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Old January 27th, 2004, 01:42 PM
carla
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marengo wrote in message
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"Ignoramus18248" wrote in message
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| Never eat junk food period. I find it disgusting that Atkins got into
| junk food peddling. What a shame.
|
Please add IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) to statements that are just your
opinion and not n, thanks. It's proper netiquette.

It's also redundant. One's default assumption should always be that
anything posted is opinion. Any alternative is just too disturbing to
contemplate. (Who would treat something as absolute truth merely because
it lacks a goofy "IMHO" tag?)

On the topic, there's been a great deal of discussion here (some of which I
am sure you've seen) about the extent to which sugar alcohols spike blood
sugar. While I don't share Ignoramus's draconian (and authoritarian and
downright nosy) attitudes about what other people should eat, I have been
afraid to try any products with sugar alcohols. Having read repeatedly that
they can do one or more of the following (1) cause diarrhea, (2) be
metabolized just like carbs, (3) cause cravings, (4) raise blood sugar, it
hasn't been hard for me to stay away from them. I'm sorry you had a bad
experience with the ice cream, but fortunately for me your data point
provides me another reason to stay away from them.

carla


  #12  
Old January 27th, 2004, 03:14 PM
Roger Zoul
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Ignoramus14140 wrote:
:: In article , carla
:: wrote:
:::
::: marengo wrote in message
::: s.com...
:::: "Ignoramus18248" wrote in
:::: message ...
::::: Never eat junk food period. I find it disgusting that Atkins got
::::: into junk food peddling. What a shame.
:::::
:::: Please add IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) to statements that are just
:::: your opinion and not n, thanks. It's proper netiquette.
::::
::: It's also redundant. One's default assumption should always be that
::: anything posted is opinion. Any alternative is just too disturbing
::: to contemplate. (Who would treat something as absolute truth
::: merely because it lacks a goofy "IMHO" tag?)
:::
::: On the topic, there's been a great deal of discussion here (some of
::: which I am sure you've seen) about the extent to which sugar
::: alcohols spike blood sugar. While I don't share Ignoramus's
::: draconian (and authoritarian and downright nosy) attitudes about
::: what other people should eat, I have been afraid to try any
::: products with sugar alcohols. Having read repeatedly that
::
:: Carla, while I respect your opinion, how is not eating junk food
:: draconian? I eat (and approve of) the entire universe of foods, sans
:: junk food and sugar. That's hardly draconian, it is simply
:: common sense.
::

Telling someone "Never eat junk food period." is draconian. The fact that
you don't is your choice, but suggesting that you know what's best for
someone else and then stating it as you do is enough to make you appear as a
complete asshole, imo.

:: Given, some people may need to limit, say, pasta or potatoes, as I
:: do,
:: but it is a legitimate choice. Eating pasta and potatoes may be
:: healthful for some people at some points. Whereas junk food always
:: has negative value for everyone and is never healthful.

Prove this last statement. I would agree that a diet containing too much
"junk" food is unhealthful, but a single item of junk food does not cause
loss of health. However, anything done in excess will be unhealthy.

::
:: This is a diet newsgroup. This means that opinions as to the value of
:: foods are on topic and hardly nosy.

"Never eat junk food period." It sounds like a commandment to me, not an
opinion or even a helpful suggestion.

::
::: they can do one or more of the following (1) cause diarrhea, (2) be
::: metabolized just like carbs,
::
:: because they ARE carbs!
::
::: (3) cause cravings, (4) raise blood sugar, it
::: hasn't been hard for me to stay away from them. I'm sorry you had
::: a bad experience with the ice cream, but fortunately for me your
::: data point provides me another reason to stay away from them.
::
:: Well, that's a good thing.
::
:: i
:: 223/173/180


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Old January 27th, 2004, 03:49 PM
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Peter,

Bingo. You just experienced the exact same reaction that has gotten me
warning people about the sugar alcohols (and taking a huge amount of abuse
from people who don't seem to have the same reaction.).

