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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Bob in CT" wrote I'm on low carb and eat a lot of vegetables and avoid sugars to the exent I can. I also eat some fruits that are low glycemic and high fiber. I'm also a low carb advocate. Sounds like you're more of a "low-sugar" or "low-glycemic" advocate, which is better, IMO. avoid sugars to the extent I can The cheap little "Shoppers' Guide" put out by Sugar Busters is a good source of info about low and high-glycemic goods, including brand names. If you avoid just a few very high glycemic fruits and vegetables (ripe bananas, pineapples, white potatoes, mangos, corn, beets and a few others) and watch your nutrition labels to avoid anything with over 3g of sugars listed, you can pretty easily avoid the sugars. You still have to watch those labels for artificial sweeteners, though, if, like me, you are trying to avoid the "sweet taste", not just the sugars. mack austin |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Mack"
Seems to me, one of the most egregious problems from the "low-carb" advocates is their lack of distinction between simple carbs, i.e. sugars, and complex carbs, i.e. fruits and vegetables. Low carbers are acutely aware of the differences between carbs. They use ketostix and blood glucose meters to measure the impact carbs have on their body. They know that fiber carbs have no effect on their body, and they do not count them. On the other hand, when it comes to either simple sugars or complex carbs, it only takes about 10-15 carbs in a meal to cause a measurable reaction. If people on Adkins could eat a couple of pieces of fruit a day without weight loss dramatically slowing or even stopping, they would. People don't like depriving themselves. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Sunshyne"
I wonder if they do more studies, including the long term affects on children doing it. A large number of elliptic children have been put on extreme high fat/low carb diets, and they stayed on them for more than a decade. And no health problems have turned up. On the other hand, the medical establishment has successfully encouraged the American people to reduce their consumption of fat, and the result has been obesity and diabetes rising to epidemic proportions. How could I have myself or children participate with the study. It would be interesting too to be involved in a study for those with Fibromyalia and low carbing. Fibromyalia is a warning sign for Syndrome X. And chance are you can reduce your Fibromyalia as well as enormously improve your health, by lowing your blood sugar level. The closer you can bring your morning blood sugar to 80, the better. But don't rely on studies to tell you what the best diet is. What you need to have is a feedback mechanism that would tell your if your diet is benefiting you. Now the traditional way people gage a diet is by how much weight they lose. But a lot of people are thin, and they still have high blood pressure or high cholesterol. Some diets cause muscles to waste. And frankly, waiting to lose weight takes a long time. For immediate feedback, I use a blood glucose meter. A blood glucose meter doesn't cost any more than bathroom scales. And you can test your blood glucose level after every meal, and find out if the meal was health or not (the less your blood sugar goes up the better). What I found out is the low carbers were right. And that a low carb diet was not enough to fully control my blood sugar. I have a strange problem called the dawn phenomena, that causes my blood sugar to start to rise at 5 am. And through continued experimentation, that getting up at 2 am and using a product called Relora (a cortisol blocker), fixes the problem (I feel like a brand new person). And if I hadn't used a blood glucose meter, my problem would have remained undiagnosed, and it would eventually cause me to become a diabetic. Anyway, you need to be able to monitor what is going on in your body, and adjust your diet for what works for you. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
I'm on low carb and eat a lot of vegetables and avoid sugars to the
exent I can. I also eat some fruits that are low glycemic and high fiber. I'm also a low carb advocate. Sounds like you're more of a "low-sugar" or "low-glycemic" advocate, which is better, IMO. avoid sugars to the extent I can The cheap little "Shoppers' Guide" put out by Sugar Busters is a good source of info about low and high-glycemic goods, including brand names. If you avoid just a few very high glycemic fruits and vegetables (ripe bananas, pineapples, white potatoes, mangos, corn, beets and a few others) and watch your nutrition labels to avoid anything with over 3g of sugars listed, you can pretty easily avoid the sugars. You still have to watch those labels for artificial sweeteners, though, if, like me, you are trying to avoid the "sweet taste", not just the sugars. Avoiding sugar is not enough. You need to avoid quickly absorbed starches too. Anyway, if you avoid everything with GI 25 (not that unreasonable), you will end with low-carb diet. There simply is not enough carbs in low-glycemic foods to get you over 100g carbs/day, "official" threshold for LC diet (if you do not intent to eat 10 pounds of vegetables of course BTW, I