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  #11  
Old August 9th, 2004, 04:33 PM
Annabel Smyth
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 at 19:48:14, Sarandipidy
wrote:

i personally think one should balance everything in a diet-- cutting out carbs
as a whole is a bad idea, and even limiting them to a very low level is
probably not the best idea for the body. it is a good idea, however, to cut out
certain carbs completely that are made with enriched flour, and basically any
empty, starchy carb.


Don't forget sugar. That's the worst culprit, and there is so much
sugar hidden in things - look at your average tin of beans, for
instance. And good old sucrose has *no* nutrients except energy.

look for *multigrain* pastas, breads, etc. and eat fruit
and drink lowfat milk. if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you
have a high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at some
point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have to be a lifetime
commitment and carefully administered.

I believe - and I haven't studied it carefully, but I am given to
understand - that on Atkins, South Beach, etc, you monitor your weight
very carefully when going into maintenance, and work out how much you
can successfully incorporate into your menus before the weight starts
going on.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
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  #12  
Old August 9th, 2004, 04:33 PM
Annabel Smyth
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 at 19:48:14, Sarandipidy
wrote:

i personally think one should balance everything in a diet-- cutting out carbs
as a whole is a bad idea, and even limiting them to a very low level is
probably not the best idea for the body. it is a good idea, however, to cut out
certain carbs completely that are made with enriched flour, and basically any
empty, starchy carb.


Don't forget sugar. That's the worst culprit, and there is so much
sugar hidden in things - look at your average tin of beans, for
instance. And good old sucrose has *no* nutrients except energy.

look for *multigrain* pastas, breads, etc. and eat fruit
and drink lowfat milk. if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you
have a high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at some
point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have to be a lifetime
commitment and carefully administered.

I believe - and I haven't studied it carefully, but I am given to
understand - that on Atkins, South Beach, etc, you monitor your weight
very carefully when going into maintenance, and work out how much you
can successfully incorporate into your menus before the weight starts
going on.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!
  #13  
Old August 9th, 2004, 04:37 PM
Annabel Smyth
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 at 00:13:02, Ignoramus18740
wrote:

Sarandipidy, while I agree with much of what you wrote, most so called
"multigrain" breads on the market are not much better than
wonderbread. They have a few unmilled grains added and colored with
molasses.

The real whole wheat bread made from pure whole wheat flour, tastes
rather "different" from most breads and is probably not as easy to
sell to consumers. So they make fake healthy sounding imitations,
inventing brands like "health valley" etc.

I don't think that's always true, although of course I don't know what
goes on your side of the Atlantic. Here, if a bread calls itself
"multigrain", then it is just that. And almost all our "brown" bread is
wholemeal, as we call it - "Bread wi' nowt taken out", as one brand
advertises itself.

The sensible thing to do is to read the ingredients printed on the
packaging, and only buy those that "do exactly what it says on the tin",
to quote another advertisement popular over here.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!
  #14  
Old August 9th, 2004, 04:37 PM
Annabel Smyth
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 at 00:13:02, Ignoramus18740
wrote:

Sarandipidy, while I agree with much of what you wrote, most so called
"multigrain" breads on the market are not much better than
wonderbread. They have a few unmilled grains added and colored with
molasses.

The real whole wheat bread made from pure whole wheat flour, tastes
rather "different" from most breads and is probably not as easy to
sell to consumers. So they make fake healthy sounding imitations,
inventing brands like "health valley" etc.

I don't think that's always true, although of course I don't know what
goes on your side of the Atlantic. Here, if a bread calls itself
"multigrain", then it is just that. And almost all our "brown" bread is
wholemeal, as we call it - "Bread wi' nowt taken out", as one brand
advertises itself.

The sensible thing to do is to read the ingredients printed on the
packaging, and only buy those that "do exactly what it says on the tin",
to quote another advertisement popular over here.
--
Annabel Smyth
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
Website updated 7 August 2004 - for a limited time, be bored by my holiday
snaps!
  #15  
Old August 9th, 2004, 05:04 PM
MJC
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Thanks for mentioning this. I just checked my "grain" bread and you are
absolutly right. They used Brown Sugar instead of molasses but it has the
same results.
MJ

"Ignoramus18740" wrote in message
...
In article , Sarandipidy

wrote:

i personally think one should balance everything in a diet-- cutting
out carbs as a whole is a bad idea, and even limiting them to a very
low level is probably not the best idea for the body. it is a good
idea, however, to cut out certain carbs completely that are made
with enriched flour, and basically any empty, starchy carb. look for
*multigrain* pastas, breads, etc. and eat fruit and drink lowfat
milk. if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you have a
high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at
some point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have
to be a lifetime commitment and carefully administered.


