self sabotage?: food post

Tricky name - Fred's chocolate cake. Actually, I got the recipe from
a local newspaper. And yes, a gazillion calories or points was about
right.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:27:39 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I couldn't come
up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I remember
correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a gazillion
calories? G It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may have the
recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the mastercook
program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent
points. Eating out is part of life and finding reasonable foods on
those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? grin Going out is part of life,
enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww allows you
to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next opportunity. Make
ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all do it all
the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had out may have
been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the quantity you
ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in points,
probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you keep
the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall whenever we
go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for it later
in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will more
than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess calories
to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in that
dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is pretty
difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer chocolate
cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to eat - but
I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making different
choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and finding it
was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting grilled
veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated from the
plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have really
changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows me so
well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and knows the
rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in doubt,
check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant listings
with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and try to
stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it was too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

Nah, a black hole sucks everything in - this stuffs everything out -
maybe more like the big bang - infinitely expanding.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:04:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I recall thinking it was a black hole of points, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I
couldn't come
up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I
remember
correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a gazillion
calories? G It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may have
the
recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the
mastercook
program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent
points. Eating out is part of life and finding reasonable foods on
those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? grin Going out is part of
life,
enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww
allows you
to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next
opportunity. Make
ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all
do it all
the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had
out may have
been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the
quantity you
ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in
points,
probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if
you keep
the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall
whenever we
go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for
it later
in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see
will more
than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess
calories
to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in
that
dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is
pretty
difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
chocolate
cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to
eat - but
I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making
different
choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and
finding it
was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting
grilled
veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated
from the
plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes
have really
changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows
me so
well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and
knows the
rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in
doubt,
check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant
listings
with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and
try to
stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning
I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it
was too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I
had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the
scale), 2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,
Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I
take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no
idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's
site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't
really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion
that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was
very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand
we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not
sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see
some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day
or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in
this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do
know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I
pushed it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I
didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I
can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this
time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know
all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning
some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional
information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out
every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

There ya go, you knew what I wanted to say, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
Nah, a black hole sucks everything in - this stuffs everything out -
maybe more like the big bang - infinitely expanding.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:04:56 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I recall thinking it was a black hole of points, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
.. .
Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I
couldn't come
up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I
remember
correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a
gazillion
calories? G It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may
have
the
recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the
mastercook
program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent
points. Eating out is part of life and finding reasonable foods on
those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? grin Going out is part
of
life,
enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and
ww
allows you
to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next
opportunity. Make
ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We
all
do it all
the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had
out may have
been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the
quantity you
ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low
in
points,
probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad
if
you keep
the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my
downfall
whenever we
go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up
for
it later
in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see
will more
than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500
excess
calories
to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories
in
that
dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is
pretty
difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's
killer
chocolate
cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out
to
eat - but
I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making
different
choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and
finding it
was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting
grilled
veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be
eliminated
from the
plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes
have really
changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress
knows
me so
well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and
knows the
rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If
in
doubt,
check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of
restaurant
listings
with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go,
and
try to
stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a
lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This
morning
I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it
was too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous.
I
had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the
scale), 2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,
Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with
it-I
take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips
(no
idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's
site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't
really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner
portion
that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was
very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other
hand
we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points
right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm
not
sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can
see
some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other
day
or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early
in
this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I
do
know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I
pushed it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I
didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past)
I
can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that
this
time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less
in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't
know
all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply
assigning
some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional
information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out
every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

Yes Ma'am! (You're going to have to remind me to do that several times.
It's a habit that's harder to break than smoking for me.) Logically, I know
that I didn't eat an additional 3.5K calories, but I think it's that whole
perfectionist thing rearing it's ugly head. In addition to the
perfectionism there is a little bit of "control freak" going on.

I have yet to go to Cozymel's although there is one right down the street
from me. How does it compare to Chevy's?

I have more than enough weight to lose that I'm quite pleased with eating
smaller portions and not going into a "must eat everything" mode when I'm
hungry after getting home from work. I've noticed that after one week of
writing it all down (thus automatically eating less since I'm more aware)
and almost one week of being concious of point count/calorie count it seems
like I get fuller on less food and that pleases me to no end.

Julie


"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? grin Going out is part of
life,
enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww
allows you
to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next
opportunity. Make
ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all
do it all
the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had out
may have
been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the
quantity you
ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in
points,
probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you
keep
the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall
whenever we
go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for it
later
in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will
more
than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess
calories
to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in
that
dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is pretty
difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
chocolate
cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to
eat - but
I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making
different
choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and
finding it
was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting
grilled
veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated
from the
plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have
really
changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows
me so
well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and
knows the
rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in
doubt,
check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant
listings
with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and try
to
stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it was
too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I
had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale),
2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,
Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I
take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no
idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't
really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion
that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not
sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see
some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day
or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in
this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do
know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed
it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't
do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I
can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this
time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning
some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional
information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

Thanks Lee.