I have had the exact same reaction to sugar alcohols even when I couldn't
catch a spike with my meter, though occasionally I have caught a spike at an
unexpected time (2 1/2 hrs, say)

Did you check your blood sugar, btw, to see if you were spiking steeply at
an odd time?


-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.2.
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marengo wrote in message
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I saw the "Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream" for the first time today in

my
local grocery store. Although t was expensive, and I knew from other

posts
here that the box contained just four 1/2-cup individual servings (I liked
that idea), I decided to buy a box of the Vanilla and try it.

One individual 1/2 cup serving is advertised on the box as 4g net carbs

and
130 calories. It's sweetened with Splenda, sorbitol and polydextose..

I ate one after dinner, and it was surprisingly good; it had the texture

and
close to the taste of "real" ice cream. Apparently too good. About 20
minutes later I started having spowerful sugar-type cravings that I hadn't
experienced in a long time. I went to the freezer and ate another one.

I
gave the other two to my non-low-carbing sister so I wouldn't be tempted

by
them. Fifteen minutes later I was ready to fight her for them like a

crack
addict who gave away his last rock.

The botom line is, while the Atkins Endulge Premium Ice Cream is delicious
as well as sensibly portioned, I will never eat it again. I have never
eaten anything else that is "low-carb" that has given me such powerful
cravings. If someone else can just eat one serving without these cravings,
more power to you; I'll be happy for you. But unfortunately, they're
definitely not for me.

I'm not quite sure which ingredient caused the cravings, but I know I have
to avoid it in the future. Back to my plain meat and vegetables, and
occassional sugar-free popsicle (I can eat just one of those with no
trouble!)

--
Peter
http://users.thelink.net/marengo




  #14  
Old January 27th, 2004, 04:03 PM
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"carla" wrote in message
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|
(Who would treat something as absolute truth merely because
| it lacks a goofy "IMHO" tag?)
|

Newbies, unfortunately

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Old January 27th, 2004, 04:27 PM
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Ignoramus14140 wrote:
:: In article , Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Ignoramus14140 wrote:
::::: In article , carla
::::: wrote:
::::::
:::::: marengo wrote in message
:::::: s.com...
::::::: "Ignoramus18248" wrote in
::::::: message ...
:::::::: Never eat junk food period. I find it disgusting that Atkins
:::::::: got into junk food peddling. What a shame.
::::::::
::::::: Please add IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) to statements that are
::::::: just your opinion and not n, thanks. It's proper netiquette.
:::::::
:::::: It's also redundant. One's default assumption should always be
:::::: that anything posted is opinion. Any alternative is just too
:::::: disturbing to contemplate. (Who would treat something as
:::::: absolute truth merely because it lacks a goofy "IMHO" tag?)
::::::
:::::: On the topic, there's been a great deal of discussion here (some
:::::: of which I am sure you've seen) about the extent to which sugar
:::::: alcohols spike blood sugar. While I don't share Ignoramus's
:::::: draconian (and authoritarian and downright nosy) attitudes about
:::::: what other people should eat, I have been afraid to try any
:::::: products with sugar alcohols. Having read repeatedly that
:::::
::::: Carla, while I respect your opinion, how is not eating junk food
::::: draconian? I eat (and approve of) the entire universe of foods,
::::: sans junk food and sugar. That's hardly draconian, it is simply
::::: common sense.
:::::
:::
::: Telling someone "Never eat junk food period." is draconian. The
::: fact that you don't is your choice, but suggesting that you know
::: what's best for someone else and then stating it as you do is enough
::: to make you appear as a complete asshole, imo.
::
:: I think that encouraging junk food eating makes one come out as a
:: complete asshole... Talk about differences in perspective.

Who is encouraging junk food? People make their own choices about what they
eat. They don't need commandments from you.

::
::::: Given, some people may need to limit, say, pasta or potatoes, as I
::::: do,
::::: but it is a legitimate choice. Eating pasta and potatoes may be
::::: healthful for some people at some points. Whereas junk food always
::::: has negative value for everyone and is never healthful.
:::
::: Prove this last statement. I would agree that a diet containing too
::: much "junk" food is unhealthful, but a single item of junk food does
::: not cause loss of health. However, anything done in excess will be
::: unhealthy.
::
:: Try substituting "cgigarettes" for "junk food", for more clarity.
::

For what? Food is food...what does smoking have to do with this?

