Back from being lost at sea (long report)

On 9/14/04 10:32 PM, in article , "Ignoramus13229"
wrote:

In article , Doug Lerner wrote:
On 9/14/04 8:42 PM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

Doug Lerner wrote:

|| I
|| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at, say,
|| under 30 gm per day!
||

Why?


Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat, thus higher
calorie, foods.


There are also vegetables, of which you could eat a lot! For example,
cabbage, 5 g of carbs per cup. Or spinach, which is nearly calorie
free, etc.


It's hard to imagine munching on spinach and cabbage as main snacks for
years at a time though. But your point is well taken.

doug

On 9/14/04 10:32 PM, in article , "Ignoramus13229"
wrote:

In article , Doug Lerner wrote:
On 9/14/04 8:42 PM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

Doug Lerner wrote:

|| I
|| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at, say,
|| under 30 gm per day!
||

Why?


Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat, thus higher
calorie, foods.


There are also vegetables, of which you could eat a lot! For example,
cabbage, 5 g of carbs per cup. Or spinach, which is nearly calorie
free, etc.


It's hard to imagine munching on spinach and cabbage as main snacks for
years at a time though. But your point is well taken.

doug

Doug, GOOD POST! I found your info really interesting !! I'm looking at
my food differantly too although I have low blood sugar I eat SF Ice
cream because I'm an I.C. freak!! If I keep SF on hand I eat this when I
get the big cravings and it keeps me 'good' away from the bad stuff. I
count no cals. at all but I just eat when hungrey and I eat till
satisified. Congrats on you great progress. I just recently got back on
the wagon too. Please keep close to here! We need you we need the
great posts that you send.

glo

Doug, GOOD POST! I found your info really interesting !! I'm looking at
my food differantly too although I have low blood sugar I eat SF Ice
cream because I'm an I.C. freak!! If I keep SF on hand I eat this when I
get the big cravings and it keeps me 'good' away from the bad stuff. I
count no cals. at all but I just eat when hungrey and I eat till
satisified. Congrats on you great progress. I just recently got back on
the wagon too. Please keep close to here! We need you we need the
great posts that you send.

glo

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| On 9/14/04 8:42 PM, in article ,
|| "Roger Zoul" wrote:
||
||| Doug Lerner wrote:
|||
||||| I
||||| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at, say,
||||| under 30 gm per day!
|||||
|||
||| Why?
|||
|||
|| Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat, thus
|| higher calorie, foods.
||

Not true at all. Veggie? And even if you eat high fat foods, just don't eat
so much. I've done low cal, low carb many, many times.

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| On 9/14/04 8:42 PM, in article ,
|| "Roger Zoul" wrote:
||
||| Doug Lerner wrote:
|||
||||| I
||||| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at, say,
||||| under 30 gm per day!
|||||
|||
||| Why?
|||
|||
|| Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat, thus
|| higher calorie, foods.
||

Not true at all. Veggie? And even if you eat high fat foods, just don't eat
so much. I've done low cal, low carb many, many times.

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| On 9/14/04 10:32 PM, in article ,
|| "Ignoramus13229" wrote:
||
||| In article , Doug Lerner wrote:
|||| On 9/14/04 8:42 PM, in article ,
|||| "Roger Zoul" wrote:
||||
||||| Doug Lerner wrote:
|||||
||||||| I
||||||| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at,
||||||| say, under 30 gm per day!
|||||||
|||||
||||| Why?
|||||
|||||
|||| Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat,
|||| thus higher calorie, foods.
||||
|||
||| There are also vegetables, of which you could eat a lot! For
||| example, cabbage, 5 g of carbs per cup. Or spinach, which is nearly
||| calorie
||| free, etc.
|||
||
|| It's hard to imagine munching on spinach and cabbage as main snacks
|| for
|| years at a time though. But your point is well taken.

Years at a time? If the objective is to low weight (the main reason for a
low cal diet) then there is no need to do it for years at a time. Perhaps
you need to lose the notion that low carb means high calorie. It's not true.

Doug Lerner wrote:
|| On 9/14/04 10:32 PM, in article ,
|| "Ignoramus13229" wrote:
||
||| In article , Doug Lerner wrote:
|||| On 9/14/04 8:42 PM, in article ,
|||| "Roger Zoul" wrote:
||||
||||| Doug Lerner wrote:
|||||
||||||| I
||||||| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at,
||||||| say, under 30 gm per day!
|||||||
|||||
||||| Why?
|||||
|||||
|||| Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat,
|||| thus higher calorie, foods.
||||
|||
||| There are also vegetables, of which you could eat a lot! For
||| example, cabbage, 5 g of carbs per cup. Or spinach, which is nearly
||| calorie
||| free, etc.
|||
||
|| It's hard to imagine munching on spinach and cabbage as main snacks
|| for
|| years at a time though. But your point is well taken.

Years at a time? If the objective is to low weight (the main reason for a
low cal diet) then there is no need to do it for years at a time. Perhaps
you need to lose the notion that low carb means high calorie. It's not true.

Ignoramus13229 wrote:
|| In article , Doug Lerner wrote:
||| Thanks for your reply!
|||
||| Yes - I know that low carb and low cal are not necessarily
||| incompatible. Well, at least low cal and *lower* carb are not. I
||| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at, say,
||| under 30 gm per day!
||
|| I guess that what is and what is not hard depends on the person, but,
|| when I think of "low cal", I think about relatively small calorie
|| deficit, say 1000 calories per day.

You consider a 1000-calorie per day deficit small? Perhaps I'm
misunderstanding you.

In article , Doug Lerner
wrote:

On 9/14/04 8:42 PM, in article , "Roger
Zoul" wrote:

Doug Lerner wrote:

|| I
|| think it would be very hard to eat low cal and keep carbs at, say,
|| under 30 gm per day!
||

Why?


Because with very low carbs the only foods left are higher fat, thus higher
calorie, foods.

doug


Not true. An egg, for example, generally has less than 100 calories.
Three eggs is a filling meal. A grilled chicken breast is low-fat, as are
many low-carb vegetables. I was easily able to stay under 1500 calories
and 20-30g carbs.

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