I did take my measurements and tucked them in my desk drawer for a week
where I'm not seeing scale movement. I really don't want dh to see those
numbers (until I've made significant progress, of course).

Julie

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and remember there is no right answer to this scale thing. for the first
month I weighed every day. I tracked it to get some kind of trend but it
did upset me a bunch. Then I joined WW and struggled to stay away from
the
scale. I finally beat the need to weigh and now I always weigh before
going
to my meeting to not have a huge shock in public. Now I weigh
additionally
when I feel really bloated or skinny to help me track things and it no
longer bothers me, do what makes you most comfortable, Lee
skiur wrote in message
...
Thanks for the point count.

I did tuck the scale away, but couldn't resist getting on it anyway. I
just
patted myself on the back for not getting upset about what I saw and
moved
on for the day. I still didn't track it in my sheet though, which is
probably a very good idea.

Julie


"Connie" wrote in message
...
Julie:

Going out to eat isn't sabotage!! It's part of life. WW is all about
doing this for the rest of your life. Don't expect yourself to start
any
behaviours that you can't maintain for the rest of your life.

From my Dining out Companion Quesadillas are 5 pts for 1/2 of a 6"
diameter. It sounds like you had 5 pts plus 1/3 of 5 pts from hubby
(count that as 2). That's 7 pts. Not bad. Count it and move on. If you
need to use some flex pts that's what they are there for. No worries.
Buy a Dining Out Companion. It will help with dining out problems.

Weighing yourself everyday can cause problems for some people. If you
feel like you are changing what you eat depending on what the scale
says
(for the worse) maybe you should just weigh in once a week.

Connie

skiur wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a
lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This
morning
I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it
was
too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous.
I
had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the
scale),
2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,
Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with
it-I
take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips
(no
idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's
site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't
really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner
portion
that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was
very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other
hand
we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points
right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm
not
sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can
see
some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other
day
or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early
in
this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I
do
know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I
pushed
it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past,
I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I
didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past)
I
can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that
this
time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less
in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't
know
all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply
assigning
some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional
information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out
every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie





--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/202/155
RAFL 210.5/202/198.5

Is Fred's cake anything like the Portillo's chocolate cake?

Julie

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I
couldn't come
up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I
remember
correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a gazillion
calories? G It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may have
the
recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the
mastercook
program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent
points. Eating out is part of life and finding reasonable foods on
those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? grin Going out is part of
life,
enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww
allows you
to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next
opportunity. Make
ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all
do it all
the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had
out may have
been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the
quantity you
ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in
points,
probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if
you keep
the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall
whenever we
go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for
it later
in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see
will more
than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess
calories
to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in
that
dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is
pretty
difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer
chocolate
cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to
eat - but
I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making
different
choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and
finding it
was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting
grilled
veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated
from the
plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes
have really
changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows
me so
well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and
knows the
rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in
doubt,
check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant
listings
with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and
try to
stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur"
wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning
I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it
was too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I
had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the
scale), 2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,
Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I
take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no
idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's
site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't
really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion
that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was
very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand
we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not
sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see
some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day
or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in
this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do
know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I
pushed it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I
didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I
can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this
time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know
all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning
some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional
information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner
though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out
every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie

I never did measure, I think I would have been horrified, and if I didn't
measure at the except time, failure, so no measuring for me, Lee
skiur wrote in message
...
Thanks Lee.

I did take my measurements and tucked them in my desk drawer for a week
where I'm not seeing scale movement. I really don't want dh to see those
numbers (until I've made significant progress, of course).

Julie

"Miss Violette" wrote in message
...
and remember there is no right answer to this scale thing. for the first
month I weighed every day. I tracked it to get some kind of trend but
it
did upset me a bunch. Then I joined WW and struggled to stay away from
the
scale. I finally beat the need to weigh and now I always weigh before
going
to my meeting to not have a huge shock in public. Now I weigh
additionally
when I feel really bloated or skinny to help me track things and it no
longer bothers me, do what makes you most comfortable, Lee
skiur wrote in message
...
Thanks for the point count.

I did tuck the scale away, but couldn't resist getting on it anyway.
I
just
patted myself on the back for not getting upset about what I saw and
moved
on for the day. I still didn't track it in my sheet though, which is
probably a very good idea.

Julie


"Connie" wrote in message
...
Julie:

Going out to eat isn't sabotage!! It's part of life. WW is all about
doing this for the rest of your life. Don't expect yourself to start
any
behaviours that you can't maintain for the rest of your life.

