more responsive, and faster.

2) Feeling "light on my bike" (especially yesterday, when I rode 80 miles,
with over 8,500 feet of climbing).

3) Feeling stronger
At 52, I'm not afraid to try new physical things. I'll be riding my bike
for a week in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado in June, and my son and I are
going to do some mountain climbing and backpacking in August. Doing those
things would be much more difficult if I was fat.


I haven't been too overweight (the most overweight I've ever been is
20 lbs - not obese) so I can't truly say I'm speaking from personal
experience but... from what I've read and heard, it seems like you
guys are maybe missing the biggest benefit...

Studies and experiments seem to prove, over and over again, that
overweight people are strongly discriminated against... be it the
child in the classroom, the large lady in the clothing store, or the
hefty guy at the office.

Slim people, in general, seem to enjoy a favortism that leads to
better education, better jobs and career potential, better service in
resteraunts and stores, and just general, all-around better treatment
during most if not all social interractions.

I'm not saying that such discrimination is right (obviously), but it
is the way society is, and I think escaping that 'dark cloud' would be
a huge benefit to many obese people.

I guess maybe this was covered in points #1 (looking better) and #7
(sex is better) above?


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Old May 6th, 2005, 09:27 AM
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"Stacey Bender" wrote in message
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Ignoramus760 wrote:
After some thinking, I think that you are right, and I am wrong, on
two counts. One is what you mentioned, that at least some fat persons
do not know what to do.


Ok, give it 1% of fat people don't know what to eat. It's noise.


Yes, these days even young children know what's fattening and what's not.
Everybody knows they should eat less fat & carbs, more protein & veg, only
this knowledge doesn't make it any easier to stay away from the donuts and
chocolate bars.

My mistake was forgetting that benefits of being slim are not just
future benefits, they are also present benefits. Such as feeling good,
looking good, being less sick etc. Dieting is not just about gaining
future benefits at the cost of sacrifice in present.


Some people get so much into this long-term health & longevity thing that
they forget that, for the vast majority, the motivation to lose weight is
for the present or the near future. These days there's adverts everywhere
encouraging people to get rid of those extra pounds before the summer
starts. Whether the products and/or plans advertised work or not is
irrelevant, the fact is, people go for the short term benefits, like looking
decent in a bikini or fitting into a nice dress. If everybody was thinking
long-term there would be no market for crash diets or 15-day plans.

It is a matter of sacrificing one short-term pleasure (eating certain foods)
for another (looking good).

As people are living in the present and are making constant decisions
about what they value more, this is an illogical conclusion. People vote
their preferences with their actions. We also need to establish the degree
of weight loss.


A very important point. The fatter you are the more important the health
issues become. Even without serious health problems, obesity can be
limiting, as in getting tired easily, being unable to perform certain
activities, etc.

On the other hand, losing those extra 10 or 20 lbs won't improve your health
drammatically or extend your lifespan by many years, it will, however, make
you look better in summer clothes: a short-term benefit.

Obesity is being about 30 pounds overweight. If you move from 90 pounds to
being 30 pounds overweight what are you daily short term benefits that
make weight loss worth it?


You'll feel a lot better shaking off those 60lbs of fat: you'll be more
agile, have more energy, find it easier to play with your kids, be able to
walk further, etc.

Then what are the benefits of going from 30 pounds overweight to ideal
weight on a daily basis?


Probably more obvious in front of the mirror than at the doctor's office.

And if these short term benefits are so clear then why don't the drive
behaviour more consistantly?


They do, millions of people around the world are trying to lose weight,
aren't they? There's even a seasonal trend, with many people starting diets
in January to shake off the Xmas pounds before the summer.


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Old May 6th, 2005, 02:46 PM
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Polar Light wrote:

And if these short term benefits are so clear then why don't the drive
behaviour more consistantly?


They do, millions of people around the world are trying to lose weight,
aren't they? There's even a seasonal trend, with many people starting diets
in January to shake off the Xmas pounds before the summer.



Starting something is easy. Finishing something shows resolve and value.
So millions of people are trying to lose weight yet consistently failing
so i conclude the value of long term weight loss is not as great as the
short term benefits from eating.
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Old May 6th, 2005, 03:36 PM
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Ignoramus29781 wrote:
Starting something is easy. Finishing something shows resolve and value.
So millions of people are trying to lose weight yet consistently failing
so i conclude the value of long term weight loss is not as great as the
short term benefits from eating.


Stacey, you assume rationality where there may be none.


Actually I am assuming the reverse. I am assuming the pleasure of food
is more important, for the majority of people, than any rationally based
short term or long term benefits of weight loss.

A recent fmri study shows clearly we have two ways of making decisions.
One is short term based on emotion based in the limbic system. One is
long term and rational based in the prefontal cortex. The emotional
system is dopamine triggered, which is what food excites, and wins out
over logic enough of the time.

You seem to be an intelligent human being and I could give you a list
of few books that explore the issue of irrationality and pitfalls in
decision making.


I am perplexed how you could read my posts this way.

Cubit made an excellent point once, that hunger is an extremely strong
influence on human mind and it can even change our priorities.


That's not strong enough. Hunger is the most important factor in our
survival.
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Old May 6th, 2005, 10:04 PM
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Ignoramus29781 wrote:
In other words, you assume that people always make a decision based on
the value of one factor vs. another. (you say "pleasure... is more
important").


People are not that simple so i wouldn't suggest anything is always.
Given the nature of decision making machinery pleasure will win more
times than not because the short and long term benefits of weight loss
don't matter enough to most people.

And what I am suggesting is that decision making regarding eating can
be quite far from comparing merits of various options. It could be
as simple as getting something out of the refrigerator without
thinking.


And what kind of other stuff happens without thinking? Do we create
great art? Write songs? Go spontaneously chop wood? Why is it food?


Now, this is quite different from the process that you described in
the previous paragraph.


Not in my mind, though I may not be communicating clearly.
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Old May 7th, 2005, 02:00 PM
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Ignoramus11139 wrote:
People are not that simple so i wouldn't suggest anything is always.
Given the nature of decision making machinery pleasure will win more
times than not because the short and long term benefits of weight loss
don't matter enough to most people.



That actually makes sense.


Unlike everything else I say I guess.

And what I am suggesting is that decision making regarding eating can
be quite far from comparing merits of various options. It could be
as simple as getting something out of the refrigerator without
thinking.


And what kind of other stuff happens without thinking? Do we create
great art? Write songs? Go spontaneously chop wood? Why is it food?



sex would be one such example.


Another hardwired drive. We eat far more than we have sex.

 




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