Lose 7% Body Fat in less than 40 days???

Yes, it can be done according to Ron Brown.

Fairly recently, I read an article on http://www.bodyfatguide.com that
talks about an Advanced Fat Loss Program. It says that you can lose 1%
body fat in only 3 days. The article states that to prevent muscle
loss, you have to eat at least 33% of your daily energy output in Kcal.
The exercise recommended is only brisk walking for 1.5 to 2 hours a day
at 3.5 to 4.0 MPH. As far as diet composition goes, he recommends
sticking to whole natural foods.

Well, I'm going to do it. I'm currently at 14% fat. My goal is to get
to 7% body fat or so. Underfat is at 5% or below, so 7% is still above
that. Following what the article recommended, I plan to lose 1% body
fat every three days with 2 day breaks at maintenance in between each
1% reduction; This translates to about 1/2 inch reduction in the
waistline over three days. The projected time to goal is about 40 days
or so.

For exercise, I plan to briskly walk for at least 1 1/2 hours at an
average of 4 MPH with some inclines. Something I might wanna do as well
is a whole body workout with weights on one of the days off from fat
loss. I plan to eat 300 Kcal above maintenance on those days to
maintain muscle mass.

During this advanced program, my daily Kcal intake will hover at about
1,300 per day, or =20-33% of total daily energy (Kcal) output, in
order to create a negative energy balance for fat loss. I will eat at
maintenance Kcal levels on breaks in between except when weight
lifting.

My diet method will involve keeping sugar and other simple carbs low
for fat loss. I will focus mainly on vegetables, low glycemic fruits.
Complex carbs like whole grains are also recommended in moderation in
order to slowly release glucose into your blood. I plan to take in at
least 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight. Some of this can be done
using Whey Protein powder.

Calorie Distribution for the program:

Breakfast: Meal Replacement Bar (210-290 Kcal)
Mid-Day Meal: 250 Kcal
Late Afternoon Meal: 250 Kcal
Dinner: 500 Kcal
96 oz. of water per day

To help me in my journey, I plan to supplement with the following
things to aid in fat loss:

To prevent muscle loss, I will take 5,000mg of Glutamine right after
waking up, 15,000mg of Glutamine right after exercise, and 5,000mg of
Glutamine before bed. Also, I may supplement with 40g of Whey Protein
2xday with meals at times particularly when weight lifting. To keep my
muscles tuned, I will take 5-10g or Creatine after exercise. Glutamine
increases muscle glycogen stores. It helps keep muscle mass maintained
during a Kcal-restricted diet.

For Growth Hormone And Testosterone support, I will take 50mg of Zinc,
100mg of Vitamin B6, and 1/3 TSP of Magnesium Glycinate (150mg
Elemental Magnesium). All of these will be taken together right before
bed.

To dispose glucose from my blood right before exercise in order to burn
fat during the exercise, I may take 6g Taurine right before the workout
along with 1,000mcg of Chromium Picolinate. These are insulin mimickers
and gets glucose out of your blood and into your cells so your body
will draw on fat stores more readily.

To suppress appetite, I will drink 16 oz. of Yerba Mate tea as needed.
Yerba Mate is an appetite reducer, thermogenic, and metabolic booster.
For extra energy/alertness/motivation, I will take in 3g of L-Tyrosine
w/ P5P on empty stomach.

On the whole, when this program is over and I get to goal, I will
simply eat at maintenance level Calories thereafter then to maintain my
new body fat %.

Anyway, what do you think of a plan like this? Would you ever try it if
you wanted to reduce fat quickly? Do you think it compares well to a
Ketogenic diet or something?

The body fat guide article that outlines principles of this plan can be
found he http://www.bodyfatguide.com/AcceleratedFatLoss.html

Run the numbers.

Suppose a 200# man is 14% BF; that's 28# fat.
Drop to 13%; that's 26 lbs, a loss of 2#.
You want this in three days, thus, 2 # fat loss in 3 days.
Do that for 7 days. 4 1/3 # fat.
At 3600 cals/lb fat, you'd have to eat absolutely nothing for 7 days, and
jog about 50 miles on the 7th day.
More-or-less.
Sounds like a plan.

