Atkins = ? (should i start this again?)

revek wrote:

Yes that is a doable approach, but he wouldn't get any of the other
benefits of induction, namely almost imediate suppression of the
appetite, dropping a bunch of excess water, breaking carb addiction

I agree 100%, but if he can wean himself off whatever he is addicted to
to more tolerable levels, then he can do induction .. just an extra step
or four

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revek wrote:

Ketosis is a natural human state, and we were designed to live in that
state for large amounts of time (ice age didn't have large amounts of
high carb food lying around).

heh heh ..that's what I say when I try to explain WHY the eating this
way is so beneficial to people. I tell them (being a total smartass of
course) .. wayy back in time in a cave .. ugga .. we needums more BREAD
... uggabugga .. get some bread ugga at the store ugga .. Then they look
at me (heh heh) and say, okay, you got a point there .. no ****
sherlock!

They tend to get the point very quickly. I just basically say, that way
back when, man didn't have all these breads and crackers and pastas and
staff .. Neanderthal man ate fruits, veggies, nuts, berries and meat ..
heh .. even my 8 yo DS gets this concept

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JC Der Koenig wrote:

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" wrote in message
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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which is
categorized as obese.



And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.



Like I said, I do not have a ton of excess flab, and alot of it is
muscle.
so I don't put alot into what a persons BMI index is unless they are
really
noticeably fat.

I don't have a double chin, and my arms, legs, and neck look slim. the
weight I want to loose is around my stomach and sides, to give you an
idea.



I'm the one that wrote that you're probably NOT obese. Low carbing (not
neccessarily Atkins) is a proven winner in dropping bodyfat% if you
engage
in a consistent exercise program. Lifting heavy things would be
preferred
over cardio stuff. If you feel that you must do cardio, look into HIIT.



Sorry, I didn't meant to sound combative. I appreciate what you said.
I can work out, do weights. That isn't a problem. I have noticed in the
past
that my muscles react very well to a workout, and within a few weeks I see
a
difference, the problem was before that I had tried a low fat low calorie
diet, with LOTS of cardio, which left me constantly hungry and needing
more
and more cardio to keep up with any sort of weight loss.
I believe that muscle burns fat, and that gaining a reasonable amount of
well toned muscle will eventually speed up metabolism to a certain degree
(I
am not being unrealistic though, I have a medium paced metabolism), and
that
in time I can kick some of this fat off.

I have a question.
In the first phase of Atkins, you are stuck at less than 30 grams of carbs
a
day.
A low carb diet is what the Suzanne sommers diet is based around, and I
hear
it really works, so how many carbs is "low carb".
Obviously you want to cut out the empty carbs like glucose-fructose and
white sugars, and replace them with complete complex sugars, but how many
carbs do you cut out?


Most of this has already been answered by others already. Just cut your
carbs until you find the amount that lets you get through the day and still
lose fat. I would also add that walnuts, pecans, almonds and sunflower seeds
are a very good supplement to a low carb diet, as long as you don't over-do
them.

**THUD**

**kitty has passed out from shock ....

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roger wrote:

Btw, it is not a lack of IQ, it is low IQ.

heh heh .. you sure that they aren't the same thing in some cases???

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On 9 Nov 2003 20:06:43 GMT, "Wayne S. Hill" wrote:

Vegetarian wrote:

JC Der Koenig wrote:
Look at your BMI. At 5'6" and 190, you are over 30, which
is categorized as obese.

And if he is at 12% bodyfat? Still obese?

Idiot.

I highly doubt that having this pile of useless, worthless
muscles is doing anything good for his health. Having a BMI
of 32 is bad. Being fat at BMI 32 is horrible, being
muscular at BMI 32 is not that great either.

References? Can you point to any peer-reviewed studies that
indicate that "excess" muscle mass raises health risk? BMI is
used as a simple-minded proxy for BF% because, in the broad
cross-section of society, people with high BMI have high BF.
It is an unwarranted leap to conclude that high BMI with low
BF% causes health risk.

Some dumbo bodybuilders think that by growing muscles, they
are doing themselves a favor. One needs to only look at
their IQ to realize that it is not the case and that they
are not benefitting.

Fascinating. Please describe the process by which you
conflated an interest in hypertropy with a lack of IQ.


He's troll bait, Wayne. Ignore.

"Qilt Kitty" wrote in message
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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

Couldn't he just remove the refined carbs in his diet and slowly
back
into it since the actual induction period is way to hard on
him??

of course he can.

Okay then what's the big deal??? Or am I missing something .. Rule
of
thumb .. for exercise and intake .. "LISTEN TO YOUR BODY"

Some people are so saturated with carbs physically, and steeped in the
'party line' aka the food pyramid, that they have stopped listening to
their bodies, if they ever knew how.

revek


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revek wrote:

Some people are so saturated with carbs physically, and steeped in the
'party line' aka the food pyramid, that they have stopped listening to
their bodies, if they ever knew how.

I rather like our inverted or negative food pyramid better.

True .. my boo

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In article ,
(The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

Thanks for the reply to this thread btw. you are being helpful, while so
many are just being goofy.

ARE YOU READING THIS, ASDL-C? YEAH, I'M TALKIN' TO YOU. SOMEONE FINDS
JC HELPFUL! HELPFUL, I SAY!

sorry to hijack your thread, Steven. carry on.

ps: atkins induction is 20 grams a day for two weeks, but there are ways
of eating low carb without following atkins. in fact, you don't need a
formal diet plan at all to eat low carb.



I often find JC helpful. Rude and crude, but helpful.

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In article ,
(Qilt Kitty) wrote:

revek wrote:

Yes that is a doable approach, but he wouldn't get any of the other
benefits of induction, namely almost imediate suppression of the
appetite, dropping a bunch of excess water, breaking carb addiction

I agree 100%, but if he can wean himself off whatever he is addicted to
to more tolerable levels, then he can do induction .. just an extra step
or four

I did the "weaning" thing. I used to eat pasta twice a day, usually skipped
breakfast. I didn't count carbs but I started by replacing one pasta meal a
day with a salad with grilled chicken, and then 2 or 3 weeks later I
replaced my other pasta meal with a low-carb option, such as steak and
brocolli, meat and cheese rollups, fish and creamed spinach, etc. I had
already stopped with the chips and candy many months before while trying to
do low-fat. I never did care much for cereal or sandwiches, so I didn't
have to eliminate those, just that darn pasta. I didn't really know
anything about Atkins when I started low-carbing, I was just trying to eat
foods that didn't make me so sleepy, and the weight loss was a surprise. I
never had that big loss from induction, but hey, 35-ish pounds gone since
May, fine by me.

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"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" wrote in message news:uuArb.35332$%Q5.11072@edtnps84...

Yeah, that is what I am starting to read from this thread.
As I said, the induction phase was hard on my PHYSICALLY. some people claim
that its a lack of discipline that keeps many away, but for me it was "I
think I am going to pass out, my hands are shaking" sort of problem.

I had a volleyball match during my first week. I thought I was going
to have a heart attack. here is this 37 y.o. 220 lb woman trying to
play 4 games of competitive volleyball with 20 somethings during
Induction and having an asthma attack. so between the diet and
albuterol which also reduces potassium, I thought I was going to die!
but I played and made it through and I have changed my life to become
better to the nth degree!!!!!! so it was worth it.
btw, my game has improved tremendously. it's amazing how much easier
it is to jump when you lose 75 lbs!
Lori
220/145/135
LC since 1/17/03
Nov Challenge 145/140
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