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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:39:25 GMT, Barbara Hirsch
wrote: On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:20:31 -0400, "Patricia Heil" wrote: It's great at killing you. Many people have posted here that after trying starvation diets, it rebounded on them. Don't do it. Start an exercise program and learn to eat healthy. You don't read much do you? Jay Jay is one of the all-time exercisers in this group. I think you've got the wrong person Barbara. This isn't the "original" jay jay - it's a different poster. janice |
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"Anny Middon" wrote in message . com...
"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message ... that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or custom designed exercise plans. Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits. pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods wisely throughout the day. |
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"Anny Middon" wrote in message . com...
"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message ... that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or custom designed exercise plans. Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits. pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods wisely throughout the day. |
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"Heywood Mogroot" wrote in message om... "Anny Middon" wrote in message . com... "Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message ... that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or custom designed exercise plans. Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits. pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods wisely throughout the day. I did a VLCD and didn't "gain it all back and then some." The OP didn't seem like someone who is reasonable enough to be patient and wait 2 years to get to goal weight so in his case (morbidly obese), a VLCD could be a way to start the weight loss in *his* case. I don't necessarily recommend it for most people, but there exists a subset of people who can benefit from them. Try to remember your previous posts where you recognized that you were lucky to lose weight rather easily... Jenn |
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"Heywood Mogroot" wrote in message om... "Anny Middon" wrote in message . com... "Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message ... that you mix with water and drink a few times a day. You will lose weight nearly as fast as you would on a water-only fast, but the protein helps you retain muscle, and you will be medically supervised. In addition to the medical supervision, I believe you get some other support -- group sessions with others on the plan, for example, which may or may not appeal to you, or custom designed exercise plans. Plus the great thing about Optifast is that you get to gain it all back, and then some, since you didn't bother yourself with fixing the real problem, learning how to eat normal food within limits. pffft. Optifast is a scam. 1% of bodyweight/week oughtta be fast enough for everyone, and is easily doable by cutting out 20-30% of one's daily caloric intake, hardly noticeable if you choose your foods wisely throughout the day. I did a VLCD and didn't "gain it all back and then some." The OP didn't seem like someone who is reasonable enough to be patient and wait 2 years to get to goal weight so in his case (morbidly obese), a VLCD could be a way to start the weight loss in *his* case. I don't necessarily recommend it for most people, but there exists a subset of people who can benefit from them. Try to remember your previous posts where you recognized that you were lucky to lose weight rather easily... Jenn |
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Barbara Hirsch wrote in message . ..
Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate. Actually, there were studies done on starvation and weight loss ( as well as several of the weight-loss drugs promoted on Barbara's site) in concentration camps during W.W.II. Thousand of people were involved and the results were noted in meticulous German fashion. Thousands died during these studies and the poor health of the few survivors has been noted in several subsequent studies. This data was traded to American scientists at the end of the war in return for safe passage to Argentina for many of these Doctors. This data was then used to calculate minimum daily requirements (MDR) for vitamins and minerals posted by law on all food products. These studies were also used to calculate the dosages for the weight loss drugs when the Pharmaceutical Industry calculated that they could be marketed profitably. Ray Audette Author "NeanderThin" www.NeanderThin.com |
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Barbara Hirsch wrote in message . ..
Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate. Actually, there were studies done on starvation and weight loss ( as well as several of the weight-loss drugs promoted on Barbara's site) in concentration camps during W.W.II. Thousand of people were involved and the results were noted in meticulous German fashion. Thousands died during these studies and the poor health of the few survivors has been noted in several subsequent studies. This data was traded to American scientists at the end of the war in return for safe passage to Argentina for many of these Doctors. This data was then used to calculate minimum daily requirements (MDR) for vitamins and minerals posted by law on all food products. These studies were also used to calculate the dosages for the weight loss drugs when the Pharmaceutical Industry calculated that they could be marketed profitably. Ray Audette Author "NeanderThin" www.NeanderThin.com |
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If you were healthy it would probably be easier to withstand the
assault on your body. At 350 pounds, you're probably not in that category, and so more likely to have an adverse incident. Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate. I am actually completely healthy - heart rate and blood pressure etc are fine (much to my doctors surprise!). As for the comment about the dangers it cant be any more dangerous than being as overweight as I am now so its case of balancing risk and which may be the lesser of two evils. Jay |
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If you were healthy it would probably be easier to withstand the
assault on your body. At 350 pounds, you're probably not in that category, and so more likely to have an adverse incident. Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate. I am actually completely healthy - heart rate and blood pressure etc are fine (much to my doctors surprise!). As for the comment about the dangers it cant be any more dangerous than being as overweight as I am now so its case of balancing risk and which may be the lesser of two evils. Jay |
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"Jay" sales@*remove this bit*knickershop.co.uk wrote in message
... If you were healthy it would probably be easier to withstand the assault on your body. At 350 pounds, you're probably not in that category, and so more likely to have an adverse incident. Since there are no studies on starvation as a weight loss tool, there are no statistics on the morbidity and fatality rate. I am actually completely healthy - heart rate and blood pressure etc are fine (much to my doctors surprise!). As for the comment about the dangers it cant be any more dangerous than being as overweight as I am now so its case of balancing risk and which may be the lesser of two evils. Jay As I mentioned in an earlier post to you, you are missing the "in between." Things don't have to be so drastic -- i.e. it's one way or another (dangerously overweight or dangerously fasting). The "in between" is changing your eating habits and getting more daily exercise (not killer exercise, just getting your body moving more). This is a common trap for those over 100 lbs -- the all or nothing viewpoint. I know because I struggled with it myself. What's wrong with changing your eating habits, which you haven't mentioned except for saying you want to eliminate eating altogether? Getting rid of the foods that are most troubling will help you more than you can imagine. It doesn't have to be feast or famine. Removing the drama from food issues is very helpful and goes a long way toward weight loss and maintenance. Mary M 325-154-148 |
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