Virtually every supplemental suggestion is bizarre.
B6, in as little as 25 mg doses, can cause peripheral neuropathy.
Glutamine is a key mediator in the biochemical "cell death" response.
Excessive zinc is now thought to have long-term toxicity.
Chromium picolinate is garbage, because picolinate is bogus, and likely
toxic. Cr Nicotinate is the preferred form. Picolinate is an
unmetabolizable isomer of nicotinate, unrecognized by the intended enzymes.
And, you don't burn fat *during* exercise.
Creatine can't be eliminated from the bloodstream, beyond 1% a day. You're
headed for what is likely a huge overload.

But I guess, iffin yer going to get it wrong, you might as well get it all
wrong.
Sounds like a plan.
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
wrote in message
ps.com...
Yes, it can be done according to Ron Brown.

Fairly recently, I read an article on http://www.bodyfatguide.com that
talks about an Advanced Fat Loss Program. It says that you can lose 1%
body fat in only 3 days. The article states that to prevent muscle
loss, you have to eat at least 33% of your daily energy output in Kcal.
The exercise recommended is only brisk walking for 1.5 to 2 hours a day
at 3.5 to 4.0 MPH. As far as diet composition goes, he recommends
sticking to whole natural foods.

Well, I'm going to do it. I'm currently at 14% fat. My goal is to get
to 7% body fat or so. Underfat is at 5% or below, so 7% is still above
that. Following what the article recommended, I plan to lose 1% body
fat every three days with 2 day breaks at maintenance in between each
1% reduction; This translates to about 1/2 inch reduction in the
waistline over three days. The projected time to goal is about 40 days
or so.

For exercise, I plan to briskly walk for at least 1 1/2 hours at an
average of 4 MPH with some inclines. Something I might wanna do as well
is a whole body workout with weights on one of the days off from fat
loss. I plan to eat 300 Kcal above maintenance on those days to
maintain muscle mass.

During this advanced program, my daily Kcal intake will hover at about
1,300 per day, or =20-33% of total daily energy (Kcal) output, in
order to create a negative energy balance for fat loss. I will eat at
maintenance Kcal levels on breaks in between except when weight
lifting.

My diet method will involve keeping sugar and other simple carbs low
for fat loss. I will focus mainly on vegetables, low glycemic fruits.
Complex carbs like whole grains are also recommended in moderation in
order to slowly release glucose into your blood. I plan to take in at
least 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight. Some of this can be done
using Whey Protein powder.

Calorie Distribution for the program:

Breakfast: Meal Replacement Bar (210-290 Kcal)
Mid-Day Meal: 250 Kcal
Late Afternoon Meal: 250 Kcal
Dinner: 500 Kcal
96 oz. of water per day

To help me in my journey, I plan to supplement with the following
things to aid in fat loss:

To prevent muscle loss, I will take 5,000mg of Glutamine right after
waking up, 15,000mg of Glutamine right after exercise, and 5,000mg of
Glutamine before bed. Also, I may supplement with 40g of Whey Protein
2xday with meals at times particularly when weight lifting. To keep my
muscles tuned, I will take 5-10g or Creatine after exercise. Glutamine
increases muscle glycogen stores. It helps keep muscle mass maintained
during a Kcal-restricted diet.

For Growth Hormone And Testosterone support, I will take 50mg of Zinc,
100mg of Vitamin B6, and 1/3 TSP of Magnesium Glycinate (150mg
Elemental Magnesium). All of these will be taken together right before
bed.

To dispose glucose from my blood right before exercise in order to burn
fat during the exercise, I may take 6g Taurine right before the workout
along with 1,000mcg of Chromium Picolinate. These are insulin mimickers
and gets glucose out of your blood and into your cells so your body
will draw on fat stores more readily.

To suppress appetite, I will drink 16 oz. of Yerba Mate tea as needed.
Yerba Mate is an appetite reducer, thermogenic, and metabolic booster.
For extra energy/alertness/motivation, I will take in 3g of L-Tyrosine
w/ P5P on empty stomach.

On the whole, when this program is over and I get to goal, I will
simply eat at maintenance level Calories thereafter then to maintain my
new body fat %.

Anyway, what do you think of a plan like this? Would you ever try it if
you wanted to reduce fat quickly? Do you think it compares well to a
Ketogenic diet or something?

The body fat guide article that outlines principles of this plan can be
found he http://www.bodyfatguide.com/AcceleratedFatLoss.html

Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
Run the numbers.

