lowering of metabolism after weight loss

Ignoramus31693 wrote:

All of us who used to be fat, became fat for good reasons.

Not really. It's the easiest thing in the world to become fat. Trivial
in fact because your system wants you to be fat. Being skinny in our
environment is what is unnatural. Desireable, but unnatural never-the-less.


Note also that these obstacles that you mention, are not at all well
understood. What should a fat, practical person do, wait until science
completely clarifies all human body issues? That would not be
sensible. Eating less, in some fashion, is more sensible.

At work has anyone said work smarter not harder to you? That's as
effective as saying eat less.

"wendy" wrote in message
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GaryG wrote:

It's "magic" to be able to cut back on food portions and stop eating
crap?

Wow...that truly is a failure-oriented mindset. If you really think
it's
magic,

Failure-oriented mind set is motivational clap trap. You are like those
think and grow rich hucksters. Amp up the rah rahs enough and it will
just happen.

Whatever...but, in my experience people who overcome obstacles and achieve
success in life are not the whiners who are busy looking for every excuse to
explain why they can't succeed.


then just give up now...you'll never be successful with that
attitude.

As i have been successfull you must be wrong.

So, since this is a support group, would you care to enlighten us as to how
you succeeded?

Please provide the standard data points: starting weight, starting date,
current weight, etc., along with the details of how you achieved your
success.

GG

Beverly wrote:

You seem to be making excuses for not losing weight.

Seems to be a common opinion. I guess it's the easiest. As I have lost
weight i don't need to make excuses.

I think you'll find in
real life people who are successful don't look for obstacles, they look for
ways to obtain the results they desire.

So for cancer is it an obsticle to look at the causes for cancer and the
solution to get rid of it? Or should I just have a desire to get rid of
cancer?

GaryG wrote:

Whatever...but, in my experience people who overcome obstacles and achieve
success in life are not the whiners who are busy looking for every excuse to
explain why they can't succeed.

In my experience people who succeed to spout platitudes and they
actually use their brain to figure out what is going on and the best way
to handle a problem.

So, since this is a support group, would you care to enlighten us as to how
you succeeded?

I just ate less. Doesn't that tell you a lot?


Please provide the standard data points: starting weight, starting date,
current weight, etc., along with the details of how you achieved your
success.

It was easy. I just wished less. I just had a postive attitude. There
were no real obsticles. It just worked like magic.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:13:45 -0400, blash Huffed
and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD announces again:

I have written that there are **more** than 625,550 people with **more**
than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER Approach. All have **not**
regained what they have lost in weight.

I'm sure Chung will be glad to provide a "believable" link to substantiate
this ridiculous statement...........
However, it "could" be true if they're all dead........


The dates don't support his claims.

"wendy" wrote in message
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GaryG wrote:
The rate of obesity is skyrocketing...are you saying that's due to
genetics?
Why were so few people obese 50 years ago?

We are genetically programmed to eat like crazy because that's what is
required to survive. Eating is an organisms number one job, even before
reproduction, and we have lot of overlapping mechanisms to keep us eating
and few to stop eating.

The reason you want to eat is genetic. In the past food was not highly
available so this made a lot of sense. In a scarce food environment you
need a strong drive to eat. Otherwise would you eat? Not really. No more
than you take out the garbage regularly. What stops you from eating? Very
little and for good reason. Can you imagine having a fresh kill and saying
no thanks, i'll wait a week for the next one? Can you imagine have a big
haunch of deer and saying i don't feel like finishing it when you know
your next meal could be in another 3 days? It's not really rational to
expect our biology to work in a world of plenty when it was "designed" for
a world of scarcity.

We also have no instinct to exercise. It's the reverse because it not
exercising wasn't an option. Hunter-gathers walked something like 6-12
miles a day. What we wanted to do was conserve energy. So when we don't
have to do anything we don't.

Now add in that 100 calories extra a day is 10 extra pounds a year. Over
10 years that's 100 pounds. So it takes very little extra for us to become
obese.

This doesn't happen because as you gain weight your BMR increases and so
does the caloric requirement for activity. After gaining the first10 lbs the
extra 100 cals/day will no longer be extra, you'll be at maintenance. You'll
have to keep increasing your food intake to keep on gaining weight, if it
wasn't so most of us would weigh around 400 lbs by the time we turn 50!

50 years ago we simply didn't have the availability of high caloric
density food and we didn't have a drive everywhere do nothing culture.

50 yrs is a very short time. Our bodies are programmed to live like our
ancestors did many thousands of years ago, before they settled down &
started farming. It is very possible that obesity existed even in ancient
times, very likely to have existed in ancient Greece & Rome as well as in
the Middle Ages, although obviously not amongst the lower socio-economic
classes.