From my Dining out Companion Quesadillas are 5 pts for 1/2 of a 6"
diameter. It sounds like you had 5 pts plus 1/3 of 5 pts from hubby
(count that as 2). That's 7 pts. Not bad. Count it and move on. If
you
need to use some flex pts that's what they are there for. No
worries.
Buy a Dining Out Companion. It will help with dining out problems.

Weighing yourself everyday can cause problems for some people. If
you
feel like you are changing what you eat depending on what the scale
says
(for the worse) maybe you should just weigh in once a week.

Connie

skiur wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a
lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This
morning
I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because
it
was
too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an
afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was
ravenous.
I
had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the
scale),
2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place,
Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with
it-I
take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips
(no
idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my
Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the
Chevy's
site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I
don't
really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner
portion
that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there
was
very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other
hand
we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points
right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and
I'm
not
sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can
see
some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every
other
day
or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so
early
in
this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?).
I
do
know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I
pushed
it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the
past,
I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I
didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the
past)
I
can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that
this
time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate
less
in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't
know
all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply
assigning
some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional
information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to
dinner
though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get
out
every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie





--

Cheers,

Connie Walsh

241.5/202/155
RAFL 210.5/202/198.5

skiur wrote:
I can't imagine that the dinner portion that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

Uhm .... NO.

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

The current weight of one's body is depending on so many factors (water
*gulpgulpgulp* intake during the last couple of days, water
*gulpgulpgulp* retention inside the body etc.) that the weight is +/-1.5
kg for the average human being.

When my wife started WW we weighted her weekly, on Sundays first thing
in the morning.
When she lost weight during the week we went for a jog and used those
activity points plus the fiesta points she had saved during the week to
celebrate at a fast food joint of our choice, including a dessert.

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in
general this time.

So, *I* don't see a problem there

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional information
on is difficult for me.

Don't worry, you'll get a hang for the point values of various foods
very soon. When my wife started she used her guides everytime we went
shopping for food and when we went out to dinner.
By now she knows almost everything by heart.

Same happend to me when I started mid December.
By know I have my "standard" meals memorized and log everything at the
end of the day.


I don't want to give up going out to dinner though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every
now and again for some variety.

We went out about twice a week, mostly on weekends. Absolutely no
problem with that. It keeps you happy and that's what counts.


Suggestions?

Enjoy your life, stick to your plans and don't judge yourself by the
scale or by the look in the mirror. My wife was bragging about not
seeing any changes in her body after 6 weeks of WW (she lost almost 8 kg
( 17,5 lbs) by then. That was when she met a friend for the first time
in 8 weeks and even before saying "Hi" she went "OMG you lost so much!"

Cheers
Marc
(194/178/165)

:-)

Thanks Marc. I see that the H2O game is in effect here.

Julie

"Marc Heimann" wrote in message
...
skiur wrote:
I can't imagine that the dinner portion that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

Uhm .... NO.

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not
sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see
some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day
or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to
celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

The current weight of one's body is depending on so many factors (water
*gulpgulpgulp* intake during the last couple of days, water
*gulpgulpgulp* retention inside the body etc.) that the weight is +/-1.5
kg for the average human being.

When my wife started WW we weighted her weekly, on Sundays first thing
in the morning.
When she lost weight during the week we went for a jog and used those
activity points plus the fiesta points she had saved during the week to
celebrate at a fast food joint of our choice, including a dessert.

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in
this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do
know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed
it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I
didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I
can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this
time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in
general this time.

So, *I* don't see a problem there

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know
all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning
some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional
information
on is difficult for me.

Don't worry, you'll get a hang for the point values of various foods
very soon. When my wife started she used her guides everytime we went
shopping for food and when we went out to dinner.
By now she knows almost everything by heart.

Same happend to me when I started mid December.
By know I have my "standard" meals memorized and log everything at the
end of the day.


I don't want to give up going out to dinner though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out
every
now and again for some variety.

We went out about twice a week, mostly on weekends. Absolutely no
problem with that. It keeps you happy and that's what counts.


Suggestions?

Enjoy your life, stick to your plans and don't judge yourself by the
scale or by the look in the mirror. My wife was bragging about not
seeing any changes in her body after 6 weeks of WW (she lost almost 8 kg
( 17,5 lbs) by then. That was when she met a friend for the first time
in 8 weeks and even before saying "Hi" she went "OMG you lost so much!"

Cheers
Marc
(194/178/165)

It must have been bad enough that I didn't save it - could have sworn I did but
it's not around. Maybe it was the cheesecake I saved? Oh well, maybe next time
you fix it you'll be brave enough to post the recipe again. G

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:06:20 -0800, Fred wrote:

Tricky name - Fred's chocolate cake. Actually, I got the recipe from
a local newspaper. And yes, a gazillion calories or points was about
right.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:27:39 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Awwwww, sorry. I really wasn't slamming your chocolate cake - but I couldn't come
up with anything else that might be that heavily caloric laden. If I remember
correctly, didn't we figure that one slice had something like a gazillion
calories? G It definitely did sound wonderful, and I think I may have the
recipe stored in the computer. Maybe not, I've scoured through the mastercook
program and can't find it ... then again, maybe it has a tricky name?

