Atkins - BBC Horizon gets it wrong in the last minutes

Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme
correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite,
and therefore eat less calories than those on a carb diet.
However at the end of the programme there was a sudden conclusion that
it was the protein that controlled appetite. This conclusion came from
a Danish study which showed that those on an Atkins type diet,
although using lean meats, controlled appetite and those on carbs did
not.
Protein does not control appetite. Excess carbohydrate raises blood
sugar and excess blood sugar causes loss of control of appetite. The
Horizon conclusion is so obviously wrong it is a wonder how it ever
came to be made. Through history most people had control of appetite.
Then, it did not matter what mix of foods they ate - they burned off
excess carbs by physical work all day long. They certainly did not
have an excess protein diet. We just need to adapt to less physical
work by eating less carb. Then the very powerful hormones which
control appetite will take care of our body shape. I published the
reasons why on 30 Dec 2003. http://www.innatehealth.com/obesity.htm

Best wishes,

Warren

I agree i thought it started off on the right foot and then bang.... shot
itself in the other one.

i had to go and eat some Chicken and liver pate, a peice of cheese washed down
with a coffee topped up with single cream. Oh and a knifefull of full fat
cream cheese....

Sweet dreams on the HORIZON.....

(Warren Ward) wrote:

Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme
correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite,
and therefore eat less calories than those on a carb diet.
However at the end of the programme there was a sudden conclusion that
it was the protein that controlled appetite. This conclusion came from
a Danish study which showed that those on an Atkins type diet,
although using lean meats, controlled appetite and those on carbs did
not.
Protein does not control appetite.
This has been a claimed for several years that some research
supposedly supports that high protein diets curb appetite. We can't
assume that carbs are the only possible causation for appetite.
Oversimplification is often a bad thing. Atkins insisted that fat was
what satisfies an appetite. As far back as 2000 I read claims of
studies proving protein did the trick. Maybe they both satisfy.

They say when a dog's stomach is upset he instinctively will eat
grass-it supposedly helps. What makes the dog suddenly have an
appetite for grass? I think it is reasonable that there are multiple
triggers for hunger, and protein, fat and carbs each satisfy different
"hungers".


Excess carbohydrate raises blood
sugar and excess blood sugar causes loss of control of appetite. The
Horizon conclusion is so obviously wrong it is a wonder how it ever
came to be made. Through history most people had control of appetite.
Then, it did not matter what mix of foods they ate - they burned off
excess carbs by physical work all day long. They certainly did not
have an excess protein diet. We just need to adapt to less physical
work by eating less carb. Then the very powerful hormones which
control appetite will take care of our body shape. I published the
reasons why on 30 Dec 2003. http://www.innatehealth.com/obesity.htm

Best wishes,

Warren

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:10:57 GMT, DigitalVinyl
wrote:

(Warren Ward) wrote:

Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme
correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite,
and therefore eat less calories than those on a carb diet.
However at the end of the programme there was a sudden conclusion that
it was the protein that controlled appetite. This conclusion came from
a Danish study which showed that those on an Atkins type diet,
although using lean meats, controlled appetite and those on carbs did
not.
Protein does not control appetite.
This has been a claimed for several years that some research
supposedly supports that high protein diets curb appetite. We can't
assume that carbs are the only possible causation for appetite.
Oversimplification is often a bad thing. Atkins insisted that fat was
what satisfies an appetite. As far back as 2000 I read claims of
studies proving protein did the trick. Maybe they both satisfy.

They say when a dog's stomach is upset he instinctively will eat
grass-it supposedly helps. What makes the dog suddenly have an
appetite for grass? I think it is reasonable that there are multiple
triggers for hunger, and protein, fat and carbs each satisfy different
"hungers".


But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling
appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being
mentioned!

Steven

Steven Cook wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:10:57 GMT, DigitalVinyl
wrote:

Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme
correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite,
and therefore eat less calories than those on a carb diet.
However at the end of the programme there was a sudden conclusion that
it was the protein that controlled appetite. This conclusion came from
a Danish study which showed that those on an Atkins type diet,
although using lean meats, controlled appetite and those on carbs did
not.
Protein does not control appetite.

But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling
appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being
mentioned!