Why didn't you just say "Never jump out in front of a speeding car."

Geez.

:: Does one cigarette cause loss of health? Hardly. What's the big deal?
::
:: Is it a good idea to smoke one cigarette? Not really. Even one
:: sigarette does a very tiny amount of damage. Small, but real
:: damage. While one could "enjoy cigarettes in moderation", say smoke
:: one cigarette per month, that's not what happens in reality.
::
:: Same is with junk food.

According to you. This is merely your opinion, nothing else.

::
:: Consider this Atkins Endulge chocolate bar:
::
:: ### Atkins Endulge Chocolate Crunch Candy Bar Here's a sweet reward
:: for ### all your healthy eating! Atkins Endulge Chocolate Candy
:: Crunch Bars ### are rich and wonderful, satisfying your chocolate
:: cravings without all ### the sugar, hydrogenated oils and trans fats
:: of store-bought candy ### bars.
:: ###
:: ### Nutrition Facts
:: ### Atkins Endulge Chocolate Crunch Candy Bar
:: ### Serving Size: a bar (30g)
:: ### Total Servings: 15
:: ###
:: ### Net Carbs: 2 grams
:: ### Amount Per Serving:
:: ### Calories: 150
:: ### Calories from fat: 110
:: ### Total Fat 12 g
:: ### Saturated Fat 7 g
:: ### Cholesterol 5 mg
:: ### Sodium 5 mg
:: ### Total Carbohydrate 2 g
:: ### Dietary Fiber 3 g
:: ### Sugars 0 g
:: ### Protein 3 g
:: ###
:: ### Product Info: This rich delicious taste of this chocolate should
:: be ### enjoyed responsibly. Please don't over indulge. Excessive
:: consumption ### may cause a laxative effect. While no sugar is added
:: to the product, ### we added maltitol (sugar alcohol), because it
:: adds sweetness & bulk, ### but unlike sugar maltitol with its
:: limited absorption has been show to ### have no noted impact on
:: blood sugar. Includes 15 bars per box.

And?

::
::
:: Just how valuable is this product? It has zero value.

According to you. Fortunately, you don't get to decide how others enjoy
living.

But it
:: displaces foods that are needed for a dieter with a limited amount
:: of food that
:: can be eaten per day.

I won't disagree with that, but dieters need to think long term. That
product may have value to them. You, however, are not the authority on
whether it does or does not.

::
:::::
::::: This is a diet newsgroup. This means that opinions as to the
::::: value of foods are on topic and hardly nosy.
:::
::: "Never eat junk food period." It sounds like a commandment to me,
::: not an opinion or even a helpful suggestion.
::
:: It is very helpful. Just as suggesting to never smoke.

Learn the difference between a suggestion and a commandment. Do you honestly
think Peter needs you to command to him that he "never eat junk food
period." Do you think he'll pay any attention to you?

You just amaze me.


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Old January 27th, 2004, 05:08 PM
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"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
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| Learn the difference between a suggestion and a commandment. Do you
honestly
| think Peter needs you to command to him that he "never eat junk food
| period." Do you think he'll pay any attention to you?
|
| You just amaze me.
|
The ironic thing is that I have just lost 30 (yes, now thirty!) pounds in
the past six weeks - since December 15th. I would love to see Ignoramus'
weight loss for the same period. It's amusing to me that he's telling me
how and what to eat.

It's unfortunate that he expresses himself so caustically and arrogantly. I
think that he probably has the same basic ideas about eating that most of us
do; he's just annoying in the way he presents his ideas. I agree with him
that we shouldn't make a steady diet of just junk food, however, he is wrong
in making a blanket statement that seemingly should apply to all people all
the time. We are not lower animals, like dogs, who can happily eat nothing
but the same dog food day in and day out. We need a variety in our diets
and occassionally enjoy something pleasurable.