Sarandipidy, while I agree with much of what you wrote, most so called
"multigrain" breads on the market are not much better than
wonderbread. They have a few unmilled grains added and colored with
molasses.

The real whole wheat bread made from pure whole wheat flour, tastes
rather "different" from most breads and is probably not as easy to
sell to consumers. So they make fake healthy sounding imitations,
inventing brands like "health valley" etc.

i



  #16  
Old August 9th, 2004, 05:04 PM
MJC
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Default Atkins Diet

Thanks for mentioning this. I just checked my "grain" bread and you are
absolutly right. They used Brown Sugar instead of molasses but it has the
same results.
MJ

"Ignoramus18740" wrote in message
...
In article , Sarandipidy

wrote:

i personally think one should balance everything in a diet-- cutting
out carbs as a whole is a bad idea, and even limiting them to a very
low level is probably not the best idea for the body. it is a good
idea, however, to cut out certain carbs completely that are made
with enriched flour, and basically any empty, starchy carb. look for
*multigrain* pastas, breads, etc. and eat fruit and drink lowfat
milk. if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you have a
high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at
some point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have
to be a lifetime commitment and carefully administered.


Sarandipidy, while I agree with much of what you wrote, most so called
"multigrain" breads on the market are not much better than
wonderbread. They have a few unmilled grains added and colored with
molasses.

The real whole wheat bread made from pure whole wheat flour, tastes
rather "different" from most breads and is probably not as easy to
sell to consumers. So they make fake healthy sounding imitations,
inventing brands like "health valley" etc.

i



  #17  
Old August 9th, 2004, 05:04 PM
MJC
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Default

Thanks for mentioning this. I just checked my "grain" bread and you are
absolutly right. They used Brown Sugar instead of molasses but it has the
same results.
MJ

"Ignoramus18740" wrote in message
...
In article , Sarandipidy

wrote:

i personally think one should balance everything in a diet-- cutting
out carbs as a whole is a bad idea, and even limiting them to a very
low level is probably not the best idea for the body. it is a good
idea, however, to cut out certain carbs completely that are made
with enriched flour, and basically any empty, starchy carb. look for
*multigrain* pastas, breads, etc. and eat fruit and drink lowfat
milk. if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you have a
high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at
some point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have
to be a lifetime commitment and carefully administered.


Sarandipidy, while I agree with much of what you wrote, most so called
"multigrain" breads on the market are not much better than
wonderbread. They have a few unmilled grains added and colored with
molasses.

The real whole wheat bread made from pure whole wheat flour, tastes
rather "different" from most breads and is probably not as easy to
sell to consumers. So they make fake healthy sounding imitations,
inventing brands like "health valley" etc.

i



  #18  
Old August 9th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Paula
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"Lictor" wrote in message ...
"Sarandipidy" wrote in message
...
if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you
have a high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at

some
point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have to be a

lifetime
commitment and carefully administered.


Actually, that's what Atkins, South Beach and probably all the low carb
diets say. When you start, you're on them *for life*. Any diet that uses
restriction and/or bans food groups has to be for life. That's why I'm not
convinved by powered proteidic diets, it's hard to keep on them for life...
It all depends on your view on obesity. If you consider it's like AIDS, and
impossible to cure and that's it ok to be on treatment for whatever is left
of your life and at whatever cost (side-effects, troublesome social life,
loss of cultural and familial identification), I guess low carb is no worse
than the other diets. Actually, if you consider the health-conscious
varations (health conscious fat balance, greens, tolerance for some
fruits...), they're ok diets. But if you consider that you can actually cure
obesity, low carb (and low fat for that matter) are not the way to go, they
don't cure obesity any more than AZT cure AIDS.