Suppose a 200# man is 14% BF; that's 28# fat.
Drop to 13%; that's 26 lbs, a loss of 2#.
You want this in three days, thus, 2 # fat loss in 3 days.
Do that for 7 days. 4 1/3 # fat.
At 3600 cals/lb fat, you'd have to eat absolutely nothing for 7 days,
and jog about 50 miles on the 7th day.
More-or-less.
Sounds like a plan.

Depends where you're starting from. If I tried that, starting from me
weighing 74kg (hence needing to lose less weight for 1% body fat) and with
maintenance being about 4,000 calories (due to rowing), I'd find it
unpleasant but possible; I'd just have to eat about 1,500 calories a day.

Of course, I wouldn't want to try to keep losing weight at that rate, and if
you read what the guy writes he isn't trying to either.

I don't know what he's thinking with all the supplement crap, in any case I
don't need to be producing expensive urine.

Peter

Yeah, Ig, I noticed in you a cupla health places--yer one of these
multifacted dudes, huh?

Let's tell'em the real fitness deal: Start settin up a shop, 'n' you don't
need no gym!!
Especially iffin yer digging at all, or pouring concrete!!
I gather yer in Rotary heaven. I'm wating for you to discover VFDs, so's I
kin pick yer brain!!
Best,
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
"Ignoramus15893" wrote in message
.. .
Hey PV'd, nice to see you...

i
not making chips at this moment

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:29:51 -0400, Proctologically Violated©®
wrote:
Run the numbers.

Suppose a 200# man is 14% BF; that's 28# fat.
Drop to 13%; that's 26 lbs, a loss of 2#.
You want this in three days, thus, 2 # fat loss in 3 days.
Do that for 7 days. 4 1/3 # fat.
At 3600 cals/lb fat, you'd have to eat absolutely nothing for 7 days, and
jog about 50 miles on the 7th day.
More-or-less.
Sounds like a plan.

Virtually every supplemental suggestion is bizarre.
B6, in as little as 25 mg doses, can cause peripheral neuropathy.
Glutamine is a key mediator in the biochemical "cell death" response.
Excessive zinc is now thought to have long-term toxicity.
Chromium picolinate is garbage, because picolinate is bogus, and likely
toxic. Cr Nicotinate is the preferred form. Picolinate is an
unmetabolizable isomer of nicotinate, unrecognized by the intended
enzymes.
And, you don't burn fat *during* exercise.
Creatine can't be eliminated from the bloodstream, beyond 1% a day.
You're
headed for what is likely a huge overload.

But I guess, iffin yer going to get it wrong, you might as well get it
all
wrong.
Sounds like a plan.
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
wrote in message
ps.com...
Yes, it can be done according to Ron Brown.

Fairly recently, I read an article on http://www.bodyfatguide.com that
talks about an Advanced Fat Loss Program. It says that you can lose 1%
body fat in only 3 days. The article states that to prevent muscle
loss, you have to eat at least 33% of your daily energy output in Kcal.
The exercise recommended is only brisk walking for 1.5 to 2 hours a day
at 3.5 to 4.0 MPH. As far as diet composition goes, he recommends
sticking to whole natural foods.

Well, I'm going to do it. I'm currently at 14% fat. My goal is to get
to 7% body fat or so. Underfat is at 5% or below, so 7% is still above
that. Following what the article recommended, I plan to lose 1% body
fat every three days with 2 day breaks at maintenance in between each
1% reduction; This translates to about 1/2 inch reduction in the
waistline over three days. The projected time to goal is about 40 days
or so.

For exercise, I plan to briskly walk for at least 1 1/2 hours at an
average of 4 MPH with some inclines. Something I might wanna do as well
is a whole body workout with weights on one of the days off from fat
loss. I plan to eat 300 Kcal above maintenance on those days to
maintain muscle mass.

During this advanced program, my daily Kcal intake will hover at about
1,300 per day, or =20-33% of total daily energy (Kcal) output, in
order to create a negative energy balance for fat loss. I will eat at
maintenance Kcal levels on breaks in between except when weight
lifting.

My diet method will involve keeping sugar and other simple carbs low
for fat loss. I will focus mainly on vegetables, low glycemic fruits.
Complex carbs like whole grains are also recommended in moderation in
order to slowly release glucose into your blood. I plan to take in at
least 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight. Some of this can be done
using Whey Protein powder.

