Questions About the Food Lists From South Beach Diet

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:33:46 +0200, "M.W. Smith"
wrote:

JC Der Koenig wrote:

If there's any doubt in your mind, then don't eat it. A real low carb diet
is simple: meat, eggs, and hard cheese, washed down with lots of water.

And a lot of fiber, either in pure form, or in high-fiber, low-glycemic
carbs like All Bran Plus. And water should be drunk all day long, not
just to wash down the protein and fat.

And, green, leafy veggies. Lots of vitamins, and minerals in the
greens. Okay, iceberg lettuce is mostly fiber and water, but
otherwise...

Karen Rodgers

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And where are your vegetables?? I bet you're one stopped up dude, maybe
that's why you're so grumpy LOL
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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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If there's any doubt in your mind, then don't eat it. A real low carb diet
is simple: meat, eggs, and hard cheese, washed down with lots of water.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Mickey Zalusky" wrote in message
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Hi. I've successfully been in Phase 1 of the South Beach Diet - 7.5
pounds so far but have a questions about the book's list of foods. The
Phase 1 recipes have ingredients in them that are not on the
corresponding "Foods to Enjoy" list. For Phase 1, Edamame, Avocado,
onions, radishes, tomatoes, black olives, almonds and sour cream and
blue cheese appear in recipes but are not listed in the food list. Are
these foods typically considered low-carb enough to be eaten in Phase 1?

Should my food be restricted to just what's listed in the Phase 1 food
list or should I add the extra foods found in the recipes to the list?

Thanks for any advice.
Mickey

"Mickey Zalusky" wrote in message
news
Hi. I've successfully been in Phase 1 of the South Beach Diet - 7.5
pounds so far but have a questions about the book's list of foods. The
Phase 1 recipes have ingredients in them that are not on the
corresponding "Foods to Enjoy" list. For Phase 1, Edamame, Avocado,
onions, radishes, tomatoes, black olives, almonds and sour cream and
blue cheese appear in recipes but are not listed in the food list.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:30:12 +0000, JC Der Koenig wrote:
If there's any doubt in your mind, then don't eat it. A real low carb diet
is simple: meat, eggs, and hard cheese,

And homemade mayonnaise* and olive oil and butter and garlic butter and
fried fish drenched with beurre blanc and sausage and curried chicken
and pulled pork North Carolina style and bbq brisket cauliflower hash.

washed down with lots of water.

And club soda with lemon and diet drinks and a fresh brewed cup of
high mountain Darjeeling with a shot of Devon double cream and chocolate
egg cream sodas and melba fizzes** and Poire Williams and Scotch.


Let me guess. Calvinist?

While I have a great deal of respect for people who maintain rigorous
courses of self-flagellation, I am unable to understand them.

Martin


*At least some commercial mayonnaises have lemon juice and sugar.
Make your own with vinegar, add lemon oil or extract for flavor
(consults PDA (I have the mother sauces on my PDA. I'm a *geek*cook)):

3 egg yolks
1 T vinegar
pinches salt, pepper, mustard
(up to) 1 1/2 C oil
dash lemon

Whip egg yolks with vinegar and spices.
Add oil drop by drop at first, then more quickly when it forms an
emulsion.

Sensible people do this sort of thing in a food processor,


**Melba fizz:
2 T (1 floz) Torani peach syrup
few drops raspberry flavoring (I use a raspberry soda mix I found at our
local brewing supply)
optional: few drops orange extract
1 pint seltzer


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DoD #236 BMWMOA #55952 SMTC #2 | Why are you cooking?
Portland, OR

