NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th

Yup, me too. A bowl of grape tomatoes is sitting on the windowsill, I am
frequently caught reaching into that bowl as I pass by.

Joyce

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:27:15 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred
wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say
... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine, sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit. If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

I don't buy tomatoes much actually but it a good idea. I should eat
more of the baby carrots. Over the last number of years tomatoes have
gotten blander and blander altho, cherry and now those grape size ones
are more flavorful.

The Miss Meringues are right by me now but I did do a 26 mile bike
ride in 40F weather.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:27:15 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred
wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance. This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped (today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you say
... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray" from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine, sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit. If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:12:34 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:22:38 -0800, Fred wrote:


Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh


Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)


Mmmmmmmmmmm, sounds absolutely delightful!!! Even the fried sweetpotato. But
what the heck, a little bit of sin isn't all bad. G And our bodies do need some
fat, after all. I'm in for the evening tonite, so am steaming some shrimp, baking
a sweet potato, some brussel sprouts and salad. Desert? Hmmmmmm, hadn't thought
that far - probably orange sorbet. Definitely not as exotic or exciting as your
meal last evening.

It was an endive unaltered with this crispy sweetpotato shreds and a
blue cheese dressing.

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

Again, sounds good but I will admit to never having had either. My sister loves
creme broule, I prefer my deserts to be chocolate, chocolate and more chocolate.
The only other thing that calls out my name is cheesecake. G


Well, I am grazing the the choc choc mini meringues right now.


Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And it still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not coming back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only 1 pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat it*. Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then 10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's best. And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine, sure don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't know if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of thinking the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously fill the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit. If it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do think snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Gummy bears aren't an issue with me, I swear the things make me feel like they are
pulling my teeth out. G BUT dried fruit, cookies, chips, icecream ... lots of
other goodies I sure do enjoy. Environment is a great way to put things.
Probably why I have more problems when eating at other peoples homes, where buffet
type settings are in order. Restaurants aren't too much trouble, I order and eat
what is in front of me. Buffet type settings, I still eat what is in front of me
- but most of it isn't healthy. G

I guess I'm into chew and chip sensations (G)


Joyce

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:35:28 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:12:34 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:22:38 -0800, Fred wrote:


Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh


Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)


Mmmmmmmmmmm, sounds absolutely delightful!!! Even the fried sweetpotato. But
what the heck, a little bit of sin isn't all bad. G And our bodies do need some
fat, after all. I'm in for the evening tonite, so am steaming some shrimp, baking
a sweet potato, some brussel sprouts and salad. Desert? Hmmmmmm, hadn't thought
that far - probably orange sorbet. Definitely not as exotic or exciting as your
meal last evening.

It was an endive unaltered with this crispy sweetpotato shreds and a
blue cheese dressing.

Ok, you are definitely making me drool here. Blue cheese ......... yet another of
my weaknesses.

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

Again, sounds good but I will admit to never having had either. My sister loves
creme broule, I prefer my deserts to be chocolate, chocolate and more chocolate.
The only other thing that calls out my name is cheesecake. G


Well, I am grazing the the choc choc mini meringues right now.

And I'm munching away on my dried apple rings. Of course, I already had my hot
fudge sundae ... hours and hours ago. I looked at the mini choc chip meringues
sitting on my counter, but the bag of apple rings next to it called louder.


A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Gummy bears aren't an issue with me, I swear the things make me feel like they are
pulling my teeth out. G BUT dried fruit, cookies, chips, icecream ... lots of
other goodies I sure do enjoy. Environment is a great way to put things.
Probably why I have more problems when eating at other peoples homes, where buffet
type settings are in order. Restaurants aren't too much trouble, I order and eat
what is in front of me. Buffet type settings, I still eat what is in front of me
- but most of it isn't healthy. G

I guess I'm into chew and chip sensations (G)

same here ... but don't forget the dip - with bread, with veggies, with chips,
it's all good! G

Joyce

The cherry tomatoes I get are on a little vine, and if not refrigerated they
are truly awesome. And glycemically a better deal than carrots.
Supposedly. I use both. The tomatoes are easier for me because they stay
right out there.

I forget about popcorn too, and that is a very good snack.

