Interesting Anti-Sat Fat Approach

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."



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On 2/4/2004 2:33 PM, Once In A Blue M_un wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."

To what, peanuts?

--
jmk in NC

In alt.support.diabetes jmk wrote:
On 2/4/2004 2:33 PM, Once In A Blue M_un wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."

To what, peanuts?

I guess you missed the reference to olive oil, which preceeded the peanut
items.

Priscilla

On 2/4/2004 2:58 PM, Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes jmk wrote:

On 2/4/2004 2:33 PM, Once In A Blue M_un wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."


To what, peanuts?


I guess you missed the reference to olive oil, which preceeded the peanut
items.

Sorry, my point was that this research was paid for by the Peanut Institute.

--
jmk in NC

In alt.support.diabetes jmk wrote:
On 2/4/2004 2:58 PM, Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes jmk wrote:

On 2/4/2004 2:33 PM, Once In A Blue M_un wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."


To what, peanuts?


I guess you missed the reference to olive oil, which preceeded the peanut
items.

Sorry, my point was that this research was paid for by the Peanut Institute.

Ah! A point that should not be overlooked.

Priscilla

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:11:31 -0500, jmk wrote
(in message ):



On 2/4/2004 2:58 PM, Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes jmk wrote:

On 2/4/2004 2:33 PM, Once In A Blue M_un wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."


To what, peanuts?


I guess you missed the reference to olive oil, which preceeded the peanut
items.

Sorry, my point was that this research was paid for by the Peanut Institute.

I can attest to that... I hiss from their Gallery ;-)

--
Steve

Who is the humblest person in the universe?
According to Chung, God :-)
ROTFL! "I'm Humble! Worship Me!"

Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003

Steve wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:11:31 -0500, jmk wrote
(in message ):



On 2/4/2004 2:58 PM, Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes jmk wrote:

On 2/4/2004 2:33 PM, Once In A Blue M_un wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."


To what, peanuts?


I guess you missed the reference to olive oil, which preceeded the peanut
items.

Sorry, my point was that this research was paid for by the Peanut Institute.

I can attest to that... I hiss from their Gallery ;-)


You poor guy.

FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because the
author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the header be
trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this message, a
few suggestions:

(1) Yell at Steve
(2) Report Steve to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.

This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and has
been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation has been
entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian.
Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp

From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently opposed
to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every perceived
weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument soundly at every
point:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp

These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion
thread(s).

However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward
its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit the message
then try to discredit the messenger."

Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is someone
who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming discussion value
and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.

These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following
observations were made:

(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to achieve
near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight
becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5D042C47
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including jpegs
of the actual diplomas).

Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to
attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to
libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp

When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful
folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their
fallen hero.

Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or
as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line
third-party resources at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp

where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous claims
that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon
posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver one-sided
insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its
author.

and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the
din of hissing from the peanut gallery.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147

Once In A Blue M_un wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."

So they've started quoting Dr Atkins. That's nice.

Doug Freyburger wrote:

Once In A Blue M_un wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0605074125.htm

Dr. Penny Kris-Etherton, distinguished professor of nutrition and
leader of the study, says, "Results from this study suggest that
Americans may be able to eat the same amount of fat as they are used
to without adversely affecting some cardiovascular disease markers as
long as they change the type of fats they consume."

So they've started quoting Dr Atkins. That's nice.

It is doubtful that Dr. Atkin's favorite food item, canadian bacon, has the
right type of fats.

FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message.
Because the author of the message to which I am responding did not request
that the header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about
reading this message, a few suggestions:

(1) Yell at Doug
(2) Report Doug to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.

This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
described completely at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary
and has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation
has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a
Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He
touched:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp

From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently
opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every
perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
soundly at every point:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp

These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this
discussion thread(s).

However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach
toward its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit
the message then try to discredit the messenger."

Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is
someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming
discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.

These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the
following observations were made:

(1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
(2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
discussion(s).
(a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to
achieve near-ideal weight.
(b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their
weight becomes near-ideal.
(c) For (b) see: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V5D042C47
(3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
(4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
(5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including
jpegs of the actual diplomas).

Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have
tried to attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were
attempting to libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp

When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the
hateful folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in
support of their fallen hero.

Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either
actively or as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are,
using the on-line third-party resources at:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp

where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous
claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the
anon posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

(1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
accountability).
(2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory
characters.
(3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
one-sided insults.
(4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by
cross-posting.
(5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or
its author.

and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD
above the din of hissing from the peanut gallery.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

--
Who is the humblest person in the universe?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21532147

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
reading this message, a few suggestions:

(1) Yell at Doug
(2) Report Doug to his ISP
(3) Killfile this thread.
(4) Killfile me.
(5) Read about free speech.

I have chosen option number 4.