Calorie Distribution for the program:

Breakfast: Meal Replacement Bar (210-290 Kcal)
Mid-Day Meal: 250 Kcal
Late Afternoon Meal: 250 Kcal
Dinner: 500 Kcal
96 oz. of water per day

To help me in my journey, I plan to supplement with the following
things to aid in fat loss:

To prevent muscle loss, I will take 5,000mg of Glutamine right after
waking up, 15,000mg of Glutamine right after exercise, and 5,000mg of
Glutamine before bed. Also, I may supplement with 40g of Whey Protein
2xday with meals at times particularly when weight lifting. To keep my
muscles tuned, I will take 5-10g or Creatine after exercise. Glutamine
increases muscle glycogen stores. It helps keep muscle mass maintained
during a Kcal-restricted diet.

For Growth Hormone And Testosterone support, I will take 50mg of Zinc,
100mg of Vitamin B6, and 1/3 TSP of Magnesium Glycinate (150mg
Elemental Magnesium). All of these will be taken together right before
bed.

To dispose glucose from my blood right before exercise in order to burn
fat during the exercise, I may take 6g Taurine right before the workout
along with 1,000mcg of Chromium Picolinate. These are insulin mimickers
and gets glucose out of your blood and into your cells so your body
will draw on fat stores more readily.

To suppress appetite, I will drink 16 oz. of Yerba Mate tea as needed.
Yerba Mate is an appetite reducer, thermogenic, and metabolic booster.
For extra energy/alertness/motivation, I will take in 3g of L-Tyrosine
w/ P5P on empty stomach.

On the whole, when this program is over and I get to goal, I will
simply eat at maintenance level Calories thereafter then to maintain my
new body fat %.

Anyway, what do you think of a plan like this? Would you ever try it if
you wanted to reduce fat quickly? Do you think it compares well to a
Ketogenic diet or something?

The body fat guide article that outlines principles of this plan can be
found he http://www.bodyfatguide.com/AcceleratedFatLoss.html





--
223/175.3/180

Very expensive urine!
New (as in pre-owned) kidneys aren't cheap, either.
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
"Peter Allen" wrote in message
...
Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
Run the numbers.

Suppose a 200# man is 14% BF; that's 28# fat.
Drop to 13%; that's 26 lbs, a loss of 2#.
You want this in three days, thus, 2 # fat loss in 3 days.
Do that for 7 days. 4 1/3 # fat.
At 3600 cals/lb fat, you'd have to eat absolutely nothing for 7 days,
and jog about 50 miles on the 7th day.
More-or-less.
Sounds like a plan.

Depends where you're starting from. If I tried that, starting from me
weighing 74kg (hence needing to lose less weight for 1% body fat) and with
maintenance being about 4,000 calories (due to rowing), I'd find it
unpleasant but possible; I'd just have to eat about 1,500 calories a day.

Of course, I wouldn't want to try to keep losing weight at that rate, and
if you read what the guy writes he isn't trying to either.

I don't know what he's thinking with all the supplement crap, in any case
I don't need to be producing expensive urine.

Peter

Seriously though, I was thinking of giving this type of program a
whirl. If I can't stand it, and it gets too hard, I will go with the
conventional method of fat loss (e.g. 1-2 lbs/week or something).
Here's one thing about Ron Brown's principles that kinda gets me. On
his site, he says that it's bad idea to crash diet (e.g. lose weight
real fast). Yet, he writes an article about how to lose 2 lbs in THREE
days! Even more, he wrote a separate article about how to lose 1 pound
a day!!! That's getting kinda full of manure.

The supplement recommendations were from other fitness sites, though.

Proctologically Violated=A9=AE wrote:
Run the numbers.

Suppose a 200# man is 14% BF; that's 28# fat.
Drop to 13%; that's 26 lbs, a loss of 2#.
You want this in three days, thus, 2 # fat loss in 3 days.
Do that for 7 days. 4 1/3 # fat.
At 3600 cals/lb fat, you'd have to eat absolutely nothing for 7 days, and
jog about 50 miles on the 7th day.
More-or-less.
Sounds like a plan.

Virtually every supplemental suggestion is bizarre.
B6, in as little as 25 mg doses, can cause peripheral neuropathy.
Glutamine is a key mediator in the biochemical "cell death" response.
Excessive zinc is now thought to have long-term toxicity.
Chromium picolinate is garbage, because picolinate is bogus, and likely
toxic. Cr Nicotinate is the preferred form. Picolinate is an
unmetabolizable isomer of nicotinate, unrecognized by the intended enzyme=
s=2E
And, you don't burn fat *during* exercise.
Creatine can't be eliminated from the bloodstream, beyond 1% a day. You're
headed for what is likely a huge overload.

