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Old March 16th, 2004, 04:55 AM
JMA
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"SnugBear" wrote in message
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Ignoramus21819 wrote:

Anyway, I will read up on milk and hormones. Is there perhaps more
expensive milk that is made from cows not fed hormones? Such as
"organic" milk?


Oh we have *special dairies* that sell *special milk* from *special

cows* -
all at a very *special price* here in Maine. hmph

--


And one of your *special dairies* actually a milk processor that gets milk
only from hormone free dairies is getting sued by Monsanto, the maker of the
bovine growth hormone for advertising that their farmers certify that they
don't use the hormones.

Milk that is certified as organic comes from cows that are not given the
growth hormone and does come at a premium.


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Old March 16th, 2004, 05:05 AM
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OK. There are these little things called "calories" and when you put
foodsy-woodsy in your mouthy-poo it contains some of these calories. They
won't hurt you if you don't get sicky-wicky.

Maybe ask Dr. Seus for more info.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low

fat
products etc.

High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat too.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in

message
...
This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit

is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all.

i

In article ,

Diarmid
Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight

and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and

keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I

am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio

5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese -

almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes

diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting

carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not

eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is

why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis

of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal

for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term,

they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a

residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the

diet
is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill,

and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them

can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high

protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children

to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as

a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."








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Old March 16th, 2004, 05:22 AM
JC Der Koenig
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Please tell me that you've had your ovaries removed.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
OK. There are these little things called "calories" and when you put
foodsy-woodsy in your mouthy-poo it contains some of these calories. They
won't hurt you if you don't get sicky-wicky.

Maybe ask Dr. Seus for more info.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low

fat
products etc.

High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat

too.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in

message
...
This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit

is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all.

i

In article ,

Diarmid
Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight

and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites

and
keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and

I
am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC

Radio
5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese -

almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes

diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots

of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting

carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did

not
eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is

why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the

basis
of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal

for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term,

they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an

early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a

residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the

diet
is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are

ill,
and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them

can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high

protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these

children
to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term

health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle

as
a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."










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Old March 16th, 2004, 05:29 AM
Perple Gyrl
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I stopped drinking milk about 5 years ago. Prior to that, I would drink 2-3
gallons a week by myself. Within a couple of months of stopping, my face
cleared up considerably and I wasn't nearly as bloated. I used to have
terrible cystic acne due to my pcos. Not drinking that stuff helped me
clear it up. I avoid it now, except when it is occassionally an ingrediant
in something I am eating (i.e. low calorie dessert bars, etc.).

I never knew that about the growth hormones! I do know that I did grow up
pretty tall and big boned in a short family. I wonder if excess milk
consumption during childhood contributed to that. I am a bit over 5'9, my
sister and mom are 5'5 and my dad is 5'10. I am the tallest female on both
sides of my family and I have a ton of cousins. No one knows where I got
the height from.

"That T Woman" wrote in message

In cow's milk you have all kinds of hormones that are given to the cows

and
pass through in the milk. I was reading on another fitness related
newsgroup and the guys were discussing how you can get really huge (hooge

I
think is how they put it) by drinking a gallon of whole milk a day not

just
from the calories but also from the growth hormones. Soy milk doesn't

have
those things in it. I can't drink cow milk or most other dairy products
because they cause too much phlegm production in my sinuses. I don't know
what component in cow milk causes that but it's a severe reaction in me

that
I go out of my way to avoid.

Tonia




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Old March 16th, 2004, 11:37 AM
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In sci.life-extension Mark D. wrote or quoted:
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message news:HuMvG3.7Jq@bath


When a diet is described as "high in fat", it usually means the
*percentage* of fat in the diet is high.

It's the same with high protein diets.

Atkins is a low carb diet - so it is high in fats and proteins -
at least as far as the percentages go.


Problem is, Tim, that Atkins is then criticised for being a 'dangerously'
high-fat or 'worryingly' high-protein diet -- even though the *absolute
amounts of these food-types consumed* may actually be *lower* for an
appetite-suppressed Atkins dieter than for the sugar-crazed carb-junkie
sitting next to them.


My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not
fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up
for the lack of carbohydrates.

You're a *bright guy*, Tim -- so *why* do you keep selling out to the Dark
Side on this matter? What issues do you have with this? Seriously. There
*has to be a reason* why you stop making sense whenever this stuff crops
up...


The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-| People should be encouraged
to eat more fruit and vegetables - not to replace them with animal fat.
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Old March 16th, 2004, 12:59 PM
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Well, Atkins stresses vegetable (especially) and fruit intake in his books
(at least in his "age-defying" book - the only one I've read). He even ranks
fruit and vegetables according to the ratio of antioxidants to
carbohydrates.

I think the "animal fat" part is misquoting his ideas somewhat (at least the
parts I've read). He stresses omega-3 rich foods, fish, good oils, etc quite
a lot. A fair amount is devoted to improving the HDL to LDL ratio. He likes
eggs more than the medical establishment has traditionally thought healthy.

I think the idea that the Atkins diet is a kind of rabid steak-eating fetish
is rather inaccurate.

The basic ideas of restricting (especially refined) carbohydrates and
getting a healthy intake of good fats and sufficient protein seem pretty
well known. In combination with sufficient intake of vegetables (primarily)
and fruits, this sounds like a fairly good eating plan (ignoring the
possibly significant issue of total calorie intake).

Ryan


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Old March 16th, 2004, 01:22 PM
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Tim Tyler wrote:

My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not
fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up
for the lack of carbohydrates.


