NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:34:47 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:03:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:08:45 -0800, Fred wrote:


I was down today, will see if it continues in that mode or not. The house is
loaded back up with fruit, as well as preportioned treats/desserts - and it
appears I have no external social events this coming week. All of this really
helps! Yes, we can do it and I believe we will do it.

Well, day-to-day change drove me crazy last week. Down again, today
here, too. But tonight's sushi may have been a bit too much - more
than what I usually do - including broiled salmon skin rolls - good
fish oils but oils, nonetheless.

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose, at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say, LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken, fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner. And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say ... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

But it sounds like you have gotten a handle on things for the moment

Key words ... for the moment.

Joyce

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:34:09 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:34:47 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:03:40 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:08:45 -0800, Fred wrote:


I was down today, will see if it continues in that mode or not. The house is
loaded back up with fruit, as well as preportioned treats/desserts - and it
appears I have no external social events this coming week. All of this really
helps! Yes, we can do it and I believe we will do it.

Well, day-to-day change drove me crazy last week. Down again, today
here, too. But tonight's sushi may have been a bit too much - more
than what I usually do - including broiled salmon skin rolls - good
fish oils but oils, nonetheless.

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose, at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say, LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken, fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner. And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say ... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

But it sounds like you have gotten a handle on things for the moment

Key words ... for the moment.

I was going to UPPERCASE them but you did it.

Joyce

"Joyce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:10:45 GMT, "Laura" wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:32:39 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:05:51 -0800, Fred
wrote:

And we are now in the frozen mode also. Friday nite we were hit
with
an
ice storm
of sorts, over an inch of ice on the vehicles, roads were
horrendous.
Temps are
supposed to dip again today. I'm staying in.

It's been miserable here too (NJ). Thursday we had a snow storm. No
ice
but
it turned bitterly cold. It was 8 degrees with MINUS 15-25 wind chill
factors. Today we are having snow-rain-snow storm. I'm sure we'll see
some
ice too. Nice day to stay inside but I'd rather be doing something
more
constructive than watching tv or playing on the internet but I'm not
in
the
mood to clean.

Sounds like you are getting hit with what we had early in the week-end
....
rain,
snow, ice - not fun. I'm intermixing laundry chores with the computer
....
multi-tasking. LOL

The snow and rain have finally stopped. All of it will freeze over
tonight
as it is supposed to drop to 18 degrees over night. I have to work
tomorrow
so I'm just hoping that the main roads are cleared. Kids don't have
school
so the pressure by the township to get the roads cleaned up.Maybe I won't
go
to work tomorrow.

I'm sorry if you have posted this before, but where are you at Laura?
Here in the
Chicago area, roads are seldom a problem ... at least overnight. Crews
are always
ready to go during the wee hours when traffic is nil. Very seldom do I
remember
waking up to a mess on the main roads, unless the storms have continued
throughout
the night. My daughter is hoping for a day off school tomorrow, as they
are once
again calling for bitter temps overnight (windchill of 25 below zero). I
doubt
they will be cancelled though. We must be having something nasty coming
our way,
temps currently are at about 30 - has to do some serious and quick
dropping to get
as cold as they are forecasting.


I'm in Central NJ. I think this storm caught them by surprise. It started
out as snow then switched to rain and then switched to snow again. All slush
by Sunday night. Then temps plunged back to 16 degrees overnight. Our
complex only has one guy doing the plowing and he could not do much until it
stopped by dinner time. The main roads were okay in the morning. It was just
the private complexes that suffer due to inexperienced snow plowers.

We had another unexpected snow shower this evening. Put another coating on
the ground. Almost blizzard like condtions for about 20 minutes. Great view
out the window while at Curves. Exercising while watching it snow. Wonderful
view.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose, at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say, LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken, fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner. And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say ... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating too many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this week I was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate cravings.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1 pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*. Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then 10, then 15
.... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

Joyce


But it sounds like you have gotten a handle on things for the moment

Key words ... for the moment.

I was going to UPPERCASE them but you did it.

Joyce

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose, at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say, LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken, fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner. And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say ... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating too many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this week I was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1 pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*. Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then 10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Joyce


But it sounds like you have gotten a handle on things for the moment

Key words ... for the moment.

