'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

"Jeff" wrote in message news:c36t9k$hl1@library1.

Actually, these work, if you do them.

Plenty of things 'work if you do them'. So what?

Do you have a better idea?

Damn right.

See if you can guess what it involves.

M.

Tim Tyler wrote in message ...
Doug Freyburger wrote or quoted:

A lie is when someone tells a falsehood that they know is false.
A mistake is when someone tells a falsehood that they beleive to be
Read the book, Tim, and stop the mistakes. Because now you
have been told so from here on out if you continue to misrepresent
what Atkins actualyl is, you'll be lying.

Shanghai'd by the Atkins zombie hordes ;-)

Don't take it from me:

Take it from null and void sources...


``[Dr. Atkins' dietetic revolution: a critique]

[...]

The diet, though far from good, is better than the book. ATKINS'
theories are at best half-truths, and the results he claims lack
credibility. The obese subject's disappointment with traditional
reducing diets and the book's hard-sell style account for ATKINS'
success.''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=897645

So you think quotes of somebody's opinion are proof of anything?
I guess insulin and glucagon must be "half truths" and "lack
credibility".
What drivel.


...

...and this - on how well researched the diet has been:

``A randomized trial of a low-carbohydrate diet for obesity

Despite the popularity of the low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat
(Atkins) diet, no randomized, controlled trials have evaluated its
efficacy. [...]

The absence of a study surely means that the concept is wrong...in the
minds of uneducated lemmings. BTW, the low carb diet involves
consumption of high fibre vegetables. The only reason it is "high"
fat is that the percentage of calories from starch goes down together
with the total daily caloric intake. For insulin resistant people
starch goes primarily into fat accumulation at *any* level of
consumption over a few grams.

The low-carbohydrate diet produced a greater weight loss
(absolute difference, approximately 4 percent) than did the conventional
diet for the first six months, but the differences were not significant
at one year.

This must mean that the 56 pounds that I have lost during the last six
months will spontaneously start coming back in the next six. No
study could ever be wrong, right?

The low-carbohydrate diet was associated with a greater
improvement in some risk factors for coronary heart disease. Adherence
was poor and attrition was high in both groups.

It is too bad that so many people are addicted to starch. But that
has nothing to do with the validity of the concept of reducing starch
consumption. Funny how the low fat, high carb pushers all of the
suddent get picky about attrition rates.

Longer and larger
studies are required to determine the long-term safety and efficacy
of low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diets.''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=12761365

Your favourite content-free website makes yet another hilariously
absurd point.


Experiment on yourselves by all means - but don't claim afterwards
nobody warned you - and maybe hold off putting kids on the diet until
it has been better researched.

Anything you say. We all know that starch is such a vital nutrient
for life. After all people have been eating potatoes, white bread and
over a hundred pounds of sugar per annum for tens of thousands of
years...in the fantasy world of the demented sugar pushers.

JC Der Koenig wrote:

I've drank more than 2 gallons a day in the past (that's how I got up to 240
lbs), and I don't think I was affected by any growth hormones that were
administered to the cows.

n = 1

No way!

Marsha/Ohio

"Marsha" wrote in message
...
JC Der Koenig wrote:

I've drank more than 2 gallons a day in the past (that's how I got up to
240
lbs), and I don't think I was affected by any growth hormones that were
administered to the cows.

n = 1

No way!


Way!

Troll factor: 4 of 10

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
Please tell me that you've had your ovaries removed.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
OK. There are these little things called "calories" and when you put
foodsy-woodsy in your mouthy-poo it contains some of these calories.
They
won't hurt you if you don't get sicky-wicky.

Maybe ask Dr. Seus for more info.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no
low
fat
products etc.

High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat
too.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in
message
...
This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both
of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus
eit
is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all.

i

In article ,
Diarmid
Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose
weight
and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research,
said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites
and
keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer
and
I
am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC
Radio
5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed
a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese -
almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes
diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating
lots
of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting
carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did
not
eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that
is
why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the
basis
of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is
ideal
for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long
term,
they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an
early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a
residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the
diet
is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are
ill,
and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of
them
can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high
protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these
children
to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research
Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term
health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle
as
a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

Butter instead of oils, cream instead of milk, leave the fat on the meat
etc.. etc..