"Fred" wrote in message
news
I don't buy tomatoes much actually but it a good idea. I should eat
more of the baby carrots. Over the last number of years tomatoes have
gotten blander and blander altho, cherry and now those grape size ones
are more flavorful.

The Miss Meringues are right by me now but I did do a 26 mile bike
ride in 40F weather.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:27:15 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred
wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance.
This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did
go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you
choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to
cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch
too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into
a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just
ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally
prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that
chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped
(today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at
dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you
say
... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray"
from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or
chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself
famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating
too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this
week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny
boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it
was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week
or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have
my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in
a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well
just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to
have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive
closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a
realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And
it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not
coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only
1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat
it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling
things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's
best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine,
sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't
know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of
thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously
fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit.
If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do
think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

I saw something to the effect that carrots are no longer totally
forbidden on Atkins. Not as bad as they thought. I get the feeling
Atkins is trying to get more politically correct and more appealing.

I also forget popcorn.

Typing between breakfast bites as I head off to ski

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:11:47 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

The cherry tomatoes I get are on a little vine, and if not refrigerated they
are truly awesome. And glycemically a better deal than carrots.
Supposedly. I use both. The tomatoes are easier for me because they stay
right out there.

I forget about popcorn too, and that is a very good snack.

"Fred" wrote in message
news
I don't buy tomatoes much actually but it a good idea. I should eat
more of the baby carrots. Over the last number of years tomatoes have
gotten blander and blander altho, cherry and now those grape size ones
are more flavorful.

The Miss Meringues are right by me now but I did do a 26 mile bike
ride in 40F weather.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:27:15 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred
wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance.
This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I did
go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you
choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top. Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying to
cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce lunch
too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked into
a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just
ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally
prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that
chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave. My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped
(today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at
dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as you
say
... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray"
from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or
chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself
famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to eating
too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this
week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny
boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it
was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week
or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I have
my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks in
a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well
just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to
have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive
closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a
realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise. And
it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not
coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's only
1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat
it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5, then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling
things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's
best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine,
sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't
know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of
thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously
fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab fruit.
If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do
think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:47:20 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:35:28 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:12:34 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:22:38 -0800, Fred wrote:


Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny boys favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They did have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it was light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the huge portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and salsa always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another week or so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh


Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with "boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)


Mmmmmmmmmmm, sounds absolutely delightful!!! Even the fried sweetpotato. But
what the heck, a little bit of sin isn't all bad. G And our bodies do need some
fat, after all. I'm in for the evening tonite, so am steaming some shrimp, baking
a sweet potato, some brussel sprouts and salad. Desert? Hmmmmmm, hadn't thought
that far - probably orange sorbet. Definitely not as exotic or exciting as your
meal last evening.

It was an endive unaltered with this crispy sweetpotato shreds and a
blue cheese dressing.

Ok, you are definitely making me drool here. Blue cheese ......... yet another of
my weaknesses.

It was unique. We both put the restaurant on the RETURN list. The
3rd person who does not come to Seattle much also thought it very
good. Pricy but good.

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so crack
it up just that way.

Again, sounds good but I will admit to never having had either. My sister loves
creme broule, I prefer my deserts to be chocolate, chocolate and more chocolate.
The only other thing that calls out my name is cheesecake. G


Well, I am grazing the the choc choc mini meringues right now.

And I'm munching away on my dried apple rings. Of course, I already had my hot
fudge sundae ... hours and hours ago. I looked at the mini choc chip meringues
sitting on my counter, but the bag of apple rings next to it called louder.

Ah, better discipline. I would have had a skinny cow but I was
exhausted and actually went to bed. Now doubly exhausted having
returned from an 11 mile ski trip - GREAT snow - yeah, I'm sure you've
never heard such comments regarding snow (G)


A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Gummy bears aren't an issue with me, I swear the things make me feel like they are
pulling my teeth out. G BUT dried fruit, cookies, chips, icecream ... lots of
other goodies I sure do enjoy. Environment is a great way to put things.
Probably why I have more problems when eating at other peoples homes, where buffet
type settings are in order. Restaurants aren't too much trouble, I order and eat
what is in front of me. Buffet type settings, I still eat what is in front of me
- but most of it isn't healthy. G

I guess I'm into chew and chip sensations (G)

same here ... but don't forget the dip - with bread, with veggies, with chips,
it's all good! G

Bread is reserved for sandwiches like today's two peanut butter and
jelly sandwiches.