If he purposely denies himself occassionally eating something pleasurable
for religious reasons (like a monk, perhaps) , that's different. But even a
monk wouldn't be so presumptuous as to think that his austere standards
should apply to all people.

I hardly think that my merely trying a very reasonable portion of food (1/2
cup) that is made of mostly cream (one of my allowed foods), and has 130
calories and 4g of carbs warranted his ridicuous commandment to "never eat
junk food!" The word "hyperbole" comes to mind.

The saddest thing is that he ignored the entire point of my post -- which
was that after trying the Endulge ice cream I realized that I cannot eat it
for reasons that I stated. I thought that I posted my experience in a way
that might contain information helpful to someone else -- which is the
purpose of this NG. There was no need or at all for him to make a universal
proclamation with no data, empirical evidence or even personal experience to
back up his claim.
-
Peter
http://users.thelink.net/marengo


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Old January 27th, 2004, 05:22 PM
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In article ,
Ignoramus14140 wrote:



Given, some people may need to limit, say, pasta or potatoes, as I do,
but it is a legitimate choice. Eating pasta and potatoes may be
healthful for some people at some points. Whereas junk food always has
negative value for everyone and is never healthful.


That's not entirely true. Chocolate, especially dark chocolate, has some
health benefits.

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  #18  
Old January 27th, 2004, 06:35 PM
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:22:16 GMT, Luna
wrote:

In article ,
Ignoramus14140 wrote:



Given, some people may need to limit, say, pasta or potatoes, as I do,
but it is a legitimate choice. Eating pasta and potatoes may be
healthful for some people at some points. Whereas junk food always has
negative value for everyone and is never healthful.


That's not entirely true. Chocolate, especially dark chocolate, has some
health benefits.


Then, by your definition, Chocolate is NOT junkfood.
PJ

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Old January 27th, 2004, 07:04 PM
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Ignoramus14140 wrote:
:: In article , PJx wrote:
::: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:22:16 GMT, Luna
::: wrote:
:::
:::: In article ,
:::: Ignoramus14140 wrote:
::::
::::
:::::
::::: Given, some people may need to limit, say, pasta or potatoes, as
::::: I do, but it is a legitimate choice. Eating pasta and potatoes
::::: may be healthful for some people at some points. Whereas junk
::::: food always has negative value for everyone and is never
::::: healthful.
:::::
::::
:::: That's not entirely true. Chocolate, especially dark chocolate,
:::: has some health benefits.
:::
::: Then, by your definition, Chocolate is NOT junkfood.
::: PJ
:::
::
:: check this out
::
:: http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s047y.html
::
:: and let me know how many health benefits can be derived from this
:: food...

It provides fiber, protein, other nutrients, and energy to the human body.
It's not posionous and can bring pleasure and help sustain human function.
When used properly and without abuse, it is a useful food.


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Old January 27th, 2004, 07:24 PM
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Here's something some Cornell U folks say about cocoa containing
more antioxidants than red wine.
http://www.chocolate.org/health/antioxidants.html
PJ





On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:04:28 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

Ignoramus14140 wrote:
:: In article , PJx wrote:
::: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:22:16 GMT, Luna
::: wrote:
:::
:::: In article ,
:::: Ignoramus14140 wrote:
::::
::::
:::::
::::: Given, some people may need to limit, say, pasta or potatoes, as
::::: I do, but it is a legitimate choice. Eating pasta and potatoes
::::: may be healthful for some people at some points. Whereas junk
::::: food always has negative value for everyone and is never
::::: healthful.
:::::
::::
:::: That's not entirely true. Chocolate, especially dark chocolate,
:::: has some health benefits.
:::
::: Then, by your definition, Chocolate is NOT junkfood.
::: PJ
:::
::
:: check this out
::
:: http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s047y.html
::
:: and let me know how many health benefits can be derived from this
:: food...

It provides fiber, protein, other nutrients, and energy to the human body.
It's not posionous and can bring pleasure and help sustain human function.
When used properly and without abuse, it is a useful food.


 




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