I do tend towards a Calvinistic view when I set out to accomplish a goal,
but that really wasn't my point. The point was: if you don't know for sure,
don't stick it in your mouth. Kind of like when you engage in sex with your
boyfriend.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Martin Golding" wrote in message
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"Mickey Zalusky" wrote in message
news
Hi. I've successfully been in Phase 1 of the South Beach Diet - 7.5
pounds so far but have a questions about the book's list of foods. The
Phase 1 recipes have ingredients in them that are not on the
corresponding "Foods to Enjoy" list. For Phase 1, Edamame, Avocado,
onions, radishes, tomatoes, black olives, almonds and sour cream and
blue cheese appear in recipes but are not listed in the food list.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:30:12 +0000, JC Der Koenig wrote:
If there's any doubt in your mind, then don't eat it. A real low carb
diet
is simple: meat, eggs, and hard cheese,

And homemade mayonnaise* and olive oil and butter and garlic butter and
fried fish drenched with beurre blanc and sausage and curried chicken
and pulled pork North Carolina style and bbq brisket cauliflower hash.

washed down with lots of water.

And club soda with lemon and diet drinks and a fresh brewed cup of
high mountain Darjeeling with a shot of Devon double cream and chocolate
egg cream sodas and melba fizzes** and Poire Williams and Scotch.


Let me guess. Calvinist?

While I have a great deal of respect for people who maintain rigorous
courses of self-flagellation, I am unable to understand them.

Martin


*At least some commercial mayonnaises have lemon juice and sugar.
Make your own with vinegar, add lemon oil or extract for flavor
(consults PDA (I have the mother sauces on my PDA. I'm a *geek*cook)):

3 egg yolks
1 T vinegar
pinches salt, pepper, mustard
(up to) 1 1/2 C oil
dash lemon

Whip egg yolks with vinegar and spices.
Add oil drop by drop at first, then more quickly when it forms an
emulsion.

Sensible people do this sort of thing in a food processor,


**Melba fizz:
2 T (1 floz) Torani peach syrup
few drops raspberry flavoring (I use a raspberry soda mix I found at our
local brewing supply)
optional: few drops orange extract
1 pint seltzer


--
Martin Golding | You have a microwave.
DoD #236 BMWMOA #55952 SMTC #2 | Why are you cooking?
Portland, OR

Hi JC,
On 21-Sep-2003, "JC Der Koenig" wrote:
What's the carb count on All Bran Plus?

Martin wrote:
I can't remember. About 15-20.

JC wrote:
That's an excessive amount.

In the States we have "All Bran with Extra Fiber". It has 20 grams of
carb total, of which 13 are fiber. 50 cals a serving, 7 grams of
bioavailable carbs.
Stats for Kellogg's All Bran with Extra Fiber (US):
http://tinyurl.com/o4r6
Stats for All Bran Plus (UK site)
http://tinyurl.com/o4rk
Stats for All Bran Plus (Denmark site)
http://tinyurl.com/o4s4
The Norway site:
http://tinyurl.com/o4tw
You'll really have to dig, but according to the site the All Bran Plus
in Norway has 29 grams of fiber per 100 grams of cereal, like it does in
the UK. By way of contrast the US's All Bran with Extra Fiber has 50
grams of fiber per 100 grams of cereal (based upon the Nutrition Facts
info being given for a 26 g serving), and just under 200 calories per
100 grams.

Take care,
Carmen

Exercise helps to prevent constipation. Try it sometime.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"PieNtheSky32" wrote in message
...
And where are your vegetables?? I bet you're one stopped up dude, maybe
that's why you're so grumpy LOL
~*~Pie~*~
254/196.5/150

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
news
If there's any doubt in your mind, then don't eat it. A real low carb
diet
is simple: meat, eggs, and hard cheese, washed down with lots of water.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Mickey Zalusky" wrote in message
news
Hi. I've successfully been in Phase 1 of the South Beach Diet - 7.5
pounds so far but have a questions about the book's list of foods.
The
Phase 1 recipes have ingredients in them that are not on the
corresponding "Foods to Enjoy" list. For Phase 1, Edamame, Avocado,
onions, radishes, tomatoes, black olives, almonds and sour cream and
blue cheese appear in recipes but are not listed in the food list.
Are
these foods typically considered low-carb enough to be eaten in Phase
1?

