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In article , tcomeau wrote:
Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina / gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!! Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the time. It's not a "methodology". It's a fact about weight loss. If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan, just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR LIFE !! Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure. He didn't suggest starvation. Unlike eating enough protein and fat in the diet to actually feel satiated after a meal and not gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so. Eating a few grams of carbs is not going to magically compell you to "gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so". Eat a little less and do a little more would work for tha majority of people...it's THAT freakin' simple !! Boy how stupid of the 60% of Americans who are now obese. You're confusing "simple" with "easy". Geez if only they were told to eat a low-fat/low-calorie/high-carb diet, then they would all be trim and healthy. Oh wait, they were told. Well, we do know about the Atkins diet now, so why is there still a problem with obesity ? You may argue that "the word hasn't spread yet" or something like that, but you should at least be able to demonstrate that there is a pattern of reduced incidence of obesity that coincides with the popularisation of the Atkins diet, right ? How simple a solution, now if only we could figure out the reason why it doesn't actually work more than 2 to 5% of the time. Making lifestyle changes is not easy. Habits die hard. Any task that requires a lifestyle change is goign to have a very low success rate. I guess we can tell all those who have lost massive amounts of weight on healthy low-carb diets that they are just fooling themselves and it is all an illusion. What about all those who lost massive amounts of weight without "lo-carbing" ? An anecdote (even several anecdotes) does not make a pattern. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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In article , tcomeau wrote:
Doug Freese wrote in message . .. Lyle McDonald wrote: No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****. Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it. Oh no, toss them both out and try the Cabbage Soup or was that dingleberry torts? Save your money, add exercise and eat a balanced diet less simple carbs. well duh.... the whole debate is about what is a balanced diet. according to the mainstream it is 60 plus percent carbs, according to the low-carbers it is 40% or less. But I guess it doesn't matter as long you deeply believe it is a truly balanced diet then the belief will be enough to make you healthy and thin, eh? And you say eat less simple carbs, eh? So complex carbs are acceptable even if the GI-load or the calorie count is significantly higher than some simple carbs? On both recomendations, you've completely missed the mark. He didn't make those recommendations. Your argument is dishonest at best. P.T. was right. The mainstream has been pushing the low-fat/low-calorie idea for 100 years and we have never been fatter. A lot of things have happened over the last 100 years. Most of those things did not cause the current obesity epidemic. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina / gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!! Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the time. How so ?? Are you saying there is ANOTHER way to do the above (non-surgical) ?? If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan, just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR LIFE !! Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure. Who said anything about starving ?? That's quite an imagination... Eat a little less and do a little more would work for tha majority of people...it's THAT freakin' simple !! Boy how stupid of the 60% of Americans who are now obese. Geez if only they were told to eat a low-fat/low-calorie/high-carb diet, then they would all be trim and healthy. Again, your imagination is running wild again.... |
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On 12/16/2003 12:11 PM, tcomeau wrote: (gman99) wrote in message ... wrote: I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be popular these days. I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with weight control. As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the low carb diet does? Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina / gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!! Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the time. "What we found was that most people who achieved long-term weight loss success did so by consuming a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet," said Holly Wyatt, M.D., assistant professor of Medicine, University of Colorado. "Very few successful weight loss maintainers ate a low-carbohydrate, high-protein/fat diet." http://www.naaso.org/news/20001030.asp "Available data suggest that long-term weight loss is most consistently achieved by adherence to a fat-restricted diet abundant in grains, vegetables, and fruit, along with regular physical activity, a lifestyle notably conducive to the promotion of overall health." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan, just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR LIFE !! Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure. Unlike eating enough protein and fat in the diet to actually feel satiated after a meal and not gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so. Yep, starvation should definitely be looked upon as an attainable goal and lifestyle. Environmental Nutrition, May 2003 v26 i5 p1 Calories do count more than carbohydrates. "The weight lost while on low-carb diets, such as the popular Atkins Diet, results mostly from eating fewer calories and sticking with the diet as long as possible, not in limiting carbohydrates per se, say researchers from Stanford and Yale Universities. "The researchers analyzed 107 studies published on low-carbohydrate diets in the past 35 years. They found that the diets of those who lost the most weight (22 pounds or more, on average) varied widely in carbohydrate content, up to 60 grams a day. What they all had in common, however, was that calories were restricted to about 1,100 per day and the diets lasted about four to five months." -- jmk in NC |
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Lyle McDonald wrote: Lady o' the house wrote: I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a 'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me. If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search for low carb diet). No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****. Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it. Or get Lyle's book, if you want the gory details. Then google mfw for all the updates. It also cures insomnia. Seth -- "There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi. |
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You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to do
it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to work at anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do NOTHING and loose weight. People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body, they need to make their body work. You need to give it what it NEEDS to work. No nutrition no metabolism.........not healthy, PERIOD. Remember in the 80"s, all of the KNOW-IT-ALLs told you that the WATERBED was the best thing for your back, well they have a new product to SELL you and make money............it's the Low Carb Diet..................my advice...be skeptical, very skeptical. MrMorgan wrote in message ... I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be popular these days. I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with weight control. As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the low carb diet does? -- Please post and reply to |
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tcomeau wrote:
well duh.... the whole debate is about what is a balanced diet. according to the mainstream it is 60 plus percent carbs, according to the low-carbers it is 40% or less. Yawn. But I guess it doesn't matter as long you deeply believe it is a truly balanced diet then the belief will be enough to make you healthy and thin, eh? Pure rhetoric. And you say eat less simple carbs, eh? So complex carbs are acceptable even if the GI-load or the calorie count is significantly higher than some simple carbs? This GI and GL for most people is BS! The fourth biggest lie that gets extrapolated across everyone. Atkin's estate will continue to live well off this and I won't be unfair to equate his croaking with his diet. People eat too much food(total calories) and do too little exercise, period. Too much simple sugar and portions to fatten the proverbial water spider. On both recomendations, you've completely missed the mark. Note the quote below. Whether P. T. Barum said it or not but the quote still has merit - there's a sucker born every minute. Ya gotta love freedom of speech regardless of facts. P.T. was right. The mainstream has been pushing the low-fat/low-calorie idea for 100 years and we have never been fatter. Because we don't follow it, not because it doesn't work. The real problem is very basic, every time a person bends their elbow there mouth opens and more goes in. Jumbo fries, Jumbo drinks, Jumbo burgers, huge portions and the fat play rolls on. Stop by a local foot race some day. The vast majority of these people are far from obese and the ones that are have taken the first step by participating. Are we all genetically gifted and eating a low carb diet? Hell no, in fact those that have tried low carbs and exercise typically have bonking problems. It's the bodies way to tell you, please some carbs. Unless you want to claim that exercise is bad for you and I'm sure you're not agenda blinded, then tell me why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911 before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and wondering why the engine does not run right. -- Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" |
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
In article , tcomeau wrote: I guess we can tell all those who have lost massive amounts of weight on healthy low-carb diets that they are just fooling themselves and it is all an illusion. What about all those who lost massive amounts of weight without "lo-carbing" ? An anecdote (even several anecdotes) does not make a pattern. There is also no data (except anecdotal, which is ****) to suggest that lowcarbers have any better long-term success than any other diet. Lyle |
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MrMorgan wrote:
You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to do it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to work at anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do NOTHING and loose weight. People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body, Toxins, eh? Remember in the 80"s, all of the KNOW-IT-ALLs told you that the WATERBED was the best thing for your back, well they have a new product to SELL you and make money............it's the Low Carb Diet..................my advice...be skeptical, very skeptical. Or in your case, be an idiot, be very much an idiot. Lyle |
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