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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
But how shall I have the fat children? Broiled? Baked? Fried? Boiled
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Mack wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: Seems to me, one of the most egregious problems from the "low-carb" advocates is their lack of distinction between simple carbs, i.e. sugars, and complex carbs, i.e. fruits and vegetables. Unless you deal with ... paying attention to the endless discussion of experienced low carbers teaching naive new low carbers I meant the individuals who constantly post here and on other boards who do not seem to make very much if any distinction In other words all of the newbies who get constant pressure from folks to read the books and follow the directions. Advocates is a poor word for newbies. I suspect that I am significantly better-read than you, just based on the observation that you do not sound here like the type who would be much of a reader. I don't suggest folks read books I haven't myself. My current lack - I've skimmed SBD but not gone through it in detail. My meter-wide low carb section needs to have parts of it donated again to make room. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
I prefer not to eat the chlorine bleach used in sugar.
"Dawn Taylor" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 00:36:39 +0800, "Moosh" announced in front of God and everybody: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:50:07 -0800, Dawn Taylor posted: Honey, however, offers such little nutritive benefit that it's essentially no different, spoonful-to-spoonful, from white sugar. Apparently not, as you can see by looking up the nutrition tables. It should be used sparingly like all energy dense foods, but a little of what you like..... Honey contains two simple sugars, glucose and fructose. Table sugar has the same two sugars, bound together to form a double sugar called sucrose. In your body, they end up in exactly the same way. Once sucrose reaches your intestine, it's broken back down into glucose and fructose. So your body metabolizes honey and sugar in exactly the same way. A tablespoon of white sugar has 64 calories and a tablespoon of honey contains water, so that it has only 46. But you add sweeteners by taste, so you end up eating the same number of calories to obtain the same sweetness using either sugar or honey. And yes, honey has some minerals that sugar does not. But let's be real -- to get, say, your RDA of iron, you'd have to eat 10 cups of honey a day -- 40 cups for your RDA of calcium. The amount of nutrients in a tablespoon of honey are so scant as to be inconsequential. Dawn |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Do you drink tap water?
In s.com, Pizza Girl stated | I prefer not to eat the chlorine bleach used in sugar. | |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Yes I do but detest the taste of chlorimine there too. I filter it for taste
and try to let it sit out for a bit too. Unfortunately the chloramine does not evaporate as easily as the earlier forms of chlorination. "FOB" wrote in message y.com... Do you drink tap water? In s.com, Pizza Girl stated | I prefer not to eat the chlorine bleach used in sugar. | |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:22:03 -0800, Dawn Taylor
posted: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 00:36:39 +0800, "Moosh" announced in front of God and everybody: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:50:07 -0800, Dawn Taylor posted: Honey, however, offers such little nutritive benefit that it's essentially no different, spoonful-to-spoonful, from white sugar. Apparently not, as you can see by looking up the nutrition tables. It should be used sparingly like all energy dense foods, but a little of what you like..... Honey contains two simple sugars, glucose and fructose. Table sugar has the same two sugars, bound together to form a double sugar called sucrose. In your body, they end up in exactly the same way. Once sucrose reaches your intestine, it's broken back down into glucose and fructose. So your body metabolizes honey and sugar in exactly the same way. And the same with fruit juices. You have said nothing new here. Honey also contains micronutrients which sucrose doesn't. A tablespoon of white sugar has 64 calories and a tablespoon of honey contains water, so that it has only 46. But you add sweeteners by taste, so you end up eating the same number of calories to obtain the same sweetness using either sugar or honey. Your point? Fruits? High fructose honeys and fruit juices are sweeter than sucrose, gram for gram. And yes, honey has some minerals that sugar does not. That's my point. Other micronutrients as well? Like fruit juices. But let's be real -- to get, say, your RDA of iron, you'd have to eat 10 cups of honey a day -- 40 cups for your RDA of calcium. And you are silly enough to want these RDAs from one food? How much sugar from say oranges would you need to do this silly trick you allude to? The amount of nutrients in a tablespoon of honey are so scant as to be inconsequential. Same with fruits. What is your point? |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:36:58 GMT, "Mack"
posted: Honey: In Walford's "Beyond" book, glycemic index chart table 9.3, he lists honey in the "80-90%" (2nd highest) area. (Glucose = 100%.) Same category as cornflakes, baked (white) potato, watermelon and white bread. I would avoid honey as an extremely high-glycemic food. But to each his own. If you refer to: http://diabetes.about.com/library/me...i/ngilists.htm You will find that honey is low GI and low GL. But I thought you avoided EVERYTHING sweet. Obviously, "sweet" is a subjective term. I do not avoid most fruit, if that's what you mean. OK. So you don't avoid everything sweet. I thought you did when you said "and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste," And Ignoramous, who I was responding to said "I eat nothing sweetened" "Moosh" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:23:17 GMT, "Mack" posted: No, it definitely does not "put the kybosh" on fruit. I only avoid the particularly high-glycemic fruits, like watermelon, ripe bananas, pineapples, raisins. It does put it on honey. Two very different things. Honey is an extremely high-glycemic food, like sugar. Nope, neither are high. Fructose is quite low AAMOF. Sugared and artifically-sweetened food tastes -- at least to me -- dramatically sweeter than any fruit I eat. You really must overdo the sweetener. I find a drop or two of saccharine in a cup of tea to be fine. Just sweet. But I thought you avoided EVERYTHING sweet. Apples and pears are quite low GI but extremely sweet. It's all that fructose or fruit sugar. Very sweet, but very low GI. mack austin "Moosh" wrote in message .. . On 19 Mar 2004 03:34:54 GMT, Ignoramus21235 posted: In article , Mack wrote: You have to do what you have to do. But it has been my experience that making the transition from sweets to artificial sweets to no sweets eventually kills or greatly lessens the sweet cravings. If you could wean yourself off the artificial sweeteners and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste, eventually, you would not want the candy. In theory, at least. That might not work for you; I don't know. Works for me. No more candy cravings. I eat nothing sweetened. My theory is that good food does not need sweetening. Sure puts the kybosh on fruit and honey and so on. Fine foods in moderation. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
On 20 Mar 2004 04:42:23 GMT, Ignoramus3239
posted: In article , Moosh wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:36:58 GMT, "Mack" posted: Honey: In Walford's "Beyond" book, glycemic index chart table 9.3, he lists honey in the "80-90%" (2nd highest) area. (Glucose = 100%.) Same category as cornflakes, baked (white) potato, watermelon and white bread. I would avoid honey as an extremely high-glycemic food. But to each his own. If you refer to: http://diabetes.about.com/library/me...i/ngilists.htm You will find that honey is low GI and low GL. But I thought you avoided EVERYTHING sweet. Obviously, "sweet" is a subjective term. I do not avoid most fruit, if that's what you mean. OK. So you don't avoid everything sweet. I thought you did when you said "and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste," And Ignoramous, who I was responding to said "I eat nothing sweetened" I do eat naturally sweet things, such as apples, but not all and in moderation. One apple per day is about all sweetness that I get. OK, but I thought the thrust of the messages was to avoid ALL sweetness in order to accustom yourself to not craving sweetness. Apparently it's about no such thing. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:52:03 GMT, "JC Der Koenig"
posted: It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense. Then where are the calories coming from? |
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