My Progress

"MU" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 May 2009 01:39:04 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote:

"MU" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 May 2009 00:09:29 -0500, MM wrote:

Because there is no way legitimate way

lol
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Why don't you just answer the reasonable questions asked? Why give a
troll
reply?

Why ask a stupid question? M and Ms has claimed he no longer wishes to
correspond so why should I?

No question is a stupid question when asked in sincerity. If you had any
real sense you would know that.


duh is simple even for simpletons.
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On Tue, 5 May 2009 01:38:05 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote
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This whole P2 diet is absurd. It's just another diet
among so many others out there that fail because people can't or wont
stick
to them.

Yes, it is obvious that 2 pounds of any food in any any person of any
height
and any activity level will not give the same results. It is also obvious
that no diet is 100% successful. That is likely the reason all Chung's
claimed data (if it really exists) has never been present for peer
review.



If his diet actually worked as he claimed, it would be well known by now and
peer reviewed. He reminds me of those fanatics some time back pounding the
grapefruit and cabbage soup diets. So far, from the online research I've
done, the low-carb diet is the most successful diet out there. The problem
is, like most diets, most people will not, or cannot stick to it long term.
The 2PD diet is absurd since the caloric count varies so much from one food
to another and there are too many variables in people's lives for it to be
effective for all.

"MU" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 May 2009 01:38:05 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote:

"MM" wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 May 2009 22:18:02 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote
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Why do you refuse to answer the question of how 2 lbs would work for a
6'2"
man as well as a 5'2" woman and for those doing manual labor as well as
those bedridden.

Because there is no way legitimate way to answer the question because
the
idea that is would work the same is absurd and better to be evasive and
hurl
personal insults.

MU tends to parrot Chung when it comes to the 2PD

I can see the parroting and personal attacks instead of reasonable and
sensible answers. This whole P2 diet is absurd. It's just another diet
among so many others out there that fail because people can't or wont
stick
to them.

I know of no one who has failed on the 2PD.

How many people do you know personally who tried this diet? What are their
ages, heights, activity levels and sex? Where are their records to check
for ourselves? What Hospital's diet research Lab were they connected to?
Why is there nothing online, on TV or on the News about this diet and this
group of people? What exactly did the 2 lbs consist of? Anecdotes don't
count. Anyone can make any claims they want and they do. That proves
nothing. Just look at some of the claims the alternative health nuts come up
with. All their magical cures for cancer etc.

I asked at work this past week, and many people work in my office. Not one
even heard of Chung's 2PD diet so how is it you know all these people who
tried it and succeeded? Not only that, but you can't tell us if they ate
burgers and fries or celery and lettuce. None of my relatives, neighbors or
friends heard of this diet either.

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"MU" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 May 2009 01:42:36 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote:

"MU" wrote in message
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And my support of the 2PD, Ms. Cheri, nice to hear from you.
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And you support this diet because........?

It works.

Let me guess. You were eating vast amounts of food, many pounds a day
before
you ran into Chung. Now you carry a scale with you 24/7 and make sure
you
don't eat more than 2 lbs of burgers and fries and chips and dips each
day.
Right?

Wrong.

I'm wrong? Then who weighs the food for you?

I do/did.


So you do carry a scale with you everywhere.


How many lbs of food were you
eating a day before you started to weight everything you ate?

Over 3 lbs on the average, rarely two pounds even with no breakfast.

Consisting of WHAT and what does the 2 lbs a day you now eat consist of?
And if you're not carrying a scale around to weigh everything you eat, how
do you know you only eat 2 lbs a day?



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On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:05:07 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote
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"MU" wrote in message
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Nope, no ChEErios but a fair amount of cheese, yes. Swiss, Colby,
motzarella, pastorio...

Wait, that last one is not cheese, just cheesy. lol
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So then you're claiming you lose weight whether you consume 1200 calories a
day or 6000 a day. LOL!!!!!


Yes, that is the blatant absurdity of it. I think you are suppose to use
snake oil for cooking.

On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:23:25 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote
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"MM" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 May 2009 01:39:04 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote
(in article ):

Why don't you just answer the reasonable questions asked? Why give a
troll
reply?

Because that is what trolls do. Some trolls are much more clever than
others.


I notice he and Chung never give a straight direct answer to anyone asking a
legitimate question. Chung starts the preaching god mania bull**** and MU
gives 2 word replies that say nothing helpful. I still can't get the
information out of them as to what the 2 lbs is supposed to consist of since
no one knows what this magical manna was that allegedly fell from heaven.


Chung and Mu are like Tweedledee and Tweedledum

On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:24:48 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote
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No question is a stupid question when asked in sincerity. If you had any
real sense you would know that.

Good point. But they tend to post stupid answers

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On 2009-05-07, L.B. Listmann wrote:

"MU" wrote in message
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Still, fact is, two pounds does impose an upper bound. The most
calorie-dense
foods are fats, at 9 kcal/g. So the most energy you can get from 900
grams
of food is 8100 kcal.

Yes.


So you're saying people, even short inactive women can lose weight at 8100
calories a day?

MU didn't write that, only the ``Yes''. I wrote the rest. My claim was that
there is an upper bound on the energy content in 900 grams of food. This was in
the context of an argument that food mass can serve as an adequate control
parameter, not that 8100 kcal is a good intake for fat loss. Please read
stuff in its proper context and reply to the proper person.

I did some research to see if there exist any statistics about the average
energy density of food. Here is one source. Check out the paper ``Dietary
Energy Density in Relation to Subsequent Changes of Weight and Waist
Circumference in European Men and Women''.

Quotes:

This population-based prospective cohort study included 89,432 participants
from five European countries with mean age 53 years (range: 20.78 years) at
baseline and were followed for an average of 6.5 years (range: 1.9.12.5
years).

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The overall mean ED was 1.7 kcal/g and higher in men (1.9 kcal/g) than in
women (1.6 kcal/g).

Look at that; women were found to be eating at a lower caloric density.

907 grams at 1.9 kcal/g is 1723 kcal.

907 grams at 1.6 kcal/g is 1451 kcal.

Two pounds of the stuff that constitutes the average intake appears to be in
the ballpark for safe, effective dieting, for both men and women.

On 2009-05-07, L.B. Listmann wrote:

"MU" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 May 2009 01:42:36 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote:
How many lbs of food were you
eating a day before you started to weight everything you ate?

Over 3 lbs on the average, rarely two pounds even with no breakfast.

Consisting of WHAT and what does the 2 lbs a day you now eat consist of?
And if you're not carrying a scale around to weigh everything you eat, how
do you know you only eat 2 lbs a day?

Are you stupid?

You can measure a quantity of food once a day, and only eat food from
that pre-measured parcel.

Doh?