Joyce

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:58:46 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hey, other than slamming my chocolate cakes (g), you make excellent
points. Eating out is part of life and finding reasonable foods on
those excursions becomes part of the long term solution

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:18:52 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Hey Julie, quit beating yourself up, okay? grin Going out is part of life,
enjoying it is part of life. You want to make ww part of life, and ww allows you
to go out and enjoy the moment. Get back on track at the next opportunity. Make
ammends for it the next few days by cutting back on other items. We all do it all
the time, it works out in the end. While your choice of what you had out may have
been better (I tend to avoid items with cheese), cutting back on the quantity you
ate is definitely a step in the right direction. Salsa is very low in points,
probably no damage there. Chips aren't great, but also not too bad if you keep
the quantity under control. I love the tostado chips, are my downfall whenever we
go out. So I go ahead and eat them, enjoy the splurge, and make up for it later
in the week. No guilt trips, no looking back, only look ahead.

Try and stay off the scale for a few days, any increase you will see will more
than likely just be salt. Think of it this way ... it takes 3500 excess calories
to equal 1 pound of fat. Do you honestly think you ate 3500 calories in that
dinner? NO! While it may be possible to do that in a week, it is pretty
difficult to accomplish in one meal (unless you are eating Fred's killer chocolate
cake).

I will admit that in the beginning, I also had a tough time going out to eat - but
I still did it. It became easier down the road. I started by making different
choices ... trying the fish at our fav mexican place (Cozymel's) and finding it
was absolutely wonderful. Ordering sauces on the side, substituting grilled
veggies for rice/beans - or asking for unwanted items to be eliminated from the
plate entirely. If I don't see them I won't eat them. Now my tastes have really
changed and I rarely think about what I am ordering. The waitress knows me so
well, will automatically tell me what their seafood of the day is and knows the
rest of the order. LOL

Hang in there. With each trip out it does become a bit easier. If in doubt,
check out www.dwlz.com , the restaurant section ... tons of restaurant listings
with points. Have somewhat of an idea in your head before you go, and try to
stick to it. I think you're doing great.

Joyce

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:36 -0600, "skiur" wrote:

I'm not sure if I'm sabotaging myself or not. Yesterday I had a lower
points sort of day because I wasn't as hungry yesterday. This morning I
woke up hungry, had some fruit, skipped the morning snack because it was too
busy at work, had my lunch, saved a portion for later and had an afternoon
snack on top of that (12 points). When I came home I was ravenous. I had a
bag of ceasar salad with a little dressing (1oz according to the scale), 2
crab stix, and a few mini merangues. (Maybe 4 points)

When dh came home, we went out to dinner to a Mexican-style place, Chevy's.
I had 3 containers of salsa (3 points) and the chips that go with it-I take
huge scoops of salsa so I could finish a container with 5-6 chips (no idea
how many points). Then or food came and I had 1/2 of one of my Napa
quesedilla's (sp?) and a wedge of dh's fiery. I checked the Chevy's site
and dwlz.com and neither his or my dinners were on there so I don't really
know what to count dinner as. I can't imagine that the dinner portion that
I ate had substantial points because it was so little and there was very
little cheese, no guac or sour cream on either, but on the other hand we
were out to dinner, it tasted good-had to be loaded with points right?

I was looking forward to seeing downward trend on the scale and I'm not sure
that will happen now. I have been weighing daily to see if I can see some
sort of trend, but I think I'm going to have to make it every other day or
more because it's as if I see myself lose weight and then want to celebrate
with food (self sabotage?).

I'm feeling a bit bad about myself for going out to dinner so early in this
new woe because I'm trying to learn good habits (more sabotage?). I do know
that I was completely satisfied after my quesdilla 1/2 and then I pushed it
with the second half of hubby's wedge. I also know that in the past, I
would have gotten the meal that was covered in a cream sauce and I didn't do
that. I also know that normally (or maybe I should say in the past) I can
keep eating well past the point where dh stops. I didn't do that this time
because I noticed I was feeling full. I also think that I ate less in
general this time.

I'm not really comfortable with going out to eat because I don't know all
the point values and I'm changing what I choose, but simply assigning some
arbitrary number to something that I don't know the nutritional information
on is difficult for me. I don't want to give up going out to dinner though
because it's a break that I need from cooking and I like to get out every
now and again for some variety.

Suggestions?

This post got long on me. Thanks for sticking through it.

Julie