"Ryan Mitchley" wrote in message
. ..
Well, Atkins stresses vegetable (especially) and fruit intake in his books
(at least in his "age-defying" book - the only one I've read). He even
ranks
fruit and vegetables according to the ratio of antioxidants to
carbohydrates.

I think the "animal fat" part is misquoting his ideas somewhat (at least
the
parts I've read). He stresses omega-3 rich foods, fish, good oils, etc
quite
a lot. A fair amount is devoted to improving the HDL to LDL ratio. He
likes
eggs more than the medical establishment has traditionally thought
healthy.

I think the idea that the Atkins diet is a kind of rabid steak-eating
fetish
is rather inaccurate.

The basic ideas of restricting (especially refined) carbohydrates and
getting a healthy intake of good fats and sufficient protein seem pretty
well known. In combination with sufficient intake of vegetables
(primarily)
and fruits, this sounds like a fairly good eating plan (ignoring the
possibly significant issue of total calorie intake).

Ryan

Idiot factor: 10 of 10.

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Most of us probably aren't in danger of thinking too much.



"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
Troll factor: 4 of 10

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
Please tell me that you've had your ovaries removed.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
OK. There are these little things called "calories" and when you put
foodsy-woodsy in your mouthy-poo it contains some of these calories.
They
won't hurt you if you don't get sicky-wicky.

Maybe ask Dr. Seus for more info.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no
low
fat
products etc.

High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat
too.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in
message
...
This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where
both
of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus
eit
is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at
all.

i

In article ,
Diarmid
Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose
weight
and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research,
said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress
appetites
and
keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer
and
I
am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC
Radio
5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and
needed
a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in
school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese -
almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes
diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating
lots
of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting
carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people
did
not
eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but
that
is
why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the
basis
of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is
ideal
for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long
term,
they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an
early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children
on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a
residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says
the
diet
is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they
are
ill,
and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of
them
can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high
protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these
children
to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research
Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term
health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to
tackle
as
a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about
advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

I think the biggest problem is all the fat studies have been on people who eat a
lot of carbs. the combo is a very bad thing. mixing a lot of carbs and sugars I
don't think is any better then eating a lot of fat.
but I think if you want fat you need less carbs. most of the lower carb diets
point to this. but it will take research awhile to catch up.
everyone was paranoid about fat so we think it is this horrible monster. but all
those processed carbs and sugars are monsters too.
I do know even with consuming a lot of fruit I can still stay full eating fat
and protein. though I don't think I eat enough fat to get all my energy from it.
but if I eat breads i was hungry all of the time.
I remember when I was younger eating huge bowls of cereal and I was hungry two
hours later.

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I don't know if it contributed to my weight... I had a latte 2 days in a row
last month and I got a huge new cystic zit on my chin shortly after that.
That was the first time I've had a hard painful zit like that in a couple of
years. I have to remember to get soy lattes (if I am not allergic to soy
too!).

"Julianne" wrote in message
news:4vF5c.3537$F91.2103@lakeread05...
My understanding is that growth hormone, like insulin, will be completely
broken down by the digestive process which is why growth hormone (and
insulin) must be injected to bypass the normal digestion process. I don't
drink milk because of an allergy but I suspect that if I drank a gallon of
milk a day (and didn't lose my cookies), I would be hooge, too. I can't
speak to other hormones in milk because it never occurred to me to
investigate being that I don't drink enough of it to be concerned.

I prefer: Help families with overweight children learn to eat better and get
more excercise.

Jeff's rules of food:

1) No arguements at the dinner table. ((s)he who starts and arguement leaves
the table).

2) No mentioning how much or how little one eats at the table.

3) All food is eaten and all drink (except water) is drunk in designated
areas (e.g., kitchen, dining room table).

4) No food in front of the TV/computer.

5) Only two hours of recreational computer, TV and video game use per day,
combined.

6) Little unhealthy food is brought into the house (unhealthy food includes
chips, cookies, cake)

7) When you can walk, you walk (e.g., if the grocery store is two blocks
away, you walk, not ride.

8) The family goes to the park, church, etc., together.
Jeff


Those are very good rules. Not hard to do at all. They are good habits
and way of life, that can be carried onto adulthood, and then taught
to their own children. Good way to go.