But I guess, iffin yer going to get it wrong, you might as well get it all
wrong.
Sounds like a plan.
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
wrote in message
ps.com...
Yes, it can be done according to Ron Brown.

Fairly recently, I read an article on http://www.bodyfatguide.com that
talks about an Advanced Fat Loss Program. It says that you can lose 1%
body fat in only 3 days. The article states that to prevent muscle
loss, you have to eat at least 33% of your daily energy output in Kcal.
The exercise recommended is only brisk walking for 1.5 to 2 hours a day
at 3.5 to 4.0 MPH. As far as diet composition goes, he recommends
sticking to whole natural foods.

Well, I'm going to do it. I'm currently at 14% fat. My goal is to get
to 7% body fat or so. Underfat is at 5% or below, so 7% is still above
that. Following what the article recommended, I plan to lose 1% body
fat every three days with 2 day breaks at maintenance in between each
1% reduction; This translates to about 1/2 inch reduction in the
waistline over three days. The projected time to goal is about 40 days
or so.

For exercise, I plan to briskly walk for at least 1 1/2 hours at an
average of 4 MPH with some inclines. Something I might wanna do as well
is a whole body workout with weights on one of the days off from fat
loss. I plan to eat 300 Kcal above maintenance on those days to
maintain muscle mass.

During this advanced program, my daily Kcal intake will hover at about
1,300 per day, or =3D20-33% of total daily energy (Kcal) output, in
order to create a negative energy balance for fat loss. I will eat at
maintenance Kcal levels on breaks in between except when weight
lifting.

My diet method will involve keeping sugar and other simple carbs low
for fat loss. I will focus mainly on vegetables, low glycemic fruits.
Complex carbs like whole grains are also recommended in moderation in
order to slowly release glucose into your blood. I plan to take in at
least 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight. Some of this can be done
using Whey Protein powder.

Calorie Distribution for the program:

Breakfast: Meal Replacement Bar (210-290 Kcal)
Mid-Day Meal: 250 Kcal
Late Afternoon Meal: 250 Kcal
Dinner: 500 Kcal
96 oz. of water per day

To help me in my journey, I plan to supplement with the following
things to aid in fat loss:

To prevent muscle loss, I will take 5,000mg of Glutamine right after
waking up, 15,000mg of Glutamine right after exercise, and 5,000mg of
Glutamine before bed. Also, I may supplement with 40g of Whey Protein
2xday with meals at times particularly when weight lifting. To keep my
muscles tuned, I will take 5-10g or Creatine after exercise. Glutamine
increases muscle glycogen stores. It helps keep muscle mass maintained
during a Kcal-restricted diet.

For Growth Hormone And Testosterone support, I will take 50mg of Zinc,
100mg of Vitamin B6, and 1/3 TSP of Magnesium Glycinate (150mg
Elemental Magnesium). All of these will be taken together right before
bed.

To dispose glucose from my blood right before exercise in order to burn
fat during the exercise, I may take 6g Taurine right before the workout
along with 1,000mcg of Chromium Picolinate. These are insulin mimickers
and gets glucose out of your blood and into your cells so your body
will draw on fat stores more readily.

To suppress appetite, I will drink 16 oz. of Yerba Mate tea as needed.
Yerba Mate is an appetite reducer, thermogenic, and metabolic booster.
For extra energy/alertness/motivation, I will take in 3g of L-Tyrosine
w/ P5P on empty stomach.

On the whole, when this program is over and I get to goal, I will
simply eat at maintenance level Calories thereafter then to maintain my
new body fat %.

Anyway, what do you think of a plan like this? Would you ever try it if
you wanted to reduce fat quickly? Do you think it compares well to a
Ketogenic diet or something?

The body fat guide article that outlines principles of this plan can be
found he http://www.bodyfatguide.com/AcceleratedFatLoss.html

wrote:
Seriously though, I was thinking of giving this type of program a
whirl. If I can't stand it, and it gets too hard, I will go with the
conventional method of fat loss (e.g. 1-2 lbs/week or something).
Here's one thing about Ron Brown's principles that kinda gets me. On
his site, he says that it's bad idea to crash diet (e.g. lose weight
real fast). Yet, he writes an article about how to lose 2 lbs in THREE
days! Even more, he wrote a separate article about how to lose 1 pound
a day!!! That's getting kinda full of manure.