Joyce

Evil laugh was told to me too late to up the exercise today besides
exhausting was close enough anyway. But yesterday was a 25 mile bike
ride. So there will be muscle-water weight. If you win it won't
count (G)

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:17:13 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Evil laugh, you better ski, I am doing really well this week so far...

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I saw something to the effect that carrots are no longer totally
forbidden on Atkins. Not as bad as they thought. I get the feeling
Atkins is trying to get more politically correct and more appealing.

I also forget popcorn.

Typing between breakfast bites as I head off to ski

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:11:47 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

The cherry tomatoes I get are on a little vine, and if not refrigerated
they
are truly awesome. And glycemically a better deal than carrots.
Supposedly. I use both. The tomatoes are easier for me because they
stay
right out there.

I forget about popcorn too, and that is a very good snack.

"Fred" wrote in message
news I don't buy tomatoes much actually but it a good idea. I should eat
more of the baby carrots. Over the last number of years tomatoes have
gotten blander and blander altho, cherry and now those grape size ones
are more flavorful.

The Miss Meringues are right by me now but I did do a 26 mile bike
ride in 40F weather.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:27:15 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry
tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred

wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the holidays
were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off balance.
This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make
better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and I
did
go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It is
so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY instead
of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one
week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you
choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top.
Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that trying
to
cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not like
the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce
lunch
too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked
into
a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner before
the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party just
ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong suggestion
that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally
prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they
say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that
chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave.
My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much
further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get skipped
(today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I try
to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at
dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does
get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as
you
say
... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that "stray"
from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or
chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself
famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that dinner
out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get
plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I seem
to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to
eating
too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick in
the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that this
week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the
chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to sonny
boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc. They
did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think* it
was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the
huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and
salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another
week
or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with
"boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not
much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine. Salad
was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed
was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding
cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so
crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I
have
my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two weeks
in
a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very well
just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way to
have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know friday
from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive
closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a
realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise.
And
it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not
coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the *it's
only
1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son, about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't sweat
it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather sweat
it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become 5,
then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue tackling
things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass off
a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I have
much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better
knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but
probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to lose
my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at it's
best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas routine,
sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I don't
know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of
thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I conciously
fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab
fruit.
If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I do
think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

It ALWAYS counts when I win.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Evil laugh was told to me too late to up the exercise today besides
exhausting was close enough anyway. But yesterday was a 25 mile bike
ride. So there will be muscle-water weight. If you win it won't
count (G)

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:17:13 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Evil laugh, you better ski, I am doing really well this week so far...

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I saw something to the effect that carrots are no longer totally
forbidden on Atkins. Not as bad as they thought. I get the feeling
Atkins is trying to get more politically correct and more appealing.

I also forget popcorn.

Typing between breakfast bites as I head off to ski

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:11:47 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

The cherry tomatoes I get are on a little vine, and if not
refrigerated
they
are truly awesome. And glycemically a better deal than carrots.
Supposedly. I use both. The tomatoes are easier for me because they
stay
right out there.

I forget about popcorn too, and that is a very good snack.

"Fred" wrote in message
news I don't buy tomatoes much actually but it a good idea. I should eat
more of the baby carrots. Over the last number of years tomatoes
have
gotten blander and blander altho, cherry and now those grape size
ones
are more flavorful.

The Miss Meringues are right by me now but I did do a 26 mile bike
ride in 40F weather.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:27:15 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry
tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred

wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the
holidays
were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off
balance.
This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make
better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and
I
did
go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It
is
so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY
instead
of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one
week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you
choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top.
Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that
trying
to
cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not
like
the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce
lunch
too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked
into
a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner
before
the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party
just
ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong
suggestion
that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally
prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they
say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that
chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave.
My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much
further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get
skipped
(today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I
try
to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at
dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does
get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as
you
say
... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that
"stray"
from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or
chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself
famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that
dinner
out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get
plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I
seem
to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to
eating
too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick
in
the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that
this
week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the
chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no
tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to
sonny
boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc.
They
did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think*
it
was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the
huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and
salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another
week
or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with
"boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not
much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine.
Salad
was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed
was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding
cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so
crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I
have
my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two
weeks
in
a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very
well
just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way
to
have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know
friday
from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive
closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a
realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise.
And
it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not
coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the
*it's
only
1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son,
about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't
sweat
it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather
sweat
it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become
5,
then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue
tackling
things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass
off
a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I
have
much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better
knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but
probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I
do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to
lose
my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on
some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at
it's
best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas
routine,
sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I
don't
know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of
thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I
conciously
fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab
fruit.
If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I
do
think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and
that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons
of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if
unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce

Remember, it's how you play (the game)

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:52:00 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

It ALWAYS counts when I win.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Evil laugh was told to me too late to up the exercise today besides
exhausting was close enough anyway. But yesterday was a 25 mile bike
ride. So there will be muscle-water weight. If you win it won't
count (G)

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:17:13 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Evil laugh, you better ski, I am doing really well this week so far...

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I saw something to the effect that carrots are no longer totally
forbidden on Atkins. Not as bad as they thought. I get the feeling
Atkins is trying to get more politically correct and more appealing.

I also forget popcorn.

Typing between breakfast bites as I head off to ski

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:11:47 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

The cherry tomatoes I get are on a little vine, and if not
refrigerated
they
are truly awesome. And glycemically a better deal than carrots.
Supposedly. I use both. The tomatoes are easier for me because they
stay
right out there.

I forget about popcorn too, and that is a very good snack.

"Fred" wrote in message
news I don't buy tomatoes much actually but it a good idea. I should eat
more of the baby carrots. Over the last number of years tomatoes
have
gotten blander and blander altho, cherry and now those grape size
ones
are more flavorful.

The Miss Meringues are right by me now but I did do a 26 mile bike
ride in 40F weather.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:27:15 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Hey I don't know if you guys have tried them, but I leave cherry
tomatoes
out in my kitchen. Tasty.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:32:50 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:08:54 -0800, Fred

wrote:



On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:34:18 -0600, Joyce
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:28:50 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Maybe that's where I've been also? Even after the
holidays
were
long over, those
day to day last minute outings were keeping me off
balance.
This
week, I haven't
had a single one. It's been wonderful to be able to make
better
choices and
actually plan all meals (and snacks) accordingly. Hub and
I
did
go
out for dinner
Monday night, a huge meal but still well planned for. It
is
so
much easier to
work these things in when they happen OCCASSIONALLY
instead
of
daily.

That's so very true. When too many "events" happen in one
week I
feel
it stresses the control mechanisms. No matter how well you
choose,
at
some restaurants saucing is just going to go over the top.
Also,
frankly, I think that my points are tight enough that
trying
to
cut
down, say lunch, does not really work. I guess I do not
like
the
"empty pit stomach" feeling at all. So I will not reduce
lunch
too
much to accommodate a dinner. Altho, just now I got talked
into
a
second dinner Sat night after the Friday night dinner
before
the
opera. Originally, Sat was to be sushi but a 3rd party
just
ruled
that out. I may have to rule it in with a strong
suggestion
that
there are other things on the menu!!!! I was/am mentally
prepared
to
have fun on Fri's dinner and DESSERT (G) Oh, well, as they
say,
LIFE
happens.

What happened to me ... one meal out is easy to choose that
chicken,
fish,
whatever. By the third and fourth trip out, I am no longer
interested in those
same meals - want something different and just totally cave.
My
points are also
low enough, is too hard to reduce breakfast or lunch much
further
without cutting
one of them out totally. Sometimes breakfast does get
skipped
(today
was one of
those days) - sleep seemed so much more enticing. G If I
try
to
reduce lunch
too much, then I've found I can not make decent decisions at
dinner.
And I find I
still must leave some points for the evening snack. It does
get
tough some days.
I do not envy you your double whammy week-end meals. But as
you
say
... life
happens. And it's only 2 out of 7 days, right?

Yes, that is probably part of it, too. Temptations that
"stray"
from
the normal simply broiled or roasted or dry-sauteed fish or
chicken.
Or desserts I will not see again for months. Leaving oneself
famished
leading up to dinner out is no way to help control that
dinner
out.

