Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)

Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
categorized as obese.



And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.



Like I said, I do not have a ton of excess flab, and alot of it is
muscle.
so I don't put alot into what a persons BMI index is unless they are
really
noticeably fat.

I don't have a double chin, and my arms, legs, and neck look slim. the
weight I want to loose is around my stomach and sides, to give you an
idea.



I'm the one that wrote that you're probably NOT obese. Low carbing (not
neccessarily Atkins) is a proven winner in dropping bodyfat% if you engage
in a consistent exercise program. Lifting heavy things would be preferred
over cardio stuff. If you feel that you must do cardio, look into HIIT.



Sorry, I didn't meant to sound combative. I appreciate what you said.
I can work out, do weights. That isn't a problem. I have noticed in the past
that my muscles react very well to a workout, and within a few weeks I see a
difference, the problem was before that I had tried a low fat low calorie
diet, with LOTS of cardio, which left me constantly hungry and needing more
and more cardio to keep up with any sort of weight loss.
I believe that muscle burns fat, and that gaining a reasonable amount of
well toned muscle will eventually speed up metabolism to a certain degree (I
am not being unrealistic though, I have a medium paced metabolism), and that
in time I can kick some of this fat off.

I have a question.
In the first phase of Atkins, you are stuck at less than 30 grams of carbs a
day.
A low carb diet is what the Suzanne sommers diet is based around, and I hear
it really works, so how many carbs is "low carb".
Obviously you want to cut out the empty carbs like glucose-fructose and
white sugars, and replace them with complete complex sugars, but how many
carbs do you cut out?

Thanks for the reply to this thread btw. you are being helpful, while so
many are just being goofy.

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sorry to hijack your thread, Steven. carry on.

ps: atkins induction is 20 grams a day for two weeks, but there are ways
of eating low carb without following atkins. in fact, you don't need a
formal diet plan at all to eat low carb.

Qilt Kitty wrote:

Couldn't he just remove the refined carbs in his diet and slowly back
into it since the actual induction period is way to hard on him??

of course he can.

"Qilt Kitty" wrote in message
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Couldn't he just remove the refined carbs in his diet and slowly
back
into it since the actual induction period is way to hard on him??

Yes that is a doable approach, but he wouldn't get any of the other
benefits of induction, namely almost imediate suppression of the
appetite, dropping a bunch of excess water, breaking carb addiction
(and perhaps caffine too), and setting himself up to test for food
intolerances, allergies, and triggers. I discovered a wheat
intolerance in myself I never knew I had until I did induction.

It really depends on what he wants and needs.

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Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:

Yeah, that is what I am starting to read from this thread.
As I said, the induction phase was hard on my PHYSICALLY. some people claim
that its a lack of discipline that keeps many away, but for me it was "I
think I am going to pass out, my hands are shaking" sort of problem.

Then the best thing to do to make sure YOU succeed is to maybe start at
say 30 - 35g carb max per day .. try it for a few days, and if that is
okay for you, the next week go lower by 5g .. reverse the phases is all
... I'm not sure if your weight loss with be the big whoosh that every
that does a "pure" induction gets, but some/any weight loss has to be
better than not being able to handle the food plan physically ..

And there is NO shame in that .. you tailor the plan to fit YOUR current
needs, but remember that it needs to be altered as you adjust.

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Steven C (Doktersteve) wrote:

I may give it another shot, but them more I read about entering ketosis, the
more it seems as if its a hard change on the body.
I will give it some more thought based on what I read on the net and in this
thread.

It's not a change that you will notice very much at all .. it occurs
while people are "withdrawing" from their various addictions / food
loves

One thing is to be sure to take your supplements, if you were female I
would HIGHLY stress the calcium, but not sure on the males .. you might
want to research this yourself in google or on the atkins site.

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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message
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I have a question.
In the first phase of Atkins, you are stuck at less than 30 grams
of carbs a
day.
A low carb diet is what the Suzanne sommers diet is based around,
and I hear
it really works, so how many carbs is "low carb".

In general, any diet that is less than 100 grams a day is considered
low carb, but every plan varies, and so does every body. Your
personal maximum is what you need to go by. How do you find out?
Several different plans have a way to help you find out what it is.
Increase your daily carb allotment each week until you stop losing.
Your personal maximum loss would be about 5 to 10 grams below that
point.