have no problem with "sweet taste" - I think that my LC choko-yougurt each evening helps me prevent my candy-cravings. YMMV. Mirek |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Mirek Fidler" wrote Avoiding sugar is not enough. You need to avoid quickly absorbed starches too. That is why I mentioned "white potatoes" as an example of a high-glycemic food you need to avoid. BTW, I have no problem with "sweet taste" - I think that my LC choko-yougurt each evening helps me prevent my candy-cravings. YMMV. You have to do what you have to do. But it has been my experience that making the transition from sweets to artificial sweets to no sweets eventually kills or greatly lessens the sweet cravings. If you could wean yourself off the artificial sweeteners and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste, eventually, you would not want the candy. In theory, at least. That might not work for you; I don't know. mack austin Mirek |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
If people on Adkins could eat a couple of pieces of fruit a day without weight loss dramatically slowing or even stopping, they would. People don't like depriving themselves. I eat up to 6 pieces of fruit a day and loose up too two pounds a week. about the only really carbs I usually eat. so it is possible. but I feel good when I eat fruit. but I also cycle 20 miles a day 5 days a week too. -- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
You have to do what you have to do. But it has been my experience
that making the transition from sweets to artificial sweets to no sweets eventually kills or greatly lessens the sweet cravings. If you could wean yourself off the artificial sweeteners and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste, eventually, you would not want the candy. In theory, at least. That might not work for you; I don't know. Well, actually I admit this approach is even better. But I am just a human Mirek |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
On 19 Mar 2004 03:34:54 GMT, Ignoramus21235
posted: In article , Mack wrote: You have to do what you have to do. But it has been my experience that making the transition from sweets to artificial sweets to no sweets eventually kills or greatly lessens the sweet cravings. If you could wean yourself off the artificial sweeteners and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste, eventually, you would not want the candy. In theory, at least. That might not work for you; I don't know. Works for me. No more candy cravings. I eat nothing sweetened. My theory is that good food does not need sweetening. Sure puts the kybosh on fruit and honey and so on. Fine foods in moderation. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Mack wrote:
Seems to me, one of the most egregious problems from the "low-carb" advocates is their lack of distinction between simple carbs, i.e. sugars, and complex carbs, i.e. fruits and vegetables. Unless you deal with nasty inconvenient hard work topics like truth, paying attention to the endless discussion of experienced low carbers teaching naive new low carbers, and shock of shocks actually reading the entire contents of a few of the well known low carb plan books, anyways. What rock did you crawl out from under that you missed simple basics like every single well known low carb plan without exception puts much focus on glycemic index? Heck, there's even Sugarbusters that focuses on complex vs simple carbs almost to the exclusion of restricting total carb intake. Thomas Edison said: "Most people miss opportunity because it is dressed in coveralls and looks like work." Mack, actually reading the books you attempt to discuss looks like work, but you really need to try it. You know. Pick up book, open to page one, read the table of contents. That sort of stuff that you clearly haven't done yet. There isn't a single book out there that lacks focus on glycemic index so it doesn't even matter *which* popular one you pick. Get with the program. Do your homework. If you want to object to low carbing, learn enough that you can actually do so on a basis of the facts. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
No, it definitely does not "put the kybosh" on fruit. I only avoid the
particularly high-glycemic fruits, like watermelon, ripe bananas, pineapples, raisins. It does put it on honey. Two very different things. Honey is an extremely high-glycemic food, like sugar. Sugared and artifically-sweetened food tastes -- at least to me -- dramatically sweeter than any fruit I eat. mack austin "Moosh" wrote in message ... On 19 Mar 2004 03:34:54 GMT, Ignoramus21235 posted: In article , Mack wrote: You have to do what you have to do. But it has been my experience that making the transition from sweets to artificial sweets to no sweets eventually kills or greatly lessens the sweet cravings. If you could wean yourself off the artificial sweeteners and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste, eventually, you would not want the candy. In theory, at least. That might not work for you; I don't know. Works for me. No more candy cravings. I eat nothing sweetened. My theory is that good food does not need sweetening. Sure puts the kybosh on fruit and honey and so on. Fine foods in moderation. |
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