As much as I hate to say it, there are just times that I get
plain
tired of
broiled chicken and fish. And there are those weeks that I
seem
to
crave it, go
figure. Maybe my craving it earlier in the month was due to
eating
too
many sweet
treats over the holidays? Do those chocolates possibly kick
in
the
urge for even
more higher fat/calorie choices? I dunno, I only know that
this
week I
was
totally back on program and also didn't seem to have the
chocolate
cravings.

Exactly. I hope they have a tempting fish dish tonight. I did
chocolate and other crap yesterday like there was "no
tomorrow."

Well, I did venture out to lunch yesterday - routine visit to
sonny
boys
favorite
mexican place ... found out they changed menus, owners, etc.
They
did
have a fish
dish on the menu, which I tried and it was wonderful. I *think*
it
was
light, but
really have no way of knowing for sure - I ate about half of the
huge
portion
(snapper with a tomato sauce). No desserts, but the chips and
salsa
always get
me. G I've avoided the chocolate, but have a feeling another
week
or
so and it
will be screaming my name again. sigh

Dinner was excellent. I had ahi tuna (almost sushi) with
"boulebaise"
(sp?) sauce. Which was clams and a vegetable ladden broth. Not
much,
if any oil floating on the surface. About a glass of wine.
Salad
was
dressing on the side but the sweetpotato which I wrongly presumed
was
thinly sliced raw as actually shredded and fried but terrific.
Braised fennel and ratatouie (more sp??)

Dessert - Chai Creme Broule (sp) and steamed chocolate pudding
cake -
WOW!!!! Probably not terrible but it was a fun night out. so
crack
it up just that way.

As you will see elsewhere - down an even two this week so I
have
my
cushion reinflated but I was hoping to keep it there two
weeks
in
a
row for a change (G)

My guess is that you will. Then again, it may also very
well
just
be those
normal maintenance flucuations. I still see no feasible way
to
have
the exact
same weight each and every week. My body doesn't know
friday
from
wednesday, and
it definitely does not like to cooperate on Fridays. G

I've gotten better at accepting that but was hoping to strive
closer
to that elusive 155 and hold just above that. But maybe a
realistic
(I'm getting closer to accepting) 157-160 is going to be it.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say ... right? My brain accepts and
understands this,
doesn't mean I'm thrilled when the results do show otherwise.
And
it
still does
scare me to see those numbers creep back up - fear of them not
coming
back down,
fear that I will just *give up* on myself or get into the
*it's
only
1
pound*
frame of mind. I said something a few weeks ago to my son,
about
putting on 3
pounds - he rolled his eyes and said *that's nothing, don't
sweat
it*.
Well, yeah
- kinda. But I had to explain to him that I'd much rather
sweat
it
when it was
only 3, cuz I know it's so much easier to allow it to become
5,
then
10, then 15
... Best I can keep myself in the mindset to continue
tackling
things
immediately.

I think you have it right. It could become very easy to pass
off
a
"little" gain this week and another the next..... That's how I
regained the last time - just ignored things. Altho, now I
have
much
better knowledge of portions. Also, I guess I have better
knowledge
to try stopping the binges but it is not always working but
probably
working better than two years ago. More awareness. And when I
do
binge, somewhere is the thought that wait, I do not want to
lose
my
fitness level which halts it earlier than days past.

Ahhhh, that old awareness thing again? I know I splurged on
some
icecream last
night - so pumped up the treadmill this morning. Awareness at
it's
best.
And I
finally seem to be getting my legs back from pre-christmas
routine,
sure
don't
want to lose that again. I *know* I can lose a few pounds, I
don't
know
if I have
the strength to again lose a high amount. I have done a lot of
thinking
the past
few weeks, and realized that I am my worst enemy. If I
conciously
fill
the house
up with fruit, snacks are not an issue - I automatically grab
fruit.
If
it isn't
here, I grab the wrong things and in much higher quantities. I
do
think
snacking
or control of snacking is my major problem.

A weekend guest who is diabetic mentioned 'environment' and
that's
important - not having the wrong stuff around. Snacking on tons
of
baby carrots would probably not be all that bad even if
unchecked.
Gummy bears, potato chips, cookies - PROBLEM (G)

Joyce