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It's been noticed in other threads too.

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"Qilt Kitty" wrote in message
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Couldn't he just remove the refined carbs in his diet and slowly
back
into it since the actual induction period is way to hard on him??



Yeah, that is what I am starting to read from this thread.
As I said, the induction phase was hard on my PHYSICALLY. some
people claim
that its a lack of discipline that keeps many away, but for me it
was "I
think I am going to pass out, my hands are shaking" sort of problem.

Are you sure you were eating enough calories?

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"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in
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Awesome. Thank you!
I am getting alot out of this.

Glad to have helped.

One of the things is that I may not have to cut out ALL carbs, just
the
white fours, white sugars, glucose/fructose, and then be careful of
what I
eat.

Contrary to the media's portrayal, Atkins is not the meat and cheese
diet. Yes, you can eat saturated fat. But you're not required to,
and the prefered meats are fish and chicken, and in moderate amounts.
Just because a diet allows something doesn't mean you have to gorge
yourself on it.

Atkins sounds ideal, and I know that even on Atkins you need to
exercise
(lots of people think that Atkins is just some magical diet idea,
and it
isn't), however I don't like the idea of no carbs, based on how I
felt
before.

Yep. It is extremely hard to do zero carbs. What you want to try to
do is get most of them from your fiberous veggies.

I may give it another shot, but them more I read about entering
ketosis, the
more it seems as if its a hard change on the body.
I will give it some more thought based on what I read on the net and
in this
thread.

Ketosis is a natural human state, and we were designed to live in that
state for large amounts of time (ice age didn't have large amounts of
high carb food lying around).

IF I do go on Atkins again, I will do it right, and follow it pretty
much
exactly.

From your other comments, you might not be able to go quite so low as
20, but 25 or 30 will do. Plus you still need to watch your
calories. Both too high and too low cause problems.

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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
categorized as obese.



And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.



Like I said, I do not have a ton of excess flab, and alot of it is
muscle.
so I don't put alot into what a persons BMI index is unless they are
really
noticeably fat.

I don't have a double chin, and my arms, legs, and neck look slim. the
weight I want to loose is around my stomach and sides, to give you an
idea.



I'm the one that wrote that you're probably NOT obese. Low carbing (not
neccessarily Atkins) is a proven winner in dropping bodyfat% if you
engage
in a consistent exercise program. Lifting heavy things would be
preferred
over cardio stuff. If you feel that you must do cardio, look into HIIT.



Sorry, I didn't meant to sound combative. I appreciate what you said.
I can work out, do weights. That isn't a problem. I have noticed in the
past
that my muscles react very well to a workout, and within a few weeks I see
a
difference, the problem was before that I had tried a low fat low calorie
diet, with LOTS of cardio, which left me constantly hungry and needing
more
and more cardio to keep up with any sort of weight loss.
I believe that muscle burns fat, and that gaining a reasonable amount of
well toned muscle will eventually speed up metabolism to a certain degree
(I
am not being unrealistic though, I have a medium paced metabolism), and
that
in time I can kick some of this fat off.

I have a question.
In the first phase of Atkins, you are stuck at less than 30 grams of carbs
a
day.
A low carb diet is what the Suzanne sommers diet is based around, and I
hear
it really works, so how many carbs is "low carb".
Obviously you want to cut out the empty carbs like glucose-fructose and
white sugars, and replace them with complete complex sugars, but how many
carbs do you cut out?


Most of this has already been answered by others already. Just cut your
carbs until you find the amount that lets you get through the day and still
lose fat. I would also add that walnuts, pecans, almonds and sunflower seeds
are a very good supplement to a low carb diet, as long as you don't over-do
them.

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

Couldn't he just remove the refined carbs in his diet and slowly back
into it since the actual induction period is way to hard on him??

of course he can.

Okay then what's the big deal??? Or am I missing something .. Rule of
thumb .. for exercise and intake .. "LISTEN TO YOUR BODY"

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NO MORE NUTS KITTY!!!!!
168/160/130 – November Goal 155
September 17 2003