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Stacey Bender wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: Good point but it still misses something. Folks can and do find ways to keep their loss off. Very few. That depends on the method. It's interesting when our schools fail to graduate a large percentage of students we want to change the schools to be more effective. We don't say the students should be able to graduate no matter how bad the schools are. Yet for weight, no matter hard it is for someone to lose weight it's their fault and their fault alone. Many folks blame the diets and so there are literally more than 1000 diets out there. We don't think about how to improve the entire system to help people, which is really what needs to happen for masses of people to change. Talking about individual successes is interesting, but in every other case we call that ancedotal evidence. Diets do not work for the "masses of people to change." Ways that don't drop metabolism and also that don't trigger appetite. The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating. Actually, when someone truly loses appetite (anorexia) it becomes very difficult (and sometime impossible) to get that someone to eat. The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for encouraging eating. As for the diet, people don't stay on diets in general? Why is that? It's rooted in our biology. "Variety is the spice of life." Diets reduce the variety in the food people eat. Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach does not do this and so folks can see themselves using this method lifelong. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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In alt.support.diabetes Doug Freese wrote:
: "wendy" wrote in message : ... : GaryG wrote: : So, we should all just give up then? Look for help through drugs and : surgery? : : Neither of which work either. I didn't say give up. But you also have : to have a realistic idea of what your are trying to accomplish. : : A wise person once said, "If you think you can, or you think you : can't...you : are correct." : : I think i can fly by flapping my arms. I must be correct. : All your logic on htis topic suggests you are flapping your wings. No, : wait, that would be a form a exercise and a way balance one's caloric : intake. You are correct there are other factors that tug you in the : wrong direction and mostly self control. Eat a bit less(especially **** : sugar crap), exercise a bit more and you will slim down slowly but : steady. The science to lose weight is simple, take in less than you : need. The rest is willpower and only YOU can decide what quality of life : you want. : -DF I lost some 64 pounds about 18 years ago when first diagnosed. I have held it off pretty consistntly since, with one interlude whan about 20 pounds came back on, but i was able to relose them. what bothers me now is that with a creful diet of moderate carbs-60-100 per day- and controlled "good" fats, I am unable to loose more weight which I would like to do. Unfortunately, my sciatica prevents me from doing much exercise on my feet, like walking, treadmill, step machine, eliptical machine, etc. I do know htat if I were not watching muy carbs and ft, not oly would I have high BGs but would gain weight again. Fortunately, either through age (69) or just getting accustomed to it, my appetite is not so crazy as it was many years ago. Smaller amounts seem to content me. Wendy (Plese don't confuse me with the other Wendy posting on this bunch of groups. I am a regular on asd) |
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In alt.support.diabetes Beverly wrote:
: "wendy" wrote in message : ... : GaryG wrote: : You seem to be a very negative person...specifically, a "toxic : personality". : : I see the light. Wishing makes it so. Picture me tossing rose buds in : the air. It's not negative to try and figure out what really is going on : without resorting to the brainless eat-less mantra. : : Do you ever get referred to as "Whiny Wendy"? : : Only when i fart. : : That would be "Windy Wendy" : The eat-less mantra seems to work for all who have been successful in their : weightloss efforts. It even works for those of us who have a few minor road : blocks in our path - such as menopause, limited ability to exercise, etc. I found hta when I first started to try to diet and loose weigh seriously I changed the proportions of my meals, but ate much the same quantity o the plate. I woudl take a modest portion of meat or fish, a small carb serving and lots of low carb veggies, like succhini, spinach, green beans, etc. this enabled me to eat the sme meals as my family an still loose. As wight came down, I found I could do with a bit less quantity. I found that feeling nice and full a few times a day helped keep me on the new eating plan. It is the feeling of deprivation and humger that defeats us. Wendy(the one from asd who just recently posted on this thred for the first time) |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:17:40 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
wrote: Wendy (Plese don't confuse me with the other Wendy posting on this bunch of groups. I am a regular on asd) Never:-)) Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Ignoramus21798 wrote: snip It all depends on how much you want it. Numerous people lose weight and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible. More than 625,550 people for more than 5 years without regain: Make the 625,549. I hear that nice Mrs. Hadermeyer fell off the wagon at her 50-year high school reunion. She muttered your name and crossed herself as she grabbed for the big piece of cake with the '5' on it. Dan 325/189/190 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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Daniel Hoffmeister wrote:
In alt.support.diet.low-carb Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: Ignoramus21798 wrote: snip It all depends on how much you want it. Numerous people lose weight and keep it off, not without difficulties. It is not impossible. More than 625,550 people for more than 5 years without regain: Make the 625,549. I hear that nice Mrs. Hadermeyer fell off the wagon at her 50-year high school reunion. She muttered your name and crossed herself as she grabbed for the big piece of cake with the '5' on it. In truth, a 67-68 year old Mrs. Hadermeyer is not in my database so the number remains more than 625,550. Sorry if this causes you any consternation. You will be in my prayers, dear Dan whom I love, in Lord Jesus' holy name. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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"W. Baker" wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes Beverly wrote: : "wendy" wrote in message : ... : GaryG wrote: : You seem to be a very negative person...specifically, a "toxic : personality". : : I see the light. Wishing makes it so. Picture me tossing rose buds in : the air. It's not negative to try and figure out what really is going on : without resorting to the brainless eat-less mantra. : : Do you ever get referred to as "Whiny Wendy"? : : Only when i fart. : : That would be "Windy Wendy" : The eat-less mantra seems to work for all who have been successful in their : weightloss efforts. It even works for those of us who have a few minor road : blocks in our path - such as menopause, limited ability to exercise, etc. I found hta when I first started to try to diet and loose weigh seriously I changed the proportions of my meals, but ate much the same quantity o the plate. I woudl take a modest portion of meat or fish, a small carb serving and lots of low carb veggies, like succhini, spinach, green beans, etc. this enabled me to eat the sme meals as my family an still loose. As wight came down, I found I could do with a bit less quantity. I found that feeling nice and full a few times a day helped keep me on the new eating plan. It is the feeling of deprivation and humger that defeats us. .... unless you choose to befriend hunger. "If you can't beat them... join them." At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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"Stacey Bender" wrote in message ... The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating. The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for encouraging eating. Wanna bet the number of people that have this problem is .0000001? This rationale reminds me of years back when every overweight person had gland problems. It became the excuse not the reason. I won't say that self control is not difficult to control but let's not point at the obesity running rampant as some uncontrollable psychological malfunction. Want to have some fun and see reality, spend a day or some hours at a checkout counter in a food store. Note carts with the heavy people dragging the heavy kids - chips, dips, cookies, etc. Fruits and vegetables are minimal if not totally missing. It's **** poor eating in combination of too many calories!! As for the diet, people don't stay on diets in general? Why is that? It's rooted in our biology. It's more because we have so damn many fad diets that who the hell knows what diet is really correct? Even the fad diets(and yes this includes that asinine Atkins) will get you lose weight but sad to say they do not teach you how to eat correctly so bingo, as soon as you attempt to return to "normal" eating you're screwed(so to speak). As soon as you dub your eating at a "diet" and not eating properly you are doomed to fail. -DF |
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Doug Freese wrote:
The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating. The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for encouraging eating. Wanna bet the number of people that have this problem is .0000001? It's not a problem. It's just the architecture of how we work. There is no disorder involved. It is a sensible and understandable design as well. The more obese a person was the fewer dopamine receptors they were found to have, for example. This rationale reminds me of years back when every overweight person had gland problems. You might want to take a look at the research and our physiology rather than just making depricating and unwarranted analogies. * http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-bra110404.php * http://www.sciencentral.com/articles...e_id=218392412 * http://cms.psychologytoday.com/artic...11-000001.html It's more because we have so damn many fad diets that who the hell knows what diet is really correct? Humans don't have a particular diet. We are able to survive on a very broad range of foods. So the diet doesn't matter. It's being required to stay on it that's the failure point. |
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Doug Freese wrote:
"Stacey Bender" wrote in message ... The problem is appetite isn't the only mechanism that triggers eating. The dopamine reward system is another largely independent system for encouraging eating. Wanna bet the number of people that have this problem is .0000001? This rationale reminds me of years back when every overweight person had gland problems. It became the excuse not the reason. I won't say that self control is not difficult to control but let's not point at the obesity running rampant as some uncontrollable psychological malfunction. Want to have some fun and see reality, spend a day or some hours at a checkout counter in a food store. Note carts with the heavy people dragging the heavy kids - chips, dips, cookies, etc. Fruits and vegetables are minimal if not totally missing. It's **** poor eating in combination of too many calories!! As for the diet, people don't stay on diets in general? Why is that? It's rooted in our biology. It's more because we have so damn many fad diets that who the hell knows what diet is really correct? All the studies indicate that none help folks achieve lasting weight loss that is clinically significant. On the other hand, there is this simple lifestyle change that has helped more than 625,550 people achieve weight loss over a period of more than 5 years without regain: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 |
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