I was going to UPPERCASE them but you did it.

Joyce

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:26:06 GMT, "Laura" wrote:


The snow and rain have finally stopped. All of it will freeze over
tonight
as it is supposed to drop to 18 degrees over night. I have to work
tomorrow
so I'm just hoping that the main roads are cleared. Kids don't have
school
so the pressure by the township to get the roads cleaned up.Maybe I won't
go
to work tomorrow.

I'm sorry if you have posted this before, but where are you at Laura?
Here in the
Chicago area, roads are seldom a problem ... at least overnight. Crews
are always
ready to go during the wee hours when traffic is nil. Very seldom do I
remember
waking up to a mess on the main roads, unless the storms have continued
throughout
the night. My daughter is hoping for a day off school tomorrow, as they
are once
again calling for bitter temps overnight (windchill of 25 below zero). I
doubt
they will be cancelled though. We must be having something nasty coming
our way,
temps currently are at about 30 - has to do some serious and quick
dropping to get
as cold as they are forecasting.


I'm in Central NJ. I think this storm caught them by surprise. It started
out as snow then switched to rain and then switched to snow again. All slush
by Sunday night. Then temps plunged back to 16 degrees overnight. Our
complex only has one guy doing the plowing and he could not do much until it
stopped by dinner time. The main roads were okay in the morning. It was just
the private complexes that suffer due to inexperienced snow plowers.

We had another unexpected snow shower this evening. Put another coating on
the ground. Almost blizzard like condtions for about 20 minutes. Great view
out the window while at Curves. Exercising while watching it snow. Wonderful
view.

Ahhhhh, NJ is usually pretty well prepared for storms, aren't they? It's funny
though - had a very near and dear friend move to NJ a few years ago. One day we
were chatting on the phone and she told me the only thing her hubby missed in
Chicago was the occassional big snow storm - told me NJ doesn't really get many
big storms. Well lo and behold, within a week they were hit horribly ... and not
us in Chicago. I swear, since they have moved, the weather in NJ has been worse
than anything we could imagine. LOL

Those private complexes are tough to clear, especially when storms hit during the
late afternoon/early evening. Main roads are cleared when people finally get home
for the evening, traffic is down, is a pretty easy job to clear streets. But
where do they all park? In those complexes of course, pretty hard to plow around
cars.

Hope your area is back to moving again, and I hope this stuff is soon over with.

Joyce

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose, at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say, LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken, fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner. And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say ... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating too many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this week I was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1 pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*. Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then 10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's best. And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine, sure don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't know if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of thinking the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously fill the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit. If it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do think snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

Joyce

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose, at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say, LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken, fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner. And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say ... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating too many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this week I was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1 pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*. Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then 10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's best. And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine, sure don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't know if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of thinking the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously fill the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit. If it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do think snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
...


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred
wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say
.... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine, sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit. If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:22:38 -0800, Fred wrote:


Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Mmmmmmmmmmm, sounds absolutely delightful!!! Even the fried sweetpotato. But
what the heck, a little bit of sin isn't all bad. G And our bodies do need some
fat, after all. I'm in for the evening tonite, so am steaming some shrimp, baking
a sweet potato, some brussel sprouts and salad. Desert? Hmmmmmm, hadn't thought
that far - probably orange sorbet. Definitely not as exotic or exciting as your
meal last evening.

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

Again, sounds good but I will admit to never having had either. My sister loves
creme broule, I prefer my deserts to be chocolate, chocolate and more chocolate.
The only other thing that calls out my name is cheesecake. G

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1 pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*. Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then 10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's best. And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine, sure don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't know if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of thinking the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously fill the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit. If it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do think snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Gummy bears aren't an issue with me, I swear the things make me feel like they are
pulling my teeth out. G BUT dried fruit, cookies, chips, icecream ... lots of
other goodies I sure do enjoy. Environment is a great way to put things.
Probably why I have more problems when eating at other peoples homes, where buffet
type settings are in order. Restaurants aren't too much trouble, I order and eat
what is in front of me. Buffet type settings, I still eat what is in front of me
- but most of it isn't healthy. G

Joyce