Steven

Because that would point the finger at CARBS being the baddie!
I thought it was a very clever program. They managed to admit Atkins
works (they can't really deny it with so much evidence around) but made
a fake mystery about WHY. All those white-coated doctors and
nutritionists pondering over whether it was the fat OR the protein
levels that made the diet work! and muttering over how perplexing it
was! LOL! As if they have no idea of the role of insulin in hunger! In
fact, they NEVER ONCE mentioned 'diabetes' or 'insulin' or 'blood sugar
swings' during the whole program. Thats is quite an achievement in a
program that was, overall, positive towards Atkins.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:31:34 +0000, Flora
wrote:

What I got from the Horizon program is low-carbers actually eat LESS
calories, than other diets. This would be my experience as I find just
eating protein unappetising


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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:31:34 +0000, Flora
wrote:

But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling
appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being
mentioned!

Steven

Because that would point the finger at CARBS being the baddie!
I thought it was a very clever program. They managed to admit Atkins
works (they can't really deny it with so much evidence around) but made
a fake mystery about WHY. All those white-coated doctors and
nutritionists pondering over whether it was the fat OR the protein
levels that made the diet work! and muttering over how perplexing it
was! LOL! As if they have no idea of the role of insulin in hunger! In
fact, they NEVER ONCE mentioned 'diabetes' or 'insulin' or 'blood sugar
swings' during the whole program. Thats is quite an achievement in a
program that was, overall, positive towards Atkins.



I guess you're right Flora, I just found it extremely frustrating
especially, as you say, it was overall very positive. It even had my
SO saying this morning that maybe she should try "this Atkins lark"!

Steven

Steven Cook wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:10:57 GMT, DigitalVinyl
wrote:

(Warren Ward) wrote:

Very interesting Horizon programme shown this evening. The programme
correctly identified that those on Atkins regain control of appetite,
and therefore eat less calories than those on a carb diet.
However at the end of the programme there was a sudden conclusion that
it was the protein that controlled appetite. This conclusion came from
a Danish study which showed that those on an Atkins type diet,
although using lean meats, controlled appetite and those on carbs did
not.
Protein does not control appetite.
This has been a claimed for several years that some research
supposedly supports that high protein diets curb appetite. We can't
assume that carbs are the only possible causation for appetite.
Oversimplification is often a bad thing. Atkins insisted that fat was
what satisfies an appetite. As far back as 2000 I read claims of
studies proving protein did the trick. Maybe they both satisfy.

They say when a dog's stomach is upset he instinctively will eat
grass-it supposedly helps. What makes the dog suddenly have an
appetite for grass? I think it is reasonable that there are multiple
triggers for hunger, and protein, fat and carbs each satisfy different
"hungers".


But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling
appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being
mentioned!

Steven
Again, people enjoy oversimplification. If you find a answer, the
assumption is there is only one answer--they stop looking. I do
troubleshooting on complex computer systems and when people can't
solve a problem it is usually because there is more than one and they
are trying to find one thing that causes all the symptoms. Once I
start looking for separate ones the solutions come quicker and the
symptoms drop away individually.
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:29:18 GMT, DigitalVinyl
wrote:


But why was there no discussion on the insulin factor in controlling
appetite? Even if to discount that theory, but I don't recall it being
mentioned!

Steven
Again, people enjoy oversimplification. If you find a answer, the
assumption is there is only one answer--they stop looking. I do
troubleshooting on complex computer systems and when people can't
solve a problem it is usually because there is more than one and they
are trying to find one thing that causes all the symptoms. Once I
start looking for separate ones the solutions come quicker and the
symptoms drop away individually.
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

You know sometimes I find the exact opposite. I also work in the
computer industry and I find, especially on training courses, where
people are confronted with a problem they don't understand they always
think the answer is far more complex and ignore the obvious answer
staring them in the face...
Perhaps this also applies to the half-ass researchers at the BBC...

Steven.

"DigitalVinyl" wrote in message
...

Oversimplification is often a bad thing. Atkins insisted that fat was
what satisfies an appetite. As far back as 2000 I read claims of
studies proving protein did the trick. Maybe they both satisfy.

Exactly. The point is that carbs DON'T.

At least not without increasing caloric intake to the point where fat starts
to accumulate in the body.

It's that simple, boys and girls...

--
Bob
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