High calorie food is not a new thing, in fact, availability of fresh food
(meat, fish, dairy, fruit & veg), a lot of it low cal, has increased over
the past 100 yrs or so, with refrigeration, modern transport & advanced
agriculture. In the old days, people wouldn't have had any fresh produce
during the winter months, not outside the tropical latitudes. It is
significant that virtuall all tropical countries are still Third World
countries, maybe the seasonal scarcity of food in temperate countries made
people more resourceful.

McDonalds had a goal of making a store available to everyone in the world
in under 5 minutes.

The tide is turning though and these days many people shun McDonalds & the
likes of it. In many places their main client base is under 18 yrs old.

We will never return to the lifestyle of the hunter-gatherer and neither
will we give up on the convenience of readily available food. It's a game of
demand'n'supply. The answer is to have more healthy, lower cal food nicely
presented & packaged & agressively marketed instead of junk, this way demand
will increase & companies will keep promoting it. New generations will be
brought up on Big Salads rather than Big Macs. There's no point in saying
you can take your own boiled eggs and carrot sticks to work, or buy an apple
whenever you're hungry, you know that's not enough to tempt most people
against from the other stuff. Maybe there's a business opportunity to be
unleashed....

"wendy" wrote in message
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Beverly wrote:

You seem to be making excuses for not losing weight.

Seems to be a common opinion. I guess it's the easiest.

That's because this is not a usenet group for psychics. Absolutely nothing
you've said to date would lead a reasonable person to believe otherwise.

As I have lost weight i don't need to make excuses.

Then what is the point of your incessantly whiny excuse-making posting?
Regardless of whether someone agrees or disagrees with you, you feel the
need to continue arguing your point. Yes, ok, for some people losing weight
is a major challenge and keeping it off is difficult - you've gotten plenty
of concurrence on that. People got dealt a crappy genetic card. I'm a
poster child for physical issues that have interfered with weight loss. I
know I have to work harder at it than the majority of people just to be at a
weight that isn't even ideal. **** happens. That doesn't mean I have to go
back to being over 300 lbs again. Get over it. There are people out there
with much worse issues in their lives than having to be dilligent about
their food intake and exercise.

I think you'll find in
real life people who are successful don't look for obstacles, they look
for
ways to obtain the results they desire.

So for cancer is it an obsticle to look at the causes for cancer and the
solution to get rid of it? Or should I just have a desire to get rid of
cancer?

Personally, I'd worry about getting rid of the cancer. Cancer is not as
preventable as obesity is. If I'm genetically destined to get breast cancer
I can do things to keep myself healthy (exercise, manage weight, don't
smoke, etc.) but it's not going to guarantee I don't end up with it some
day. Unless you have Prader-Willi syndrome, obesity is usually preventable
regardless of what ridiculous non sequitors you throw out there.
--
the volleyballchick

"wendy" wrote in message
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Ignoramus31693 wrote:

All of us who used to be fat, became fat for good reasons.

Not really. It's the easiest thing in the world to become fat.

May be for *some* people but not *all*. Maybe this is where those genetics
do come in. Some people just *can't* eat more. I know this for a fact, my
mum being one of them people.

Trivial in fact because your system wants you to be fat. Being skinny in
our environment is what is unnatural. Desireable, but unnatural
never-the-less.

Being skinny does come naturally to some people. I believe it was
super-model Twiggy who started the skinny trend in the 60s, I also believe
she was naturally thin, she didn't starve herself since it hadn't yet become
fashionable to be that thin. Desirable in those days meant curvaceous like
Marilyn Monroe.

wendy wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Decreasing intake down to the **right** amount does work every time for
helping folks achieve lasting weight loss:

That's the same for any diet. If you could stay on any diet that would
work. But people don't stay on a diet. And I know, your approach isn't a
diet.

Only in writing that the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet are you
correct.

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Polar Light wrote:
"wendy" wrote in message
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Ignoramus31693 wrote:

All of us who used to be fat, became fat for good reasons.

Not really. It's the easiest thing in the world to become fat.

May be for *some* people but not *all*. Maybe this is where those
genetics
do come in. Some people just *can't* eat more. I know this for a
fact, my
mum being one of them people.

Trivial in fact because your system wants you to be fat. Being
skinny in
our environment is what is unnatural. Desireable, but unnatural
never-the-less.

Being skinny does come naturally to some people. I believe it was
super-model Twiggy who started the skinny trend in the 60s, I also
believe
she was naturally thin, she didn't starve herself since it hadn't yet
become
fashionable to be that thin. Desirable in those days meant curvaceous
like
Marilyn Monroe.


Interesting twist on what I've learned about that time period. It was
already popular to be anorexic thin in the artist communities of New
York and London.

Remember, uppers were quite popular with the "In" crowd. Read "Edie"
the biography about Edith Sedgewick, one of Andy Warhol's followers and
also a model. They did drugs all the time, and I mean, ALL THE TIME.
They hardly ate, as most of the model/artist world skipped eating,
uppers made it easy. And downers helped them sleep.

It was then, as it is now in the model/artist world, vitally important
to be as thin as possible without dying. Too bad Edie and many like her
did die because of drugs.

Martha