None of the low carb diets recommend that you eliminate carbs for the
rest of your life. The first phase is the most extreme and it's
primarily to break your addiction/cravings for starches and sweets.
You reintroduce carbs into your diet selectively and as long as you
continue to lose the weight you want to lose and keep your cravings at
bay, you can continue to move through the phases of the diet. When it
comes right down to it, Atkins and South Beach are pretty much
diabetic diets. Personally, I'd rather control my carbs BEFORE I get
diabetes than after and the fewer carbs I eat, the less I crave them.
The first few weeks are a bitch, but beyond that, I don't find low
carb diets all that tough to stay on. Eliminating whites - as in
white flour and white sugar - never hurt anyone. Stay away from
prepared foods and shop the perimeter of the grocery store. That's
where all your fresh produce, dairy (if you can handle dairy) and
fresh meats are.
  #19  
Old August 9th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Paula
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"Lictor" wrote in message ...
"Sarandipidy" wrote in message
...
if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you
have a high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at

some
point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have to be a

lifetime
commitment and carefully administered.


Actually, that's what Atkins, South Beach and probably all the low carb
diets say. When you start, you're on them *for life*. Any diet that uses
restriction and/or bans food groups has to be for life. That's why I'm not
convinved by powered proteidic diets, it's hard to keep on them for life...
It all depends on your view on obesity. If you consider it's like AIDS, and
impossible to cure and that's it ok to be on treatment for whatever is left
of your life and at whatever cost (side-effects, troublesome social life,
loss of cultural and familial identification), I guess low carb is no worse
than the other diets. Actually, if you consider the health-conscious
varations (health conscious fat balance, greens, tolerance for some
fruits...), they're ok diets. But if you consider that you can actually cure
obesity, low carb (and low fat for that matter) are not the way to go, they
don't cure obesity any more than AZT cure AIDS.


None of the low carb diets recommend that you eliminate carbs for the
rest of your life. The first phase is the most extreme and it's
primarily to break your addiction/cravings for starches and sweets.
You reintroduce carbs into your diet selectively and as long as you
continue to lose the weight you want to lose and keep your cravings at
bay, you can continue to move through the phases of the diet. When it
comes right down to it, Atkins and South Beach are pretty much
diabetic diets. Personally, I'd rather control my carbs BEFORE I get
diabetes than after and the fewer carbs I eat, the less I crave them.
The first few weeks are a bitch, but beyond that, I don't find low
carb diets all that tough to stay on. Eliminating whites - as in
white flour and white sugar - never hurt anyone. Stay away from
prepared foods and shop the perimeter of the grocery store. That's
where all your fresh produce, dairy (if you can handle dairy) and
fresh meats are.
  #20  
Old August 9th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Paula
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"Lictor" wrote in message ...
"Sarandipidy" wrote in message
...
if you cut out carbs from almost your entire diet, you
have a high chance of gaining the weight back if you reintroduce them at

some
point-- at least i've seen it happen to people. it would have to be a

lifetime
commitment and carefully administered.


Actually, that's what Atkins, South Beach and probably all the low carb
diets say. When you start, you're on them *for life*. Any diet that uses
restriction and/or bans food groups has to be for life. That's why I'm not
convinved by powered proteidic diets, it's hard to keep on them for life...
It all depends on your view on obesity. If you consider it's like AIDS, and
impossible to cure and that's it ok to be on treatment for whatever is left
of your life and at whatever cost (side-effects, troublesome social life,
loss of cultural and familial identification), I guess low carb is no worse
than the other diets. Actually, if you consider the health-conscious
varations (health conscious fat balance, greens, tolerance for some
fruits...), they're ok diets. But if you consider that you can actually cure
obesity, low carb (and low fat for that matter) are not the way to go, they
don't cure obesity any more than AZT cure AIDS.


None of the low carb diets recommend that you eliminate carbs for the
rest of your life. The first phase is the most extreme and it's
primarily to break your addiction/cravings for starches and sweets.
You reintroduce carbs into your diet selectively and as long as you
continue to lose the weight you want to lose and keep your cravings at
bay, you can continue to move through the phases of the diet. When it
comes right down to it, Atkins and South Beach are pretty much
diabetic diets. Personally, I'd rather control my carbs BEFORE I get
diabetes than after and the fewer carbs I eat, the less I crave them.
The first few weeks are a bitch, but beyond that, I don't find low
carb diets all that tough to stay on. Eliminating whites - as in
white flour and white sugar - never hurt anyone. Stay away from
prepared foods and shop the perimeter of the grocery store. That's
where all your fresh produce, dairy (if you can handle dairy) and
fresh meats are.
 




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