There are a few things you are missing the point on here...
Scale weight is not a good(actually poor)indicator of fatloss.
Pounds lost on the scale doesnt necessarily mean its fat you are
losing.
Dont eat any carbs for three days and you too can lose more than 2lbs,
but thats not true fatloss ...


joanne

On 2005-08-22, wrote:
Seriously though, I was thinking of giving this type of program a
whirl. If I can't stand it, and it gets too hard, I will go with the
conventional method of fat loss (e.g. 1-2 lbs/week or something).

Even 2lb/week is very ambitious (1000 cal/day). I recommend a reality check. I
suspect the first week will serve that purpose anyway. Your proposed exercise
regimen is pitiful, so you're relying mostly on a crash diet.

There's a reason that not everyone is 7% bodyfat. It's because getting that
lean is *hard*. It's not something that any 14% BF fatass can accomplish with a
week or two of crash dieting.

Why are you in such a hurry ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Only because picolinate mimics nicotinate as the *carrier* of chromium.

IIRC, "optimally-carried" Cr is actually a "coordination compound" of Cr
liganded to three niacin OR picolinate moieties, important for
absorption/transport.
Once that's done, they are cleaved, and the Cr is used as Cr (not well
understood), niacin is metabolized thru niacin pathways, and picolinate,
well, hangs around screwing up the works--likely as per the study you cited,
which btw, is not the only one suggesting damage caused by picolinate.

Yet, Cr picolinate is still hawked like there is no tomorrow, a travesty of
nutritional wisdom.
Cr Picolinate was actually a patented experimental compound, patented by the
USDA in the early '80s, and when sed patent expired, well you know the rest:
the marketeers went fukn wild.

Likely the USDA had an inkling this stuff was no good (from pure biochemical
principles, as niacin is a strict sterioisomer which in most cases can't be
utilized if you screw w/ the geometry), but also likely that because the
USDA had a hand in its formulation, the FDA never put the kibosh on the
hucksters. Assholes monitoring thieves.
And a gullible public, thru no fault of their own, falls for the hype,
expensive and toxic hype.

You can just as well take CrCl3 (inorganic Cr), but it is absorbed only 5%
as well as the nicotinate complex. Which is OK if it is 5% the price of the
good stuff.
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
"DZ" wrote in message
.. .
Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
Chromium picolinate is garbage, because picolinate is bogus, and
likely toxic. Cr Nicotinate is the preferred form. Picolinate is an
unmetabolizable isomer of nicotinate, unrecognized by the intended
enzymes.

It looks like picolinate might induce chromosomal damage while
nicotinate does not. (PMID: 8529845) http://tinyurl.com/7ssml

Unfortunately, Cr that have been shown to substantially extend life
span in rodents was only studied longevity-wise in the form of
picolinate.

Well, you know.

I don't think I will try that program after all. I looked at the
article more thoroughly, and that guy just seems to be full of hogwash
on all of that stuff. Later on, I found another article on this side
where he wrote on how to lose 1 lb of fat per DAY!! On this, he
recommends walking briskly on teadmill 8 HOURS a day and eating at a
3500 Calorie deficit! How much more ridiculous can this get? See, he's
against crash diets, yet he advocates this, though he's got disclaimers
on those articles. I didn't write that article on the internet. It was
by Ron Brown. I got his Body Fat Guide book a couple years ago, and it
seemed like his principles were ok, but after reading those on the
internet, I now question them. With the internet, you never know...

And do you really seriously mean that 14% is considered a fatass? Or
are you just joking? I thought it was at least in the normal range or
something as I'm at a normal body mass. Though, I personally feel that
the so-called normal body fat % ranges seems too high for me according
to my standards, so I could see why you think that. The wierd thing is
that Tanita considers up to 20% fat normal!

I don't think getting that lean is too hard (at least for me)
particularly when it's done at a slower steady pace. I've gotten down
to 8% fat a couple years ago w/o a problem but issues struck up and I
gained some back. I did it conventionally @ 1-2 lbs/week. That's the
way I will do it again. I'm not in such a hurry after all.