Should my food be restricted to just what's listed in the Phase 1 food
list or should I add the extra foods found in the recipes to the list?

Thanks for any advice.
Mickey

Mickey Zalusky wrote:

Hi. I've successfully been in Phase 1 of the South Beach Diet - 7.5
pounds so far but have a questions about the book's list of foods. The
Phase 1 recipes have ingredients in them that are not on the
corresponding "Foods to Enjoy" list. For Phase 1, Edamame, Avocado,
onions, radishes, tomatoes, black olives, almonds and sour cream and
blue cheese appear in recipes but are not listed in the food list. Are
these foods typically considered low-carb enough to be eaten in Phase 1?

Should my food be restricted to just what's listed in the Phase 1 food
list or should I add the extra foods found in the recipes to the list?

Thanks for any advice.
Mickey

There is an updated food list that is available if you are a paid
subscriber on the site. I believe it incorporates the ingredients
in the recipes. (That book has some real inconsistencies! They
should have had me working for them!) South Beach's goal is not
to be low-carb, although Phase One, which seems to function like
the first stage of Atkins to wean you from your cravings etc.,
does eliminate most carbs. Agatston distinguishes between what he
calls good and bad carbs, which becomes apparent after Phase One.
--
Jean B., 12 miles west of Boston, Massachusetts, USA

I do, thanks

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
...
Exercise helps to prevent constipation. Try it sometime.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"PieNtheSky32" wrote in message
...
And where are your vegetables?? I bet you're one stopped up dude, maybe
that's why you're so grumpy LOL
~*~Pie~*~
254/196.5/150

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
news
If there's any doubt in your mind, then don't eat it. A real low carb
diet
is simple: meat, eggs, and hard cheese, washed down with lots of
water.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Mickey Zalusky" wrote in message
news Hi. I've successfully been in Phase 1 of the South Beach Diet - 7.5
pounds so far but have a questions about the book's list of foods.
The
Phase 1 recipes have ingredients in them that are not on the
corresponding "Foods to Enjoy" list. For Phase 1, Edamame, Avocado,
onions, radishes, tomatoes, black olives, almonds and sour cream and
blue cheese appear in recipes but are not listed in the food list.
Are
these foods typically considered low-carb enough to be eaten in
Phase
1?

Should my food be restricted to just what's listed in the Phase 1
food
list or should I add the extra foods found in the recipes to the
list?

Thanks for any advice.
Mickey

JC Der Koenig wrote:

That's an excessive amount.

Per 100 grams? I don't think so. How much All Bran Plus do you think you
need? It has about 20 grams of fiber in it. You can probably satisfy the
fiber need, at least as far as dealing with constipation goes, by eating
about 50 grams every three or four days. Slice a half a small banana on
top, and use enough skim milk to make it easy to swallow. Some people
use orange juice (unsweatened) instead of milk.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"M.W. Smith" wrote in message
...
JC Der Koenig wrote:

What's the carb count on All Bran Plus?

I can't remember. About 15-20.

martin

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www.AmericansForClark.com

Martin Smith

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Martin Smith

I agree that I wouldn't want any sweat in my orange juice.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"M.W. Smith" wrote in message
...
JC Der Koenig wrote:

That's an excessive amount.

Per 100 grams? I don't think so. How much All Bran Plus do you think you
need? It has about 20 grams of fiber in it. You can probably satisfy the
fiber need, at least as far as dealing with constipation goes, by eating
about 50 grams every three or four days. Slice a half a small banana on
top, and use enough skim milk to make it easy to swallow. Some people
use orange juice (unsweatened) instead of milk.

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"M.W. Smith" wrote in message
...
JC Der Koenig wrote:

What's the carb count on All Bran Plus?

I can't remember. About 15-20.

martin

--
Wesley Clark for President
www.AmericansForClark.com

Martin Smith

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Wesley Clark for President
www.AmericansForClark.com

Martin Smith