My experience has been to keep the protein and fat relatively
the same, but lower the carbohydrates. I eat less protein than
your average non-dieter, lots of green vegetables, adequate fat.
It's high-protein as a matter of percentage of overall diet, but not
by actual amounts. It's simply a matter of leaving out the high
starch and high-sugar foods.

The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-| People should be encouraged
to eat more fruit and vegetables - not to replace them with animal fat.


I don't actually follow Atkins, but I've read the book several times.
One of the most common ignorant assumptions spread by those who have
clearly not read the book is that Atkins doesn't allow vegetables,
and that you can't touch an apple again. Not true. Atkins teaches
how to regulate healthy amounts of these carbohydrate sources in
ongoing weight loss. Atkins is not an all meat diet. Carbohydrates
are replaced with healthy green vegetables, and lower glycemic
fruits can eventually be added back (blueberries, strawberries, etc).

CM

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Old March 16th, 2004, 01:55 PM
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"Mark D." wrote in message
...
"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Diarmid Logan" wrote in message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'


I prefer: Help families with overweight children learn to eat better and

get
more excercise.

Jeff's rules of food:

1) No arguements at the dinner table. ((s)he who starts and arguement

leaves
the table).

2) No mentioning how much or how little one eats at the table.

3) All food is eaten and all drink (except water) is drunk in

designated
areas (e.g., kitchen, dining room table).

4) No food in front of the TV/computer.

5) Only two hours of recreational computer, TV and video game use per

day,
combined.

6) Little unhealthy food is brought into the house (unhealthy food

includes
chips, cookies, cake)

7) When you can walk, you walk (e.g., if the grocery store is two blocks
away, you walk, not ride.

8) The family goes to the park, church, etc., together.
Jeff


Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...(*)


Actually, these work, if you do them.

Do you have a better idea?

J

M.

(*) Where some people even have *spell-checkers*...




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Old March 16th, 2004, 02:11 PM
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My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not
fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up
for the lack of carbohydrates.


Well, that is that funny thing about low-carb diet - there is no lack of
carbohydrates. Carbohydrates generally have opposite effect to satiety -
they make you more hungry, at least in longer term. Add too that
hunger-control effects of ketosis - and you have low-calorie diet.
Sometimes, when temporarily out of it, I believe I can even feel the
moment when ketosis kicks in again - I start feeling little bit hungry
(low blood sugar), then I feel little bit strange for a minute or two
and suddenly hunger is away and I feel a boost of energy (body starts to
converting fat to glucose and ketones). Of course, could be just my
imagination

Believe, after 4 months on LC, I have actually to watch my protein
intake not be too LOW (I aim to 1g/kg).

The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-| People should be

encouraged
to eat more fruit and vegetables - not to replace them with animal

fat.

Yes, and there is another strange effect of low-carb diet - once you cut
out high-carb stuff, you will likely eat much more vegetables - it is
like high-carb affects your eating habits in two bad directions - you
eat too much and you do not have room for veggies, as high-carb stuff
takes their place.

Mirek


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Old March 16th, 2004, 04:01 PM
Doug Freyburger
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Tim Tyler wrote:
Mark D. wrote:

When a diet is described as "high in fat", it usually means the
*percentage* of fat in the diet is high.
It's the same with high protein diets.


Right.

Atkins is a low carb diet - so it is high in fats and proteins -
at least as far as the percentages go.


Wrong. You seriously need to actually read the book so you know what
foods are supposed to be eaten. And you need to do that before you
blather on further misrepresenting what the Atkins process is.

Problem is, Tim, that Atkins is then criticised for being a 'dangerously'
high-fat or 'worryingly' high-protein diet -- even though the *absolute
amounts of these food-types consumed* may actually be *lower* for an
appetite-suppressed Atkins dieter than for the sugar-crazed carb-junkie
sitting next to them.


It depends on how you define "high fat". If you define "high fat"
in terms of high caloric intake, Atkins forbids over eating once the
initial carb cravings of the first week are gone. So Atkins is not
high fat in that sense because it's forbidden to eat enough to
acheive that. If you define "high fat" in terms of percentage of
the calories that are actually eaten, once you've read all 4 editions
of the book to see what foods are mandated, you will understand that
Atkins is indeed high fat by that definition. But words like
dangerously and worryingly are scaremongering falsehoods when you
get to the actual facts.

My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not
fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up
for the lack of carbohydrates.


You seriously need to read the book before you blather on in further
misrepresentation of what Atkins actually is. Atkins controls carbs
and that isn't the same as restricting them. Atkins also controls
fat and protein by forbidding over eating.

You're a *bright guy*, Tim -- so *why* do you keep selling out to the Dark
Side on this matter? What issues do you have with this? Seriously. There
*has to be a reason* why you stop making sense whenever this stuff crops
up...


The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-|


Unless you're honest. Tim you really need to stop misrepresenting
what Atkins actually is. Before you post further on a topic you are
ignorant about, you need to read at least one edition of the book.
Doctor Atkins (New) Diet Revolution 1972, 1993, 199 or 2002. They
are at every public library.

People should be encouraged to eat more fruit and vegetables


Oh, you mean Atkins then. Right. The plan that has mandatory veggies
from day one to the point where the vast majority of At-kids eat far
more veggies after starting than they did in their entire lives before
starting. Gotcha. Tim, get some honesty man. Read the book and
stop the misrepresentations.

A lie is when someone tells a falsehood that they know is false. A
mistake is when someone tells a falsehood that they beleive to be
true. Read the book, Tim, and stop the mistakes. Because now you
have been told so from here on out if you continue to misrepresent
what Atkins actualyl is, you'll be lying.
 




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